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	<title>Comments on: Prokhorov’s presidential chances are not the point</title>
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		<title>By: Tseko</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/ian-bremmer/2011/12/13/prokhorov%e2%80%99s-presidential-chances-are-not-the-point/#comment-193</link>
		<dc:creator>Tseko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2011 20:43:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Putin &quot;the most powerful&quot; individual on the planet - are you also running in the elections, Dr. Bremmer?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Putin &#8220;the most powerful&#8221; individual on the planet &#8211; are you also running in the elections, Dr. Bremmer?</p>
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		<title>By: matthewslyman</title>
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		<dc:creator>matthewslyman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Dec 2011 21:59:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a gross oversimplification at best, to presume that Putin is responsible for all the bad that happens in Russia. There are plenty of people in Russia in positions of power, who do not have Putin personally supervising them, and who have plenty of space for human corruptibility to develop... And there are traditions of corruption, and cultural acceptance of it, dating back beyond Soviet times, to the times of the old Czarist regime.

Take a peek at David Cay Johnston&#039;s latest piece:
http://blogs.reuters.com/david-cay-johnston/2011/12/13/wheres-the-fraud-mr-president/

Russia has a shadow economy worth approximately 44% of their GDP! This is much higher than in any other major industrialised economy. Virtually every company in Russia has a dual accounting system: &quot;white&quot; and &quot;black&quot;; &quot;above&quot; or &quot;below&quot; the table... And virtually every major transaction in Russia (including peoples salaries) has a &quot;white&quot; and a &quot;black&quot; component. Corruption is absolutely pervasive in Russia. Companies that do everything above-board find it very hard to compete in Russia.

Now think... Does this black economy make the Russian government MORE or LESS powerful, relatively speaking? Would the Russian government not be much more powerful if (say) 80%-95% of their GDP was taxed and above-board? The only possible power-advantage gained by government officials from the perpetuation of the present situation is that they may safely presume that their personal enemies are engaging in corrupt shadow accounting tricks; and turn them over for prosecution in full confidence that wrongdoing will be discovered. But why would Putin or Medvedev need such pervasive corruption, just to handle a few personal rivals, if they&#039;re already at the top of the social order, and on balance, they would be made far more powerful by a reduction in corruption than by a perpetuation of it? It doesn&#039;t make any sense.

If Putin had an iron grip on everything that happened in Russia, do you think that Russia&#039;s black economy would be so big? NO WAY! It&#039;s like saying he&#039;d shoot himself in the foot... I think we would all agree that the man is intelligent enough not to do that. That&#039;s probably what scares some people in the West: he&#039;s actually intelligent enough to sit on the other side of the negotiating table and get a good deal for Russia.

So if we&#039;re going to criticise him (and I have no doubt whatsoever that valid criticisms are possible); can we at least make our criticisms self-consistent?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a gross oversimplification at best, to presume that Putin is responsible for all the bad that happens in Russia. There are plenty of people in Russia in positions of power, who do not have Putin personally supervising them, and who have plenty of space for human corruptibility to develop&#8230; And there are traditions of corruption, and cultural acceptance of it, dating back beyond Soviet times, to the times of the old Czarist regime.</p>
<p>Take a peek at David Cay Johnston&#8217;s latest piece:<br />
<a href='http://blogs.reuters.com/david-cay-johnston/2011/12/13/wheres-the-fraud-mr-president/'>http://blogs.reuters.com/david-cay-johns ton/2011/12/13/wheres-the-fraud-mr-presi dent/</a></p>
<p>Russia has a shadow economy worth approximately 44% of their GDP! This is much higher than in any other major industrialised economy. Virtually every company in Russia has a dual accounting system: &#8220;white&#8221; and &#8220;black&#8221;; &#8220;above&#8221; or &#8220;below&#8221; the table&#8230; And virtually every major transaction in Russia (including peoples salaries) has a &#8220;white&#8221; and a &#8220;black&#8221; component. Corruption is absolutely pervasive in Russia. Companies that do everything above-board find it very hard to compete in Russia.</p>
<p>Now think&#8230; Does this black economy make the Russian government MORE or LESS powerful, relatively speaking? Would the Russian government not be much more powerful if (say) 80%-95% of their GDP was taxed and above-board? The only possible power-advantage gained by government officials from the perpetuation of the present situation is that they may safely presume that their personal enemies are engaging in corrupt shadow accounting tricks; and turn them over for prosecution in full confidence that wrongdoing will be discovered. But why would Putin or Medvedev need such pervasive corruption, just to handle a few personal rivals, if they&#8217;re already at the top of the social order, and on balance, they would be made far more powerful by a reduction in corruption than by a perpetuation of it? It doesn&#8217;t make any sense.</p>
<p>If Putin had an iron grip on everything that happened in Russia, do you think that Russia&#8217;s black economy would be so big? NO WAY! It&#8217;s like saying he&#8217;d shoot himself in the foot&#8230; I think we would all agree that the man is intelligent enough not to do that. That&#8217;s probably what scares some people in the West: he&#8217;s actually intelligent enough to sit on the other side of the negotiating table and get a good deal for Russia.</p>
<p>So if we&#8217;re going to criticise him (and I have no doubt whatsoever that valid criticisms are possible); can we at least make our criticisms self-consistent?</p>
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		<title>By: Qeds</title>
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		<dc:creator>Qeds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Dec 2011 18:37:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No Mr. Bremer, the real question is why is change needed?

a) to get rid of Putin?
b) to change because there is a strong, united, political block ready to take power, backed by a large share of population and we are certain this new block will do good things for Russia?

