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	<title>Comments on: Rick Perry + Al Gore ≠ global warming logic</title>
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		<title>By: Chip_H</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chip_H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Dec 2011 10:52:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After working on Earth Day One, then the Environmental Policy Act, eventually becoming an EPA department head, before spending 15 years in computer programming after the environment had been cleaned up, and all that was left to do was baby-sit Superfund sites, the Dot.Con neutron bomb threw me back on the street, and I had to use my EPA-cred to crawl back inside the Eco-Temple. 

The young eco-acolytes were earnestly indignant that industry should survive at all, eager to twitter the latest environmental theory, and wag their fingers at how &#039;polluted everything is&#039;. My boss warned me in a hushed whisper these Next Gens had been programmed by academic ex-hippie druid rice-bowlers. So I got one of them aside, chatting about the old days when rivers were on fire, and lakes glowed in the dark, and cities were entirely invisible behind a choking blanket of thick smog. I wrapped by saying, &#039;You have no idea how good you have it now.&#039; 

She gave me a withering lecture on the &#039;looming disaster of global warming&#039; then sternly warned me, &#039;You need get an *attitude adjustment*.&#039; After that, all my work was side-lined and higher-reviewed, and &#039;returned for more study&#039;, which is how the rice-bowlers rob capital funds to feed their new hires and pensions operating budget. Study it to death, urgently, hypercritically, end-of-world-if-we-stop&#039;ly. The New Carbon Caliphate Taliban.

Wasn&#039;t that a line from Mao&#039;s Little Red Book? &#039;Attitude adjustment&#039;? Then didn&#039;t they starve 60 million elders?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After working on Earth Day One, then the Environmental Policy Act, eventually becoming an EPA department head, before spending 15 years in computer programming after the environment had been cleaned up, and all that was left to do was baby-sit Superfund sites, the Dot.Con neutron bomb threw me back on the street, and I had to use my EPA-cred to crawl back inside the Eco-Temple. </p>
<p>The young eco-acolytes were earnestly indignant that industry should survive at all, eager to twitter the latest environmental theory, and wag their fingers at how &#8216;polluted everything is&#8217;. My boss warned me in a hushed whisper these Next Gens had been programmed by academic ex-hippie druid rice-bowlers. So I got one of them aside, chatting about the old days when rivers were on fire, and lakes glowed in the dark, and cities were entirely invisible behind a choking blanket of thick smog. I wrapped by saying, &#8216;You have no idea how good you have it now.&#8217; </p>
<p>She gave me a withering lecture on the &#8216;looming disaster of global warming&#8217; then sternly warned me, &#8216;You need get an *attitude adjustment*.&#8217; After that, all my work was side-lined and higher-reviewed, and &#8216;returned for more study&#8217;, which is how the rice-bowlers rob capital funds to feed their new hires and pensions operating budget. Study it to death, urgently, hypercritically, end-of-world-if-we-stop&#8217;ly. The New Carbon Caliphate Taliban.</p>
<p>Wasn&#8217;t that a line from Mao&#8217;s Little Red Book? &#8216;Attitude adjustment&#8217;? Then didn&#8217;t they starve 60 million elders?</p>
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		<title>By: Nullcorp</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nullcorp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Dec 2011 01:38:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Edward Teller, who was 90 yards of age when the petition began.&quot; – ???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Edward Teller, who was 90 yards of age when the petition began.&#8221; – ???</p>
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		<title>By: GreenHearted</title>
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		<dc:creator>GreenHearted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Nov 2011 19:09:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Easterbrook,
With all due respect (I&#039;m new here), this line is horrifying:

&quot;If we can’t find the middle of a generation-long concern like climate change, one where modest steps are sufficient for the moment ....&quot;

You see, most people don&#039;t take the time to synthesize all the research (I suspect you&#039;re in this camp) and therefore most people don&#039;t realize that without a giant, radical leap to a zero-carbon economy as urgently and rapidly as possible (no time left for &quot;modest steps&quot;), we &quot;risk&quot; (risk = probability x magnitude of an event) runaway global warming (due to positive carbon feedbacks, which have already kicked in throughout the Arctic and in tropical peatlands) that has the potential of making this planet inhospitable to life. 

Why, in Earth&#039;s name - or in the name of all our children and future descendants - would we want to risk that with &quot;modest steps&quot;? Why are we so willing to perpetrate progenycide when moving to a safer, cleaner, healthier, more equitable and more peaceful perpetual-energy-based economy will be so exciting? So fruitful? So job-creating?

