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		<title>By: Diplowski</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/gregg-easterbrook/2011/03/15/japans-real-disaster/comment-page-2/#comment-2045</link>
		<dc:creator>Diplowski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Mar 2011 16:34:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some of the comments to this article show just how deep the American, and even worldwide, lack of understanding about radiation goes.  I guess it&#039;s a mix of leftover cold war paranoid and the fact that fear sells and a lot of people are buying in.

Just for a little perspective, Denver is sitting at about 35 CPM right now with a tendency to go up over 50 from time to time.  No city in Japan has reported over 19 CPM and radiation levels are [b]going down[/b].  

here&#039;s an informative article about what radiation is and how it&#039;s meanured for those interested

http://www.hps.org/publicinformation/ate/faqs/radiation.html

note the table that shows the various sources of exposure in mrem

the Fukushima plant is reported to be leaking about 1 mrem an hour [b]at the epicenter[/b].  That&#039;s about the same rate as commercial air travel.  Let&#039;s not forget that the radiation levels are at a small fraction of that at the edge of the evacuated zone.  Also, let&#039;s not forget that radiation does not travel, contaminated materials travel, and as irradiated dust travels it disperses in three dimensions.  While detectable the dust cloud from the reactors was hundreds of times lower in radiation than the 10 mrem EPA deems as safe for air in US cities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some of the comments to this article show just how deep the American, and even worldwide, lack of understanding about radiation goes.  I guess it&#8217;s a mix of leftover cold war paranoid and the fact that fear sells and a lot of people are buying in.</p>
<p>Just for a little perspective, Denver is sitting at about 35 CPM right now with a tendency to go up over 50 from time to time.  No city in Japan has reported over 19 CPM and radiation levels are [b]going down[/b].  </p>
<p>here&#8217;s an informative article about what radiation is and how it&#8217;s meanured for those interested</p>
<p><a href='http://www.hps.org/publicinformation/ate/faqs/radiation.html'>http://www.hps.org/publicinformation/ate &nbsp;/faqs/radiation.html</a></p>
<p>note the table that shows the various sources of exposure in mrem</p>
<p>the Fukushima plant is reported to be leaking about 1 mrem an hour [b]at the epicenter[/b].  That&#8217;s about the same rate as commercial air travel.  Let&#8217;s not forget that the radiation levels are at a small fraction of that at the edge of the evacuated zone.  Also, let&#8217;s not forget that radiation does not travel, contaminated materials travel, and as irradiated dust travels it disperses in three dimensions.  While detectable the dust cloud from the reactors was hundreds of times lower in radiation than the 10 mrem EPA deems as safe for air in US cities.</p>
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		<title>By: paintcan</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/gregg-easterbrook/2011/03/15/japans-real-disaster/comment-page-2/#comment-1995</link>
		<dc:creator>paintcan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Mar 2011 16:59:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those who express such faith in engineering and in Japanese engineers especially, seem to have forgotten the recent Toyota recall. 

And the more it costs to build the &quot;safest possible&quot; nuclear reactors also means those reactors may no longer be producing cheap electrical power. They may not be cost effective anymore.  

None of the reactors will last forever and the final disposal bill may well come when none of the countries who have them can afford to dismantle them safely. Those waste disposal sites will have to be every bit as safe and &quot;fool proof&quot; as the reactors themselves and they will have to devise a way of doing so that can effectively &quot;last forever&quot;. And all that care and expense will be spent producing nothing of practical use to the consumer. But those costs will also be passed onto the consumer or taxpayer. If the utility company that built them goes bankrupt - the bills will have to be paid by the governments. That is, if they are in any condition to pay them. 

If population growth alone were enough to ensure a happy and prosperous future, countries like India and China would have been the most magnificent and wealthiest countries on the planet for the last 1000 years. Instead they are developing countries with enormous numbers of extremely poor people. They both have deplorable environmental protections. There is no guarantee that the wealthier countries of today will remain that way, even 100 years from now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those who express such faith in engineering and in Japanese engineers especially, seem to have forgotten the recent Toyota recall. </p>
<p>And the more it costs to build the &#8220;safest possible&#8221; nuclear reactors also means those reactors may no longer be producing cheap electrical power. They may not be cost effective anymore.  </p>
<p>None of the reactors will last forever and the final disposal bill may well come when none of the countries who have them can afford to dismantle them safely. Those waste disposal sites will have to be every bit as safe and &#8220;fool proof&#8221; as the reactors themselves and they will have to devise a way of doing so that can effectively &#8220;last forever&#8221;. And all that care and expense will be spent producing nothing of practical use to the consumer. But those costs will also be passed onto the consumer or taxpayer. If the utility company that built them goes bankrupt &#8211; the bills will have to be paid by the governments. That is, if they are in any condition to pay them. </p>
<p>If population growth alone were enough to ensure a happy and prosperous future, countries like India and China would have been the most magnificent and wealthiest countries on the planet for the last 1000 years. Instead they are developing countries with enormous numbers of extremely poor people. They both have deplorable environmental protections. There is no guarantee that the wealthier countries of today will remain that way, even 100 years from now.</p>
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		<title>By: paintcan</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/gregg-easterbrook/2011/03/15/japans-real-disaster/comment-page-2/#comment-1990</link>
		<dc:creator>paintcan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Mar 2011 20:27:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those who express such faith in engineering and in Japanese engineers especially, seem to have forgotten the recent Toyota recall. Or was that a lie to boost domestic production?

