Comments on: Manmohan Singh’s shrinking room for manoeuvre on Pakistan http://blogs.reuters.com/india/2009/08/03/manmohan-singhs-shrinking-room-for-manoeuvre-on-pakistan/ Perspectives on South Asian politics Thu, 02 Jun 2016 08:03:22 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: George http://blogs.reuters.com/india/2009/08/03/manmohan-singhs-shrinking-room-for-manoeuvre-on-pakistan/comment-page-1/#comment-8795 Wed, 05 Aug 2009 21:09:24 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/india/?p=1640#comment-8795 United States of India .. A view from MIT

“By 2040, after a transformative reformation of entire power structure in former Pakistan, India, Bangladesh and Pakistan will formally merge into a United States of India”

http://tech.mit.edu/V129/N30/indiapakist an.html

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By: Robert http://blogs.reuters.com/india/2009/08/03/manmohan-singhs-shrinking-room-for-manoeuvre-on-pakistan/comment-page-1/#comment-8788 Wed, 05 Aug 2009 17:22:36 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/india/?p=1640#comment-8788 Ohh .. I see.. this Nehru dude screwed up India more than I knew! Because of him, Pakistan has Taliban training centers on half of occupied Kashmir and China is sitting on large a part of India. India has the legal papers of Kashmir, but intruders are sitting on it.

What was Nehru thinking? Did he ever attend any class on history or foreign policy??

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By: rajeev http://blogs.reuters.com/india/2009/08/03/manmohan-singhs-shrinking-room-for-manoeuvre-on-pakistan/comment-page-1/#comment-8786 Wed, 05 Aug 2009 16:30:23 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/india/?p=1640#comment-8786 @So when was it offered be4?
– Posted by Robert

Robert: More than half a century ago India was offered permanent seat in the UNSC. Nehru srewed it up as we see it today.

http://www.organiser.org/dynamic/modules .php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=283&pa ge=10
Quote”In 1953 or so India was offered China?s permanent seat in the UNSC then held by Taiwan but Jawaharlal Nehru rejected it saying that it was an American effort to marginalise the Communist China. In his book Nehru: The Invention of India Shashi Tharoor, a former UN Under Secretary has also confirmed that Nehru turned down a US offer for India to take permanent seat in the Security Council held by Taiwan, and Nehru urged that it be offered to Beijing instead. So India missed a golden opportunity to be in the UNSC as a Permanent Member with veto.” Unquote

http://www.globalpolicy.org/component/co ntent/article/200/41135.html
Quote”From 1955, when Indian Prime Minister Jawaharlal Nehru conceded an offer for a permanent seat at the Security Council to China, New Delhi has permitted itself to be outsmarted by Beijing on this contentious issue. It is now high time to stop living in illusions and to acknowledge that China is one of the obstacles to India’s quest for global stature.”Unquote

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By: Robert http://blogs.reuters.com/india/2009/08/03/manmohan-singhs-shrinking-room-for-manoeuvre-on-pakistan/comment-page-1/#comment-8784 Wed, 05 Aug 2009 14:31:28 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/india/?p=1640#comment-8784 Patrick E.
So when was it offered be4?

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By: Robert http://blogs.reuters.com/india/2009/08/03/manmohan-singhs-shrinking-room-for-manoeuvre-on-pakistan/comment-page-1/#comment-8783 Wed, 05 Aug 2009 14:29:55 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/india/?p=1640#comment-8783 Thanks Patrick E.

Appreciate your well wishes. We Love U too.

Russia has been our best and most supportive friend for a long time. They first supported India for UNSC. All major powers and countries have supported India so far but US and China. China is unpredictable like it was during NSG (nuclear suppliers group) meeting. But Chinese don’t like to be the lone dissent and US can always arm-twist things from China like it did during NSG.

But without US support, India is not going anywhere!!!

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By: Patrick E. http://blogs.reuters.com/india/2009/08/03/manmohan-singhs-shrinking-room-for-manoeuvre-on-pakistan/comment-page-1/#comment-8778 Wed, 05 Aug 2009 09:52:48 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/india/?p=1640#comment-8778 Robert, you may be on to something there, but I don’t think China or Russia would go along with that. On the other hand, India becoming a permanent/veto member of the Security Council is long overdue. I don’t think they would make the mistake of turning it down a second time, if it were offered.

