Comments on: The best science fiction movie of the year has a contradictory message http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/12/06/the-best-science-fiction-movie-of-the-year-has-a-contradictory-message/ Thu, 21 Jul 2016 07:57:19 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: BruceTutty http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/12/06/the-best-science-fiction-movie-of-the-year-has-a-contradictory-message/#comment-1124162 Wed, 16 Dec 2015 01:12:28 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=45179#comment-1124162 Expect software to improve over the next generation, to the point where a STEM education will be pointless. The Humanities will be vastly more important.

We should be pushing industrial design, expanding each person’s knowledge base, and using creative skills to improve our ability to innovate.

That’s what a technology driven society will need in an increasingly complex and changeable world.

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By: royalist http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/12/06/the-best-science-fiction-movie-of-the-year-has-a-contradictory-message/#comment-1123529 Sat, 12 Dec 2015 00:51:40 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=45179#comment-1123529 It is not true that “every human being has a basic instinct to help each other out”. Tell that to the Tutsi of Rwanda who were butchered by their neighbours. Or the White farmers of South African who are being murdered on a literally daily basis by gangs of Black thugs. Or the Christians and Yezidis in ISIL who are being crucified and murdered for not being Sunni Muslim.

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By: SurfaceRl http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/12/06/the-best-science-fiction-movie-of-the-year-has-a-contradictory-message/#comment-1123485 Fri, 11 Dec 2015 00:36:13 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=45179#comment-1123485 The article main subject is based on false dichotomy.

There is no actual reason why a welder cannot be a philosopher too.
There is no reason why a philosopher wouldn’t know how to weld.

There is no reason whatsoever why any of these or other groups of knowledge cannot be combined.

There is no reason whatsoever why any of these types of knowledge need to be pushed into extremes.

Obviously nobody can combine dozens or hundreds of different types of knowledge. especially if they are not complimentary. Obviously you need specialists too to deeply study and advance specific scientific or other branches of knowledge.

It is absolutely false that learning welding or any mechanical or technical knowledge would make anyone unable to learn anything else – if they have natural abilities and desire to learn.

You can have welder poets just like you can have warrior poets, regardless of how “less cool” that looks. (Being a warrior is not actually cool, btw. Its back breaking, soul crushing difficult.)

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By: DPM9 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/12/06/the-best-science-fiction-movie-of-the-year-has-a-contradictory-message/#comment-1123399 Thu, 10 Dec 2015 17:45:03 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=45179#comment-1123399 I think the real point of STEM is that native born Americans are losing interest in the hard path of science education. Thus STEM’s real goal is to limit the loss of technically educated Americans and has nothing to do with the relative merits of a technical versus liberal educations.

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By: WKTaylor http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/12/06/the-best-science-fiction-movie-of-the-year-has-a-contradictory-message/#comment-1123137 Wed, 09 Dec 2015 20:22:25 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=45179#comment-1123137 Folks…

The following line in your [noted] article triggered my memory of a quote from another science fiction book…

“Perhaps what we really need are not more high-tech workers, but broadly educated citizens flexible enough to adapt their learning to a variety of jobs and occupations…”

Robert A Heinlein, spoken by Lazarus Long in the Book “Time Enough For Love: Lives of Lazarus Long”…

A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.

Regards, WKTaylor

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By: zyanna http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/12/06/the-best-science-fiction-movie-of-the-year-has-a-contradictory-message/#comment-1123118 Wed, 09 Dec 2015 19:34:18 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=45179#comment-1123118 I disagree with the premise that science fiction is supposed to have a message or “show” what is needed. Originally, science fiction would attempt to raise questions, explore what-ifs, spark the imagination, and maybe disturb us along the way. Let’s try, in this polarized world, not to forget the value of those things.

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By: skellogg05 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/12/06/the-best-science-fiction-movie-of-the-year-has-a-contradictory-message/#comment-1123107 Wed, 09 Dec 2015 18:35:38 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=45179#comment-1123107 I agree with the need to have a basic understanding o multiple fields of study, but trying to master more than one field is risky. For example, I have a basic to intermediate knowledge of computer science, but focus more on networking and security. If I tried to master all the fields first, I would probably forget most of what I learned. the human brain can only retain a limited amount of data that can be recalled in the short term.

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By: gleverance http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/12/06/the-best-science-fiction-movie-of-the-year-has-a-contradictory-message/#comment-1123106 Wed, 09 Dec 2015 18:33:30 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=45179#comment-1123106 I think the reason that there is a significant push towards STEM education is that we have been going through a period where the liberal arts were the priority, now the U.S. has to import technology workers to meet industry demand. Yes, I think philosophy, literature, and other liberal arts topics are invaluable to producing balanced thinkers. At the same time, we still need more people who are technologically minded, especially as our world becomes more and more digitized.

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By: socialhermit http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/12/06/the-best-science-fiction-movie-of-the-year-has-a-contradictory-message/#comment-1122615 Tue, 08 Dec 2015 05:32:07 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=45179#comment-1122615 The continuously degraded ability for critical introspection and contemplation is bad for the soul, unless you want to remove that aspect for the further, more complete synthesis of mankind the technological animal, nurturing unchecked the instinctive qualities of the species we all love dearly such as greed, vanity, jealousy, fear and etc…
Besides:
STEM education translates to exploited working stiff the same as other occupations have through the generations. May as well also have the know-how to amuse yourself with real thought.

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By: Commentor4 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/12/06/the-best-science-fiction-movie-of-the-year-has-a-contradictory-message/#comment-1122563 Mon, 07 Dec 2015 23:01:18 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=45179#comment-1122563 The Enlightenment created systems of education rooted in a study of the Classics (and classical languages), of Philosophy; of mathematics and calculus and algebra, and the natural sciences. The majority of those persons who became scientists, inventors, or creative artists, made their contributions because of that educational system.

“Need more welders”? Sure. America so desperately needs the narrow, the bigoted and the chauvinistic. We must have those who think less and “do” more.

Right. Unfortunately, that appears to be where we’re headed.

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