And the more it costs to build the &quot;safest possible&quot; nuclear reactors also means those reactors may no longer be producing cheap electrical power. They may not be cost effective anymore.  

None of the reactors will last forever and the final disposal bill may well come when none of the countries who have them can afford to dismantle them safely. Those waste disposal sites will have to be every bit as safe and &quot;fool proof&quot; as the reactors themselves and they will have to devise a way of doing so that can effectively &quot;last forever&quot;. And all that care and expense will be spent producing nothing of practical use to the consumer. But those costs will also be passed onto the consumer or taxpayer. If the utility company that built them goes bankrupt - the bills will have to be paid by the governments. That is, if they are in any condition to pay them. 

If population growth alone were enough to ensure a happy and prosperous future, countries like India and China would have been the most magnificent and wealthiest countries on the planet for the last 1000 years. Instead they are developing countries with enormous numbers of extremely poor people. They both have deplorable environmental protections. There is no guarantee that the wealthier countries of today will remain that way, even 100 years from now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those who express such faith in engineering and in Japanese engineers especially, seem to have forgotten the recent Toyota recall. Or was that a lie to boost domestic production?</p>
<p>And the more it costs to build the &#8220;safest possible&#8221; nuclear reactors also means those reactors may no longer be producing cheap electrical power. They may not be cost effective anymore.  </p>
<p>None of the reactors will last forever and the final disposal bill may well come when none of the countries who have them can afford to dismantle them safely. Those waste disposal sites will have to be every bit as safe and &#8220;fool proof&#8221; as the reactors themselves and they will have to devise a way of doing so that can effectively &#8220;last forever&#8221;. And all that care and expense will be spent producing nothing of practical use to the consumer. But those costs will also be passed onto the consumer or taxpayer. If the utility company that built them goes bankrupt &#8211; the bills will have to be paid by the governments. That is, if they are in any condition to pay them. </p>
<p>If population growth alone were enough to ensure a happy and prosperous future, countries like India and China would have been the most magnificent and wealthiest countries on the planet for the last 1000 years. Instead they are developing countries with enormous numbers of extremely poor people. They both have deplorable environmental protections. There is no guarantee that the wealthier countries of today will remain that way, even 100 years from now.</p>
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		<title>By: bhans</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/gregg-easterbrook/2011/03/15/japans-real-disaster/comment-page-1/#comment-1973</link>
		<dc:creator>bhans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Mar 2011 20:29:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a very good article. It is time the US accepted that the Japanese scientists indeed are experts, and quite capable of handling even severe disasters. After all, USA was first to expose Japan to nuclear disaster, so the CNN hypocrisy and provocative attitude towards Japan is shameful. Please let Japan keep their pride and honour and recognize their efforts to deal with the horrible earthquake/tsunami-disasters. Provide help, not insults.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a very good article. It is time the US accepted that the Japanese scientists indeed are experts, and quite capable of handling even severe disasters. After all, USA was first to expose Japan to nuclear disaster, so the CNN hypocrisy and provocative attitude towards Japan is shameful. Please let Japan keep their pride and honour and recognize their efforts to deal with the horrible earthquake/tsunami-disasters. Provide help, not insults.</p>
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		<title>By: Dahlia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dahlia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Mar 2011 18:38:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I was hoping to find more coverage on the victims of the tsunami and earthquake, it&#039;s gone back again to the nuclear issue. 

People, if immediate relief to help those stranded in Northern Japan aren&#039;t going to happen soon, you will be seeing way more dead bodies in the coming months due to starvation. Something that can be entirely preventable if the mass media would stop focusing so much on the nuclear threat and their hypotheses. 