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By: Robert http://blogs.reuters.com/india/2009/08/03/manmohan-singhs-shrinking-room-for-manoeuvre-on-pakistan/comment-page-1/#comment-8774 Wed, 05 Aug 2009 04:56:07 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/india/?p=1640#comment-8774 US-Inda 3.0!!!

What are the contents?

May be UNSC seat with veto? Singh was asking for that at G-8 and silent now. Must have got an assurance from Obama. That is the only thing India needs from US now. May be some hi-tech stuff to keep the Chinese away.

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By: Jacob http://blogs.reuters.com/india/2009/08/03/manmohan-singhs-shrinking-room-for-manoeuvre-on-pakistan/comment-page-1/#comment-8773 Wed, 05 Aug 2009 02:10:46 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/india/?p=1640#comment-8773 Pakistan is a nation carved out of India and built on the principal of equality with India in all respects. It’s principal is to follow us or if possible lead us in all aspects of social life. This can be seen even in the statements by their leaders time and time again.

India on the other hand, and quiet rightfully don’t think Pakistan is an equal to India. However, some sections of our community do lack conviction to follow that fact as can be seen in our reactions.

The only common thing that we have with Pakistan is the common distrust in engaging people from the outside world. We keep loosing our ability to convince the external world about our ability to shoulder higher responsibility by looking inward. Take the example of the NSG Exemption we got with so much hard work. We are now being pushed back and continue to tout the unfortunate line that nothing is wrong with it.

We are constrained by people who think negatively (some sections of our strategic community) or by people who have vested interest in thinking negatively (Some Newspapers and Right Wing Parties) and by people who are chronic negative thinkers (Right Wing Parties and some sections of the retired diplomats). The government is doing the right thing in shrugging the negativity to some extend. However, it could do a better job in articulating it. The official response to the joint statement is ample proof of this.

By any of the statements made by the government in the past one month are to go by, we seem to move in the right direction in engaging Pakistan. As a few posters in this forum indicates, there seems to be an alignment of interests between the international community, lead by the US and India on how to deal with Pakistan. Pakistan and China are seeing the writing on the wall and are forced to take steps that are is what India always wanted – fight the jihadis.

Punishing Saeed, a small fry, but symbolically important thing is most welcome, but I don’t see it happening when we look at it form the larger picture – Pakistan forced to go after the Jihadis – the QA, T, SeM, LeT, HuM and many more. As long as the end goal is met, even if we don’t get the small fries, we should not be bothered about it way too much.

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By: singh http://blogs.reuters.com/india/2009/08/03/manmohan-singhs-shrinking-room-for-manoeuvre-on-pakistan/comment-page-1/#comment-8772 Wed, 05 Aug 2009 00:00:43 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/india/?p=1640#comment-8772 Sardar Khan wrote:

“Wake up india,how much wrong you have done with Pakistan in the past.Remember East Pakistan,the terrorist you created i.e.muktibahini against us.Now you are arming and training bla in afghanistan to undo a neuclar Pakistan.You will fail this time by the grace of Allaha.Remember you must accept reality of Pakistan and try to mend your bad ways of interfarring in internal affairs of your neighbours.All your neighbours are angry with your country.Is there any of your neighbour with whom you have good relations and no dispute either?”

Considering economic and security situation of your country, all I can offer is my condolences, I understand your position and also understand why you are that angry over India. Its hard to keep your temper in control when so much bad is happening around you and you can not do much about it, and worst you don’t know who to blame for. May Allah show you a star of hope.

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By: rajeev http://blogs.reuters.com/india/2009/08/03/manmohan-singhs-shrinking-room-for-manoeuvre-on-pakistan/comment-page-1/#comment-8769 Tue, 04 Aug 2009 16:21:44 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/india/?p=1640#comment-8769 @You can only fool yourself by believing that terrorism is coming from Pakistan only. It is coming from the US.
– Posted by Sabir Jan Azmi

Sabir Jan Azmi: So far the operational word is “delinking terrorism” from the India-Pakistan peace process—“Dropping terrorism” has not happened yet.
Linking US and terrorism can be of academic interests but Pakistan cannot be kept out of it. Ground reality for PM Singh and other Indians is that Pakistan has sponsored terrorism for last 2 decades in several parts of India and 1 of the 10 Pakistani terrorists from LeT has been caught in the act.

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