If by any amazing miracle you find a) to be the answer you should further ask yourself why. To spare you the effort i&#039;ll hint that you should look for that answer in the latest UN Council positions taken by Russia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No Mr. Bremer, the real question is why is change needed?</p>
<p>a) to get rid of Putin?<br />
b) to change because there is a strong, united, political block ready to take power, backed by a large share of population and we are certain this new block will do good things for Russia?</p>
<p>If by any amazing miracle you find a) to be the answer you should further ask yourself why. To spare you the effort i&#8217;ll hint that you should look for that answer in the latest UN Council positions taken by Russia.</p>
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		<title>By: ARJTurgot2</title>
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		<dc:creator>ARJTurgot2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Dec 2011 16:41:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even Putin must recognize that life in his country is grim.  In the end, Gilgamesh realizes he is not immortal and opts to be a good king.  The &#039;Good Tzar&#039; is very much on Vlad&#039;s mind, whether he can overcome himself and his training...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even Putin must recognize that life in his country is grim.  In the end, Gilgamesh realizes he is not immortal and opts to be a good king.  The &#8216;Good Tzar&#8217; is very much on Vlad&#8217;s mind, whether he can overcome himself and his training&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: PfDG</title>
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		<dc:creator>PfDG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Dec 2011 16:20:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suppose it can be difficult to teach an old dog new tricks.  In any case we&#039;ve seen this before from the Kremlin and Surkov in particular.  Yet in a political system defined by personal relationships, much depends on the respective rifts between Prokhorov and Surkov, and Kudrin and Medvedev.  

I would be surprised if the Kremlin staged both of these rows in anticipation of current events.  If they had, then they would have done a better job of concealing election fraud.  The sense here in Moscow now is that Putin is definitely on the back foot.  It&#039;s no revolutionary Arab awakening, as declining demography, emigration and economic growth have combined to create relatively abundant jobs for Russian youth (usually unburdened by rent or mortgages), but perhaps Vladimir Putin is no longer the most powerful individual on the planet.  

It is of course possible that Kudrin and Prokhorov have been subtly co-opted by the Kremlin, though I get the sense that Kudrin is genuinely a liberal and that Prokhorov is &quot;pro-business.&quot;  Whether or not the Kremlin is behind this or not is a moot point:  even if Kudrin and Prokhorov were really independent, they would still be perceived as being too close to Putin.  Again, what matters are personal relationships in this system of manual control, and Kudrin is a close friend of Putin&#039;s, and Prokhorov has depended for so long on his benevolence.  Furthermore, with the Communists being the strongest opposition party, it is highly unlikely that an oligarch (reviled for perceived theft of national natural resources) protected by Putin and a long-serving minister under Putin could ever set up a credible opposition party.  But change might just come from within . . .

So the Kremlin may be toying with reform, but it doesn&#039;t have much of a choice:  whether it co-opts liberals or not, something has to give, as Russians refuse to continue being treated like cattle.  The good days are over for Mr. Putin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suppose it can be difficult to teach an old dog new tricks.  In any case we&#8217;ve seen this before from the Kremlin and Surkov in particular.  Yet in a political system defined by personal relationships, much depends on the respective rifts between Prokhorov and Surkov, and Kudrin and Medvedev.  </p>
<p>I would be surprised if the Kremlin staged both of these rows in anticipation of current events.  If they had, then they would have done a better job of concealing election fraud.  The sense here in Moscow now is that Putin is definitely on the back foot.  It&#8217;s no revolutionary Arab awakening, as declining demography, emigration and economic growth have combined to create relatively abundant jobs for Russian youth (usually unburdened by rent or mortgages), but perhaps Vladimir Putin is no longer the most powerful individual on the planet.  </p>
<p>It is of course possible that Kudrin and Prokhorov have been subtly co-opted by the Kremlin, though I get the sense that Kudrin is genuinely a liberal and that Prokhorov is &#8220;pro-business.&#8221;  Whether or not the Kremlin is behind this or not is a moot point:  even if Kudrin and Prokhorov were really independent, they would still be perceived as being too close to Putin.  Again, what matters are personal relationships in this system of manual control, and Kudrin is a close friend of Putin&#8217;s, and Prokhorov has depended for so long on his benevolence.  Furthermore, with the Communists being the strongest opposition party, it is highly unlikely that an oligarch (reviled for perceived theft of national natural resources) protected by Putin and a long-serving minister under Putin could ever set up a credible opposition party.  But change might just come from within . . .</p>
<p>So the Kremlin may be toying with reform, but it doesn&#8217;t have much of a choice:  whether it co-opts liberals or not, something has to give, as Russians refuse to continue being treated like cattle.  The good days are over for Mr. Putin.</p>
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