BBC is perhaps the only place that minutely posts the pleas for help in the city of Minamisoma, where 71,000 are cut off from supplies (no food, no clean water, and no heat). Do your part and urge the mass media to bring more focus back to the victims at hand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I was hoping to find more coverage on the victims of the tsunami and earthquake, it&#8217;s gone back again to the nuclear issue. </p>
<p>People, if immediate relief to help those stranded in Northern Japan aren&#8217;t going to happen soon, you will be seeing way more dead bodies in the coming months due to starvation. Something that can be entirely preventable if the mass media would stop focusing so much on the nuclear threat and their hypotheses. </p>
<p>BBC is perhaps the only place that minutely posts the pleas for help in the city of Minamisoma, where 71,000 are cut off from supplies (no food, no clean water, and no heat). Do your part and urge the mass media to bring more focus back to the victims at hand.</p>
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		<title>By: RonaldHughes</title>
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		<dc:creator>RonaldHughes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Mar 2011 16:05:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RationalSkeptic sez: &quot;The points are well taken, but unfortunately you delve into Global Warming fantasy as part of your “proof” about the dangers of other energy sources. Upstate New York is shoveling out ten feet of Global Warming as we speak.&quot;

The increase in average global temperature results in increased evaporation from the oceans and increased energy in the atmosphere. And whatever goes up must come down. Global warming means more storms (hurricanes, typhoons, blizzards, snowstorms, rainfall) of greater magnitude and duration.

RationalSkeptic, you are unlikely to notice an increase average global temperature of a few degrees. But you are likely to notice the resulting climate changes, such as the record snowfall in upstate New York that you cite.

The scientists who are concerned about the effects of increasing CO2 in our atmosphere have been predicting adverse changes in climate for decades. Global warming does NOT mean more sunny days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RationalSkeptic sez: &#8220;The points are well taken, but unfortunately you delve into Global Warming fantasy as part of your “proof” about the dangers of other energy sources. Upstate New York is shoveling out ten feet of Global Warming as we speak.&#8221;</p>
<p>The increase in average global temperature results in increased evaporation from the oceans and increased energy in the atmosphere. And whatever goes up must come down. Global warming means more storms (hurricanes, typhoons, blizzards, snowstorms, rainfall) of greater magnitude and duration.</p>
<p>RationalSkeptic, you are unlikely to notice an increase average global temperature of a few degrees. But you are likely to notice the resulting climate changes, such as the record snowfall in upstate New York that you cite.</p>
<p>The scientists who are concerned about the effects of increasing CO2 in our atmosphere have been predicting adverse changes in climate for decades. Global warming does NOT mean more sunny days.</p>
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		<title>By: TheBWRexpert</title>
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		<dc:creator>TheBWRexpert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Mar 2011 10:38:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The nuclear units at Fukushima site 1 survived the 9.0 earthquake very well.  The tsunami took out the back-up diesel generators.  That could have been avoided by placing them on the hill behind the plant.  Unit 1 is 40 years old yet that &quot;old technology&quot; using isolation condensers was best-suited for this type of emergency.  I do not know if the isolation condensers survived the the earthquake and tsunami.  If not, they should have been designed stronger are/or place in a better location.  Adding sea water to the isolation condensers within the first 20 hours would have saved unit 1.  At that time about 20 gpm would have been enough (i.e., swimming pool pump) or the very low-tech bucket brigade.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The nuclear units at Fukushima site 1 survived the 9.0 earthquake very well.  The tsunami took out the back-up diesel generators.  That could have been avoided by placing them on the hill behind the plant.  Unit 1 is 40 years old yet that &#8220;old technology&#8221; using isolation condensers was best-suited for this type of emergency.  I do not know if the isolation condensers survived the the earthquake and tsunami.  If not, they should have been designed stronger are/or place in a better location.  Adding sea water to the isolation condensers within the first 20 hours would have saved unit 1.  At that time about 20 gpm would have been enough (i.e., swimming pool pump) or the very low-tech bucket brigade.</p>
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		<title>By: TheBWRexpert</title>
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		<dc:creator>TheBWRexpert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Mar 2011 10:23:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The eartquake and tsunami could not be avoided.  The &quot;nuclear tragedy&quot; was largely avoidable.  TEPCO failed to seek outside help early.  They made some bad decisions that made the situation at the plants much worse.  The gravest errors were caused by improper venting of the hydrogen from units 1 and 3 that resulted in the explosions.  It is easier to see from across the Pacific where we are not also dealing with the earthquake and tsunami.  That is precisely the reason that TEPCO should have asked for help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The eartquake and tsunami could not be avoided.  The &#8220;nuclear tragedy&#8221; was largely avoidable.  TEPCO failed to seek outside help early.  They made some bad decisions that made the situation at the plants much worse.  The gravest errors were caused by improper venting of the hydrogen from units 1 and 3 that resulted in the explosions.  It is easier to see from across the Pacific where we are not also dealing with the earthquake and tsunami.  That is precisely the reason that TEPCO should have asked for help.</p>
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		<title>By: paintcan</title>
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		<dc:creator>paintcan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Mar 2011 07:07:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ duke_budfester; I agreed with most of your comments but really - how difficult was it for the indigenous inhabitants of this country to plan for seven generations? They all tended to live in a timeless state without change (until the white man came) What tests or questions did they ask themselves to prove their assumptions about their future? What questions or proofs did they accept if their assumptions proved wrong? It could have been very easy to make assumptions to seven generations because every generation lived like all previous generations. 
And why would they settle for seven generations except that it is a convenient number? Why not five, ten or even one hundred?   The one-hundredth generation would not have looked vastly different that the first. 

