Comments on: Cameron, UK hurt by Syria vote fiasco http://blogs.reuters.com/hugo-dixon/2013/08/30/cameron-uk-hurt-by-syria-vote-fiasco/ Mon, 18 Apr 2016 14:55:08 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: changeling http://blogs.reuters.com/hugo-dixon/2013/08/30/cameron-uk-hurt-by-syria-vote-fiasco/comment-page-1/#comment-704 Sun, 01 Sep 2013 20:12:13 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/hugo-dixon/?p=643#comment-704 I would not be at all surprised to see this “limited strike” on Assad turn quickly (perhaps simultaneously)into an all out bombardment of Iran’s nuclear program. Justified revulsion over the use of poison gas alone doesn’t overcome the likelihood of a retaliatory strike causing more harm than good in Syria’s civil war. What this strike will enable is a claim that Iran fired missiles at Israel in support of Assad. That’s all it will take, and in the heat of the moment there will be no need to substantiate Iran’s actions.

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By: ptiffany http://blogs.reuters.com/hugo-dixon/2013/08/30/cameron-uk-hurt-by-syria-vote-fiasco/comment-page-1/#comment-703 Sun, 01 Sep 2013 19:30:11 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/hugo-dixon/?p=643#comment-703 Except for nuclear bombs, all other bombs are “chemical”, all with horrendous results such as over 100,000 dead and hundreds of thousands of injuries to men, women and children in Syria. Why are nerve gas weapons worse?

This whole argument is beyond silly. Who cares about the President saving face with his repeated gaffes involving his “red lines”? Are we back to labeling our Commanders-in-Chief wimps because they’re not hawks, with knee-jerk commitment of our soldiers to lost causes?

It could be considered an act of heroism for the PotUS to initiate an action opposed by 90% of Americans and millions of others around the globe, including the “rebels” who would supposedly benefit, but actually expect Assad to get worse in his commitment to eradite his own citizens. They’re all terrorists! Right.

We have now progressed way beyond unwise and foolish, to one of the definitions of insanity: keep doing the same thing and expecting different results.

Then, many realize that there is a small group of very rich people who stand to gain significantly from every conflict around the globe and they bribe Members of Congress to see their will is done. It’s all about $ $ $ $

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By: SamuelReich http://blogs.reuters.com/hugo-dixon/2013/08/30/cameron-uk-hurt-by-syria-vote-fiasco/comment-page-1/#comment-702 Sun, 01 Sep 2013 02:18:01 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/hugo-dixon/?p=643#comment-702 Unless one need the strength of allies, to keep losses low a good leader will talk peace and surrender while mobilizing a attack in overwhelming force and suddenness. He will not inform the enemy of his plans.

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By: SamuelReich http://blogs.reuters.com/hugo-dixon/2013/08/30/cameron-uk-hurt-by-syria-vote-fiasco/comment-page-1/#comment-701 Sun, 01 Sep 2013 02:11:43 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/hugo-dixon/?p=643#comment-701 If both sides are anti-West it would seem dumb to do anything that looks like taking sides.

Giving the rebels a limited quantity poison gas for vengeance may show the world poison gas will met with the same. Also it will keep our hands clean.

Hopefully it will teach both sides killing is not nice. But do not count on it. The religious wars in Europe lasted a long time. True believers do not look at world as it is and not as it told to be, also people using them are making a profit.

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By: w-t-w http://blogs.reuters.com/hugo-dixon/2013/08/30/cameron-uk-hurt-by-syria-vote-fiasco/comment-page-1/#comment-700 Sat, 31 Aug 2013 21:42:03 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/hugo-dixon/?p=643#comment-700 This is probably the best piece on this political shambles for the UK (and thats not intended to diminish the real horrors for people in Syria and surrounding countries by any means) I have read. People keep going on about the vote on Thursday night being a great day for democracy in the UK. I don’t see it. All I can see is that the UK parliament and government and the PM have, albeit unwittingly and through sheer mismanagement and arrogance, let everybody (except the people we supposedly deplore, Putin, Assad and not least the likes of UKIP at home) down. For the sake of misplaced pride and a few words of caution in a motion we are now well and truelly up the creek in the world (the paddle went with Cameron’s “I get it”) and will see cans of worms opening up all over the place here at home.
And yes David Davis is indeed a far better man for the job at No. 10. Alas our politics and diplomacy has to be run like a 24-hour soap opera full of self-obsessed little Hitlers.

