Comments on: Are state-led economies better? http://blogs.reuters.com/ian-bremmer/2012/07/03/are-state-led-economies-better/ Fri, 05 Dec 2014 14:27:05 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: amibovvered http://blogs.reuters.com/ian-bremmer/2012/07/03/are-state-led-economies-better/#comment-440 Sun, 29 Jul 2012 12:40:05 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/ian-bremmer/?p=421#comment-440 Yes, let’s continue the pretense the US is not involved, that’s the ticket.

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By: DR9WX http://blogs.reuters.com/ian-bremmer/2012/07/03/are-state-led-economies-better/#comment-427 Mon, 09 Jul 2012 19:49:43 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/ian-bremmer/?p=421#comment-427 ‘History shows that over time state officials never value assets and allocate resources as efficiently as market forces can.’

So state officials aren’t as effective as market forces.

May I humbly add the UK Government and the Bank of England to the list too. Both Govt and Bank appear to believe that they know best.

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By: sarkozyrocks http://blogs.reuters.com/ian-bremmer/2012/07/03/are-state-led-economies-better/#comment-426 Fri, 06 Jul 2012 14:46:01 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/ian-bremmer/?p=421#comment-426 I’ve lived and worked in several “planned economies”. “…appears to be producing impressive results”, for whom? “…state capitalism’s appeal…” for whom? “…state managed capitalism appears to be triumphant.” for whom? “State capitalism’s greatest weakness lies in its intolerance of “creative destruction,””…yes, but it goes beyond that. The greatest weakness of a large, powerful central authority is that eventually the fountain of individual human expression, creativity, progress, and achievement is dried up. France is a good, close-to-home example.

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By: Farkel44 http://blogs.reuters.com/ian-bremmer/2012/07/03/are-state-led-economies-better/#comment-425 Fri, 06 Jul 2012 13:26:47 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/ian-bremmer/?p=421#comment-425 All Governments have humans ergo all governments have corruption. All governments exist on Earth ergo all governments are victim to chance and circumstance. The only major difference to the individual is choice. I’ll take a disability check in the American ghetto over rice & beans and 10 hr days anytime. The average American poor has a living space 3-4 times the size of a European or Asian “middle class”…and a cell phone, tv, auto, and a good chance at A/C and cable… Sell crazy somewhere else.

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By: WeWereWallSt http://blogs.reuters.com/ian-bremmer/2012/07/03/are-state-led-economies-better/#comment-424 Fri, 06 Jul 2012 11:47:24 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/ian-bremmer/?p=421#comment-424 Go Bo!

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By: scythe http://blogs.reuters.com/ian-bremmer/2012/07/03/are-state-led-economies-better/#comment-422 Thu, 05 Jul 2012 19:05:33 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/ian-bremmer/?p=421#comment-422 it was rather feeble to yoke totalitarian communist china with the concept of “state capitalism”

ass and ox stuff

communist china is myanmar on the grand scale

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By: SamuelReich http://blogs.reuters.com/ian-bremmer/2012/07/03/are-state-led-economies-better/#comment-421 Thu, 05 Jul 2012 12:12:11 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/ian-bremmer/?p=421#comment-421 There is apparent need for some controls in US. But not the China model’s type or scope. For example a decline in export industries unless they balance imports at some time one get too much debt. Taxes on non-export investments should improve that, but we may have problems with some trading partners (the sources of excess imports) which we can drop.

Banks that operate by the profit motive have been the source of economic bubbles for 500 years. If they got paid for taking and processing loan application and approving of disapproving them according to current Fed rules and quotas but the Fed held the loans. They would have no interest in financing bubbles. Then the pro real estate bubble politicians would have to be watched. Obviously it does not serve the economy well to have residential real estate priced higher than need to get adequate housing. There are other investment needs in economy besides housing. Giving fixed loans to people with unstable low income does help them. As does losing up people with real estate they do not have the income skill keep up.

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By: aeci http://blogs.reuters.com/ian-bremmer/2012/07/03/are-state-led-economies-better/#comment-420 Wed, 04 Jul 2012 19:54:14 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/ian-bremmer/?p=421#comment-420 Hats off to NukerDoggie and ptiffany. They have it right.

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By: ptiffany http://blogs.reuters.com/ian-bremmer/2012/07/03/are-state-led-economies-better/#comment-419 Wed, 04 Jul 2012 19:51:27 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/ian-bremmer/?p=421#comment-419 I didn’t vote for the federal government to bail out the Wall Street Casinos using my taxes. Did you?

Does the United States operate under free markets and capitalism or crony capitalism?

Why is most of the legalese in the bills enacted by Congress written by lobbyists? “Reform bills” quickly turn back into support and subsidies for the rich and super rich.

This article is the epitome of naïveté. The Tenth Percenters in their mandate to preserve their capital with guaranteed ten percent returns have been ruling the United States for decades.

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By: NukerDoggie http://blogs.reuters.com/ian-bremmer/2012/07/03/are-state-led-economies-better/#comment-418 Wed, 04 Jul 2012 19:42:14 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/ian-bremmer/?p=421#comment-418 Not surprisingly, the author is, whether he knows it or not, profoundly biased in favor of liberal, western-style capitalism. So am I.

However, when he speaks of how state-managed capitalism a la China “breeds corruption”, I have to laugh! As if the form of capitalism that has been practiced in the West over the past two decades doesn’t also do so on a grand scale???? It breeds destructive corruption and greed, throughout both the public and private sectors – what does the author think lies at the root of the private sector collapse of 2008 and the sovereign debt crisis of 2011?

Liberal capitalism has brought upon itself all these woes, and they are not merely temporary or ‘just part of the business cycle’. They signify the fundamental failure of the system.

Governments of the group called “the over-developed economies” are being forced to enact measures that corrode away the very liberties and freedoms the author seems to think are irrevocable. They most certainly are not! They are being forfeited, sacrificed upon the altar of social/civil order and security via government control. There is a very strong socialistic trend taking root in the West (witness the rise of socialistic leaders in Europe and the U.S.) as economic crises erode any temporary benefits that were brought on by liberal free market capitalism. Thus, the frightened and suffering electorate is participating with ever-more-totalitarian democratic governments in the forfeiture of traditional western freedoms and liberties. “Cover us and take care of us!” is the cry of the electorate to their governments.

Matters will worsen much more from here, and democratic governments throughout the West will become ever more totalitarian – simply to survive. Western Capitalism is in its self-inflicted death throes. What takes its place will, more than not, resemble the model China is using.

That doesn’t say China’s model is better. It simply says it works in a fashion, while the traditional Western model no longer does. If the West had time – maybe it could fix itself. But there isn’t sufficient time, for the electorate is restless, massively spoiled, and impatient. And democratic governments are frightened, deeply concerned for their national security, and incredibly tempted by the greed for what an increasing measure of totalitarianism can bring them.

Those who realize the truth of the above tend to flock to the conservative candidates as a “solution”, but conservative leaders have done just as much (if not more) to bring the West to the very precipice of a forfeiture of democracy as liberal leaders have. Disappointments in any/all leaders will only fuel the catastrophic crackup that is coming for the West.

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