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	<title>Comments on: The secret to China’s boom: state capitalism</title>
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		<title>By: andycox</title>
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		<dc:creator>andycox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Nov 2011 23:35:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At last a glimmering of intellectual honesty.  Since it was taken over by Mao and his cronies, China has been a state capitalist entity, differing only in details from other state capitalist entities like Soviet Russia, North Korea, and Cuba. All this talk of &#039;communism&#039; is pure nonsense. How could such undemocratic regimes be called &#039;communistic&#039; when they retained such integral features of capitalism as money, wages, profits, commodity production, and so on? Genuine communism eschews all of the foregoing, and operates on the basis of free access to all goods and services
andycox
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At last a glimmering of intellectual honesty.  Since it was taken over by Mao and his cronies, China has been a state capitalist entity, differing only in details from other state capitalist entities like Soviet Russia, North Korea, and Cuba. All this talk of &#8216;communism&#8217; is pure nonsense. How could such undemocratic regimes be called &#8216;communistic&#8217; when they retained such integral features of capitalism as money, wages, profits, commodity production, and so on? Genuine communism eschews all of the foregoing, and operates on the basis of free access to all goods and services<br />
andycox<br />
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		<title>By: FTC</title>
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		<dc:creator>FTC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2011 20:55:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whenever statistics (ie GDP) are given, relative costs should be taken into consideration.

Comparing Chinese military spending to American military spending, for example, should take into account that building something in China costs perhaps 1/300th of the cost as in America.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whenever statistics (ie GDP) are given, relative costs should be taken into consideration.</p>
<p>Comparing Chinese military spending to American military spending, for example, should take into account that building something in China costs perhaps 1/300th of the cost as in America.</p>
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		<title>By: baronlaudermilk</title>
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		<dc:creator>baronlaudermilk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2011 01:32:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This article does a great job of describing China&#039;s state guided system, but check out my article which is about the Middle Kingdom&#039;s mutated, unique form of capitalism, and the relationship between the Communist Party and the private sector.

http://www.worldreportnews.com/7/post/2011/11/the-middle-kingdoms-capitalism-tug-and-war.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This article does a great job of describing China&#8217;s state guided system, but check out my article which is about the Middle Kingdom&#8217;s mutated, unique form of capitalism, and the relationship between the Communist Party and the private sector.</p>
<p><a href='http://www.worldreportnews.com/7/post/2011/11/the-middle-kingdoms-capitalism-tug-and-war.html'>http://www.worldreportnews.com/7/post/20 11/11/the-middle-kingdoms-capitalism-tug -and-war.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Checksbalances</title>
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		<dc:creator>Checksbalances</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2011 20:12:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@parker1227
&quot;But anti-development environmentalists, bidding disputes, union disputes, local politics, and right-of-way land use disputes – have crushed our ability to address large infrastructure needs, much less create much needed heavy industry.&quot;

Was not it just unwillingness from the side of the GOP that stopped Obama from creating at least some jobs that could not be exported and would leave a stronger backbone to the American Society?

Then...laissez faire prohibits import duties, so if you would try to balance out too cheap imports...the only way to recreate heavy industry...you would find the &quot;trade liberals&quot; against you.

I am afraid that if the West will not introduce limitations to the supply side economy we will never survive this game. We only think markets(money), not people (work)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@parker1227<br />
&#8220;But anti-development environmentalists, bidding disputes, union disputes, local politics, and right-of-way land use disputes – have crushed our ability to address large infrastructure needs, much less create much needed heavy industry.&#8221;</p>
<p>Was not it just unwillingness from the side of the GOP that stopped Obama from creating at least some jobs that could not be exported and would leave a stronger backbone to the American Society?</p>
<p>Then&#8230;laissez faire prohibits import duties, so if you would try to balance out too cheap imports&#8230;the only way to recreate heavy industry&#8230;you would find the &#8220;trade liberals&#8221; against you.</p>
<p>I am afraid that if the West will not introduce limitations to the supply side economy we will never survive this game. We only think markets(money), not people (work)</p>
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		<title>By: borisjimski</title>
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		<dc:creator>borisjimski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2011 02:39:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>State capitalism a.k.a. mercantilism?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>State capitalism a.k.a. mercantilism?</p>
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		<title>By: dingodoggie</title>
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		<dc:creator>dingodoggie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2011 18:12:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, also Japan tried the State Capitalism approach to economic success, although in a different form. Although it was a great success at first, they got stuck and are now in a permanent crisis characterized by low growth and high debts. One reason, also similarly for other developed countries, of course, is the wage competition driven by globalization.