I could never understand what those memory tress mentioned in the movie Avatar actually had to recall? It would have been a very repetitive recall</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ duke_budfester; I agreed with most of your comments but really &#8211; how difficult was it for the indigenous inhabitants of this country to plan for seven generations? They all tended to live in a timeless state without change (until the white man came) What tests or questions did they ask themselves to prove their assumptions about their future? What questions or proofs did they accept if their assumptions proved wrong? It could have been very easy to make assumptions to seven generations because every generation lived like all previous generations.<br />
And why would they settle for seven generations except that it is a convenient number? Why not five, ten or even one hundred?   The one-hundredth generation would not have looked vastly different that the first. </p>
<p>I could never understand what those memory tress mentioned in the movie Avatar actually had to recall? It would have been a very repetitive recall</p>
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		<title>By: Timeswimmer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timeswimmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Mar 2011 21:39:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...demolished and replaced with improved designs&quot;? It has been reported that Nuclear reactors in the US, have been built to withstand earthquakes...what a crock! Now it comes out that the ones in Japan were &quot;built to withstand 7.5 earthquakes...bigger than that and we see what happens!...According to a researched article in Mother Jones Magazine awhile back...ALL THE REACTORS BUILT IN AMERICA ARE ON KNOWN EARTHQUAKE FAULTS BECAUSE THE LAND WAS THE CHEAPEST! And now we see that the Tsunami caused the failure of the reactors, not the earthquake! In America, Nuclear waste is still being driven around the in long distance trucks, 24 hours a day...just waiting for an accident to happen! Why have an industry where the waste has to be turned into ammunition that has to be used to get it off the shelves where the military workers are exposed to its radiation? This simply means having to have more wars...and that only moves it off the shelves and into the bodies, soil and water of the &quot;enemies&quot; country where it makes the land unlivable for billions of years...talk about genocide! There are no &quot;enemies&quot; we are all one family, and the sooner that dawns on us all the sooner we will stop playing with disaster and turn to SOLAR POWER. All this article is saying is that it is alright for our brothers and sisters to die so some fat cat investor can make more profit without the expense of having to switch industries...PEOPLE FIRST! PROFITS LAST! SOLAR POWER NOW!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;demolished and replaced with improved designs&#8221;? It has been reported that Nuclear reactors in the US, have been built to withstand earthquakes&#8230;what a crock! Now it comes out that the ones in Japan were &#8220;built to withstand 7.5 earthquakes&#8230;bigger than that and we see what happens!&#8230;According to a researched article in Mother Jones Magazine awhile back&#8230;ALL THE REACTORS BUILT IN AMERICA ARE ON KNOWN EARTHQUAKE FAULTS BECAUSE THE LAND WAS THE CHEAPEST! And now we see that the Tsunami caused the failure of the reactors, not the earthquake! In America, Nuclear waste is still being driven around the in long distance trucks, 24 hours a day&#8230;just waiting for an accident to happen! Why have an industry where the waste has to be turned into ammunition that has to be used to get it off the shelves where the military workers are exposed to its radiation? This simply means having to have more wars&#8230;and that only moves it off the shelves and into the bodies, soil and water of the &#8220;enemies&#8221; country where it makes the land unlivable for billions of years&#8230;talk about genocide! There are no &#8220;enemies&#8221; we are all one family, and the sooner that dawns on us all the sooner we will stop playing with disaster and turn to SOLAR POWER. All this article is saying is that it is alright for our brothers and sisters to die so some fat cat investor can make more profit without the expense of having to switch industries&#8230;PEOPLE FIRST! PROFITS LAST! SOLAR POWER NOW!</p>
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