No, dear sir, this is no time for dancing modest steps in the middle. We need leaps and bounds toward a future that will sustain the &quot;bio&quot; (life) in our biosphere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Easterbrook,<br />
With all due respect (I&#8217;m new here), this line is horrifying:</p>
<p>&#8220;If we can’t find the middle of a generation-long concern like climate change, one where modest steps are sufficient for the moment &#8230;.&#8221;</p>
<p>You see, most people don&#8217;t take the time to synthesize all the research (I suspect you&#8217;re in this camp) and therefore most people don&#8217;t realize that without a giant, radical leap to a zero-carbon economy as urgently and rapidly as possible (no time left for &#8220;modest steps&#8221;), we &#8220;risk&#8221; (risk = probability x magnitude of an event) runaway global warming (due to positive carbon feedbacks, which have already kicked in throughout the Arctic and in tropical peatlands) that has the potential of making this planet inhospitable to life. </p>
<p>Why, in Earth&#8217;s name &#8211; or in the name of all our children and future descendants &#8211; would we want to risk that with &#8220;modest steps&#8221;? Why are we so willing to perpetrate progenycide when moving to a safer, cleaner, healthier, more equitable and more peaceful perpetual-energy-based economy will be so exciting? So fruitful? So job-creating?</p>
<p>No, dear sir, this is no time for dancing modest steps in the middle. We need leaps and bounds toward a future that will sustain the &#8220;bio&#8221; (life) in our biosphere.</p>
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		<title>By: AustinG</title>
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		<dc:creator>AustinG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2011 15:43:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sheep,

I don&#039;t really disagree with you.  Environmental law today seems be about controlling or punishing progress as much as it is about helping the environment.  Any objective analysis of our environment shows great improvements.  There is much less pollution today than there was 20 or 30 years ago despite the fact that populations have continued to grow.  Environmental law is often used to strongarm developers into doing things like using union labor.  The laws don&#039;t serve the environment, consumers, or producers so what purpose do they serve?  

JT,

Read the above.  Any objective measure shows pollution levels have lowered dramatically over the last few decades.  The latest satelite temperatures shows that we are currently 0.11 degrees above the average over the last 3 decades.  How are we not leaving behind a good environment for those that follow?  The climate has always changed.  There is no ideal temperature.  1,000 years ago it was warmer than it is today.  Yet mankind survived when it was much less equiped to deal with any kind of change.  There is a great deal of evidence that warmer would be better.  Certainly if you had to pick cooler or warmer you would pick warmer.  That is before you get into ALL of the unknowns you are talking about in regards to this issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sheep,</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t really disagree with you.  Environmental law today seems be about controlling or punishing progress as much as it is about helping the environment.  Any objective analysis of our environment shows great improvements.  There is much less pollution today than there was 20 or 30 years ago despite the fact that populations have continued to grow.  Environmental law is often used to strongarm developers into doing things like using union labor.  The laws don&#8217;t serve the environment, consumers, or producers so what purpose do they serve?  </p>
<p>JT,</p>
<p>Read the above.  Any objective measure shows pollution levels have lowered dramatically over the last few decades.  The latest satelite temperatures shows that we are currently 0.11 degrees above the average over the last 3 decades.  How are we not leaving behind a good environment for those that follow?  The climate has always changed.  There is no ideal temperature.  1,000 years ago it was warmer than it is today.  Yet mankind survived when it was much less equiped to deal with any kind of change.  There is a great deal of evidence that warmer would be better.  Certainly if you had to pick cooler or warmer you would pick warmer.  That is before you get into ALL of the unknowns you are talking about in regards to this issue.</p>
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		<title>By: OneOfTheSheep</title>
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		<dc:creator>OneOfTheSheep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Nov 2011 04:58:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AustinG,

I founded, ran, and sold a successful quick printing shop from 1977 to 1988.  A major reason I go out of that business was because of the ever more expansive definitions of &quot;hazardous waste&quot; and California law interpretations that would reach back and hold me responsible if the commercial disposers of same that I paid to handle it instead dumped it in some creek.  

I just did not see such unnecessary complications to my &quot;risk&quot; of doing business as acceptable in the long run.  There was NO statute of limitations on such risk.  OK?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AustinG,</p>
<p>I founded, ran, and sold a successful quick printing shop from 1977 to 1988.  A major reason I go out of that business was because of the ever more expansive definitions of &#8220;hazardous waste&#8221; and California law interpretations that would reach back and hold me responsible if the commercial disposers of same that I paid to handle it instead dumped it in some creek.  </p>
<p>I just did not see such unnecessary complications to my &#8220;risk&#8221; of doing business as acceptable in the long run.  There was NO statute of limitations on such risk.  OK?</p>
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		<title>By: JayVi</title>
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		<dc:creator>JayVi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Nov 2011 23:14:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I yearn for middle of the road leaders, with common sense and due regard for the scientific method.  They&#039;ve been AWOL for two decades now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I yearn for middle of the road leaders, with common sense and due regard for the scientific method.  They&#8217;ve been AWOL for two decades now.</p>
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		<title>By: JTand80007</title>
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		<dc:creator>JTand80007</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Nov 2011 20:07:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just because there are two sides to an issue does not mean that the moderate middle ground is the right course to take.  The imbalance of scientific opinion on the subject, combined with a prudent application of the precautionary principle, would say that we should consciously err on the side of cleaner energy.  The cumulative effect of the decisions we make from today forward will affect not just our grandchildren, but possibly the entire planet for the next several thousand years.  (See http://www.realclimate.org/images//NRCCumCarbonPlot.png )