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By: ptiffany http://blogs.reuters.com/hugo-dixon/2013/08/30/cameron-uk-hurt-by-syria-vote-fiasco/comment-page-1/#comment-699 Sat, 31 Aug 2013 20:56:58 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/hugo-dixon/?p=643#comment-699 It’s odd how so few in the media have reported the vote in the UK Parliament correctly. The main issue was that they did not want to make a decision until after the UN makes its report (even if it proves meaningless with respect to who’s responsible). That’s not a vote of no-confidence, it’s simply and expectedly a desire to wait until the results are in. They don’t want to be caught in the middle of another Bush-style political maneuver to mislead.

Who knows where the Brits will be in two weeks, especially after Congress makes its stand?

It’s going to be interesting hearing Members of Congress babble variations on, “I personally don’t think it’s right, but we can’t have our President being mocked by foreigners because he didn’t carry out his implied threats. That’s for Members of Congress to state!”

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By: bettysenior http://blogs.reuters.com/hugo-dixon/2013/08/30/cameron-uk-hurt-by-syria-vote-fiasco/comment-page-1/#comment-698 Sat, 31 Aug 2013 15:36:15 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/hugo-dixon/?p=643#comment-698 Although I have respect for only a very few politicians per se, a striking thing for me that has come out of this dire situation is that one man should have been made prime minister in my mind and that is a certain David Davis. The reason why I say this is that he is not just a highly intelligent person but possesses that elusive and importantly lacking commodity in politics today of pure old common-sense. Most politicians based upon historical facts have not this vital asset and the reason why they get things so horribly wrong time and time again. Mr. Davis’s stance on Syria is just a single pointer to his credentials as Prime Minister Stock and where he thinks like the normal man or women in the streets – that typical individual described in common law who rides the Clapham Omnibus. Therefore he has his feet firmly on the ground, not just because of his convictions towards Syria, but down to the majority of things that I have read and heard from Mr. Davis over the last decade. Indeed his background and upbringing from a council house and his parent’s relative living standards of a working-class family environment (even living in a ‘slum’ in Wandsworth, London before securing a council house) have in my mind prepared him to be possibly one of the greatest Prime Ministers that this country could ever have if he was allowed to be so. Unfortunately in this respect the elitist mindset of the conservatives where one can see this clearly with the current voted-in incumbents, will in the end in my humble opinion be the road to oblivion for the Conservative Party. For Cameron even if he is re-elected come 2015, will only last for no more than two years as leader of the Conservative Party and Prime Minister. Therefore if common-sense prevails and if the British people wish to see a prime minister that is truly for the people they need not look any further than David Davis. Indeed in this respect also if the Conservative Party have any acumen at all and thoughts for their Party’s successful future that is inextricably intertwined with their own long-term good, they should look no further either to appoint a working-class boy who knows what life is all about and will deliver the goods. An achievement that has been missing for two decades now and where it is time that this changed for the British people and their families.

Dr David Hill

Chief Executive

World Innovation Foundation

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By: MacChap http://blogs.reuters.com/hugo-dixon/2013/08/30/cameron-uk-hurt-by-syria-vote-fiasco/comment-page-1/#comment-697 Sat, 31 Aug 2013 00:26:06 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/hugo-dixon/?p=643#comment-697 As a Brit who followed the developments of the last 36 hours and the subsequent fall out as reported in UK media very closely, I find this article raises some points not aired in the UK. The most interesting of these is the assertion that Cameron was wrong to immediately rule out involvement in any military action and that he should have kept the door open by saying he would consult further with Miliband. The author is quite correct – the vote did not authorise action but neither did it prohibit it. This does not seem to have been picked up by the pundits on this side of the Atlantic.
Cameron’s government has a track record of knee jerks, u-turns and naive decisions. This episode has been perhaps the most spectacular in terms of embarrassment for Cameron and, by association, the UK. I truly hope that the ‘special relationship’ between the US & UK is based on foundations that are deeper than the shallow actions of a prime minister who is just ‘passing through’.

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By: COindependent http://blogs.reuters.com/hugo-dixon/2013/08/30/cameron-uk-hurt-by-syria-vote-fiasco/comment-page-1/#comment-696 Fri, 30 Aug 2013 19:50:38 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/hugo-dixon/?p=643#comment-696 Could it be that the Brits are concerned that should plans to attack go awry (after all, this is war) and things get really messy, this President does not have the fortitude to back them up for the long haul? After all, what this President says and what he does are often very different.

“Costs will go down”
“Keep your insurance if you like it”
“Response to a video”
“Assad is a reformist”

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By: satori23 http://blogs.reuters.com/hugo-dixon/2013/08/30/cameron-uk-hurt-by-syria-vote-fiasco/comment-page-1/#comment-695 Fri, 30 Aug 2013 17:55:57 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/hugo-dixon/?p=643#comment-695 Perspectives…, UK citizens exercised their will in parliament in brief but stunning show of democracy. If anything, it leaves a jolly good impression…, cheers are in order.

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