But in the case of China and of India, there is a big difference: When they will be fully developed, there is not much wage competition possible, as the world runs out of poor, but reasonably well run countries. Should be good news for the Chinese people. On the other hand, at that point, maybe in 20-30 years, the wage competition by autonomous robots will start for good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, also Japan tried the State Capitalism approach to economic success, although in a different form. Although it was a great success at first, they got stuck and are now in a permanent crisis characterized by low growth and high debts. One reason, also similarly for other developed countries, of course, is the wage competition driven by globalization.</p>
<p>But in the case of China and of India, there is a big difference: When they will be fully developed, there is not much wage competition possible, as the world runs out of poor, but reasonably well run countries. Should be good news for the Chinese people. On the other hand, at that point, maybe in 20-30 years, the wage competition by autonomous robots will start for good.</p>
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		<title>By: Dyota</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dyota</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2011 17:43:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The US destroyed it&#039;s military and Treasure in Iraq, while China was sitting pretty. This was simply a matter of corruption which has become systemic in the US while seriously undermining democracy. You have a small cabal of people owning the media, pushing for their small little  self interests at the expense of a large Majority. 
Everywhere you look the corruption is wending its way, from the Casino capitalism on Wall street to literally the Supreme court in the pocket of billionaire brothers who have now legalized this corruption with &quot;citizens united&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The US destroyed it&#8217;s military and Treasure in Iraq, while China was sitting pretty. This was simply a matter of corruption which has become systemic in the US while seriously undermining democracy. You have a small cabal of people owning the media, pushing for their small little  self interests at the expense of a large Majority.<br />
Everywhere you look the corruption is wending its way, from the Casino capitalism on Wall street to literally the Supreme court in the pocket of billionaire brothers who have now legalized this corruption with &#8220;citizens united&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: POSA</title>
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		<dc:creator>POSA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2011 08:39:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not only is China growing, but they are clever in their choice of strategy, wiser to remain focus while they manage well the internal and external influences. What do I mean by this?  The laws that work in the US will not work in Sudan neither in China, vice versa.  Why then should developing countries continue to copy the laws they no nothing about?  The freedom of speech campaigned by America is now being used against the state in making useful regulation to amend their economic woe.

The most effective tool capitalist nations have used in the past to suppress other nations from competing with them is to make them embrace laws and political terrain that would ordinarily not work for them, or fit into their fundamental culture and history.  We see this in Africa. Effort to woo China to embrace full democracy and their declination, I will say, contributes to their on-going economic successes.  As long as they hold on to what they can, what they believe and restrain external influence from the like of “western countries”, IMF, World Bank, UN, etc and rely on personal strengths, they will continue to grow.  However, the day the bow to pressure is the day they will start to fall.

I will argue, from basic economic principle of comparative advantage, that any nation that simply copy democracy or simple privatisation of government properties as constantly proposed by capitalists and their machineries without considering her internal structure, culture and visions will fail.  