Why are not conservatives the most cautious in this regard?  Why are we not more focused on maintaining the freedoms and choices of future generations, not to mention the property values of coastal landowners?  Where do we get the moral authority to change our descendant&#039;s climate by even one half of a degree?  If right wing Republicans (of which I count myself) thought about the issue this way, they might take a different course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just because there are two sides to an issue does not mean that the moderate middle ground is the right course to take.  The imbalance of scientific opinion on the subject, combined with a prudent application of the precautionary principle, would say that we should consciously err on the side of cleaner energy.  The cumulative effect of the decisions we make from today forward will affect not just our grandchildren, but possibly the entire planet for the next several thousand years.  (See <a href='http://www.realclimate.org/images//NRCCumCarbonPlot.png'>http://www.realclimate.org/images//NRCCu mCarbonPlot.png</a> )</p>
<p>Why are not conservatives the most cautious in this regard?  Why are we not more focused on maintaining the freedoms and choices of future generations, not to mention the property values of coastal landowners?  Where do we get the moral authority to change our descendant&#8217;s climate by even one half of a degree?  If right wing Republicans (of which I count myself) thought about the issue this way, they might take a different course.</p>
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		<title>By: nadie</title>
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		<dc:creator>nadie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Nov 2011 18:47:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More than &quot;Climate-gate&quot;, it is the IPCC&#039;s own publications which bring the science into doubt through their selective focus and cherry-picking.  The IPCC owes its continued existence to propogating extreme forecasts about human-induced climate change.  If there is no crisis, then 100s (maybe 1,000s) of government bureaucrats across many countries will find their jobs disappearing.

My personal view agrees in many respects with Mr. Easterbrook&#039;s.  Human induced climate change does exist and we (the U.S.) should develop revenue-neutral, market-drive methods of reducing our dependence upon fossil fuels.  That view makes sense for energy independence as well as climate change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More than &#8220;Climate-gate&#8221;, it is the IPCC&#8217;s own publications which bring the science into doubt through their selective focus and cherry-picking.  The IPCC owes its continued existence to propogating extreme forecasts about human-induced climate change.  If there is no crisis, then 100s (maybe 1,000s) of government bureaucrats across many countries will find their jobs disappearing.</p>
<p>My personal view agrees in many respects with Mr. Easterbrook&#8217;s.  Human induced climate change does exist and we (the U.S.) should develop revenue-neutral, market-drive methods of reducing our dependence upon fossil fuels.  That view makes sense for energy independence as well as climate change.</p>
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		<title>By: nadie</title>
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		<dc:creator>nadie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Nov 2011 18:38:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Al Gore was in the White House!?!  As a visiting VP only, thank goodness!  Usually, we only talk about Presidents being &quot;in the White House&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Al Gore was in the White House!?!  As a visiting VP only, thank goodness!  Usually, we only talk about Presidents being &#8220;in the White House&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: tblakeslee</title>
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		<dc:creator>tblakeslee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Nov 2011 15:31:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Instead of arguing about what is causing warming we should focus our efforts on finding a cheaper replacement for coal. Coal is the main source of CO2 and also a raft of expensive health problems.
We have a potential cheaper than coal solution but politics is holding back its development. The Department of Energy is spending zero $ on this solution but fortunately private money has succeeded in developing a million watt clean nuclear boiler that produces no radiation. The first unit was shipped to a customer last saturday. Instead of wasting trillions on oil wars we should get behind this important development. With fuel costs 1/1000th of coal it will be a no-brainer and we won&#039;t even have to talk about pollution or CO2.
Here is an article I wrote about this technology:
http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/rea/blog/post/2011/05/swedish-skeptics-confirm-nuclear-process-in-tiny-4-7-kw-reactor</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Instead of arguing about what is causing warming we should focus our efforts on finding a cheaper replacement for coal. Coal is the main source of CO2 and also a raft of expensive health problems.<br />
We have a potential cheaper than coal solution but politics is holding back its development. The Department of Energy is spending zero $ on this solution but fortunately private money has succeeded in developing a million watt clean nuclear boiler that produces no radiation. The first unit was shipped to a customer last saturday. Instead of wasting trillions on oil wars we should get behind this important development. With fuel costs 1/1000th of coal it will be a no-brainer and we won&#8217;t even have to talk about pollution or CO2.<br />
Here is an article I wrote about this technology:<br />
<a href='http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/rea/blog/post/2011/05/swedish-skeptics-confirm-nuclear-process-in-tiny-4-7-kw-reactor'>http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/rea/ blog/post/2011/05/swedish-skeptics-confi rm-nuclear-process-in-tiny-4-7-kw-reacto r</a></p>
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