I will argue, China is successful today because they chose to control from intern rather than to be controlled from extern. This success will continue as long as they hold on to this strategy.  That is while I agree with HU when he said, &quot;…if we help the EU, we have to have a say&quot;.  Just like they, the capitalist are having a say in Africa.  After all, “he who has the pipe, dictates the tone”, meaning, whoever has the largest economy controls the world.  That is real capitalism, and that is what China currently has.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not only is China growing, but they are clever in their choice of strategy, wiser to remain focus while they manage well the internal and external influences. What do I mean by this?  The laws that work in the US will not work in Sudan neither in China, vice versa.  Why then should developing countries continue to copy the laws they no nothing about?  The freedom of speech campaigned by America is now being used against the state in making useful regulation to amend their economic woe.</p>
<p>The most effective tool capitalist nations have used in the past to suppress other nations from competing with them is to make them embrace laws and political terrain that would ordinarily not work for them, or fit into their fundamental culture and history.  We see this in Africa. Effort to woo China to embrace full democracy and their declination, I will say, contributes to their on-going economic successes.  As long as they hold on to what they can, what they believe and restrain external influence from the like of “western countries”, IMF, World Bank, UN, etc and rely on personal strengths, they will continue to grow.  However, the day the bow to pressure is the day they will start to fall.</p>
<p>I will argue, from basic economic principle of comparative advantage, that any nation that simply copy democracy or simple privatisation of government properties as constantly proposed by capitalists and their machineries without considering her internal structure, culture and visions will fail.  </p>
<p>I will argue, China is successful today because they chose to control from intern rather than to be controlled from extern. This success will continue as long as they hold on to this strategy.  That is while I agree with HU when he said, &#8220;…if we help the EU, we have to have a say&#8221;.  Just like they, the capitalist are having a say in Africa.  After all, “he who has the pipe, dictates the tone”, meaning, whoever has the largest economy controls the world.  That is real capitalism, and that is what China currently has.</p>
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		<title>By: Farfoor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Farfoor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2011 08:29:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In America, capitalism is the state religion, only with the financial crisis, the US government has rightly chosen to ignore that dogma and save the banks, hence circumventing market &#039;cleansing&#039; mechanisms.

In China, capitalism was seen as a way of increasing productivity, not of changing their religion wholesale. And their phenomenal success mixing capitalim with strategic governement planning is testament to the (overall) soundness of their approach.

Just goes to show, economics is not an exact science, though it certainly is a dogmatic one, and very very much overrated...

Farfoor</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In America, capitalism is the state religion, only with the financial crisis, the US government has rightly chosen to ignore that dogma and save the banks, hence circumventing market &#8216;cleansing&#8217; mechanisms.</p>
<p>In China, capitalism was seen as a way of increasing productivity, not of changing their religion wholesale. And their phenomenal success mixing capitalim with strategic governement planning is testament to the (overall) soundness of their approach.</p>
<p>Just goes to show, economics is not an exact science, though it certainly is a dogmatic one, and very very much overrated&#8230;</p>
<p>Farfoor</p>
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		<title>By: Parker1227</title>
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		<dc:creator>Parker1227</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Nov 2011 23:06:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama tried throwing several hundred billions of dollars at big infrastructure projects across the nation for so-called &quot;shovel ready&quot; jobs.

But anti-development environmentalists, bidding disputes, union disputes, local politics, and right-of-way land use disputes - have crushed our ability to address large infrastructure needs, much less create much needed heavy industry.

We have handicapped ourselves with out-of-control and corrupt legal and political systems. 

And the anti-growth segment is still growing in power.  But do they realize they WILL impoverish us if they have their way?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama tried throwing several hundred billions of dollars at big infrastructure projects across the nation for so-called &#8220;shovel ready&#8221; jobs.</p>
<p>But anti-development environmentalists, bidding disputes, union disputes, local politics, and right-of-way land use disputes &#8211; have crushed our ability to address large infrastructure needs, much less create much needed heavy industry.</p>
<p>We have handicapped ourselves with out-of-control and corrupt legal and political systems. </p>
<p>And the anti-growth segment is still growing in power.  But do they realize they WILL impoverish us if they have their way?</p>
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