Comments on: The Mormons in India http://blogs.reuters.com/india/2009/08/18/the-mormons-in-india/ Perspectives on South Asian politics Thu, 02 Jun 2016 08:03:22 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: Zarath http://blogs.reuters.com/india/2009/08/18/the-mormons-in-india/comment-page-1/#comment-29605 Tue, 11 Mar 2014 15:40:23 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/india/?p=1763#comment-29605 Seems like there are several important issues about this article.

1) Mormons being in India is an example of freedom of religion which those who value that right should be happy to see it in practice.

2) Some people’s opinion about what is a valid religion or not. Personally, I have not found any religion I can say I 100% believe in and most religions have obvious falsehoods and myths in them. In comparison, I see nothing to indicate Mormonism is any more or less valid than virtually any other religion I know of, though I like several other religions much more than Mormonism.

3) polygamy, is it good or evil? I believe this strikes directly into the heart of “Are individuals free or not”. I favor freedom, so long as no one else is harmed. While I am married for 17 years monogamously in a heterosexual relationship, I believe people should have the right of choice. If 3 men and 4 women all choose to live in a single marriage with each other, that should be their right; just as if one of them decides to leave the marriage, that is their right too.

For any country or religion to make consensual polygamy illegal is a violation of people’s free will and their basic Human Rights.

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By: Rupay http://blogs.reuters.com/india/2009/08/18/the-mormons-in-india/comment-page-1/#comment-29074 Fri, 18 Oct 2013 18:36:01 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/india/?p=1763#comment-29074 Mormonism… Well no problem with it, and great to know that India got mormons too.

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By: Raff916 http://blogs.reuters.com/india/2009/08/18/the-mormons-in-india/comment-page-1/#comment-18355 Tue, 20 Sep 2011 18:10:59 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/india/?p=1763#comment-18355 4) Racist interpretation is grossly outdated? The civil rights law was passed in 1964. Yet it took the mormon church 14 years to finally get a ‘revelation’ from God that it was OK for blacks to enter temples. Black skin was a curse and it’d turn white if you were faithful and obedient to God. This is in the Book of Mormon. Either the Book of Mormon is wrong or you skipped reading them. “Oh, we Mormons would have been persecuted much more if we had given equal rights to our black brethren”. If you think of using this as a reply, stop and think how stupid it is.

5) Yes, democracy is good. But the US constitution has enshrined the separation of church and the state. What LDS church did was active participation in the matters of state by coercing their members to contribute time and money to something that discriminates against a minority. Jesus would be very proud you helped denying your fellow brothers and sisters equal rights.

5) Wait, what? when did they turn from reality to myth? You don’t think joseph smith translated ancient metal plates with this head in a hat with two magic stones? Either you’re a bad mormon apologist or someone coming to their senses.

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By: Raff916 http://blogs.reuters.com/india/2009/08/18/the-mormons-in-india/comment-page-1/#comment-18354 Tue, 20 Sep 2011 17:58:35 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/india/?p=1763#comment-18354 In response to Anonymous.

1) Temple recommend interviews are online, yes. I have seen them. For example, there is a question in it. “Do you live the law of chastity?” If the member doesn’t understand, then they ask pointed questions about private matters. Several exmormons who have been indoctrinated since age one testify to this. Also, search “To young men only” in Google for a pamphlet from one of the apostles regarding this matter.

2) I don’t think Jesus is real but would Jesus wish money to be made in his name and used for building a grandiose temple with marble floors, glass ceilings and gold plated statues?
“It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God” Matthew 19:24

3) I have been to Mormon institute classes. They actively preach that evolution is a theory and that earth is 6000 years old made out of different planets as raw material. Hence, dinosaur fossils. Climate change is laughed at because their reasoning is God provided resources for humans to use and as such there is nothing to fear if you do as Lord commanded.

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By: adjinn http://blogs.reuters.com/india/2009/08/18/the-mormons-in-india/comment-page-1/#comment-18328 Wed, 14 Sep 2011 03:47:27 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/india/?p=1763#comment-18328 It seems to me that Raff916’s comments are the most objective, reasonable and unemotional. This article reeks of aggressive proselytizing for the controversial and immature Mormon sect. And before anyone jumps to any conclusions, I am not getting into a religious debate – I myself believe that Hinduism is just a bunch of silly old rituals masquerading as a religion.

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By: Raff916 http://blogs.reuters.com/india/2009/08/18/the-mormons-in-india/comment-page-1/#comment-18324 Tue, 13 Sep 2011 02:59:32 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/india/?p=1763#comment-18324 Ullas,

Didn’t you read my comment? I am no more a Hindu than a Christian. I am human. I oppose any form of religious indoctrination. Let reason lead the way forward.

I do not endorse casteism in any way by explaining to you the difference between casteism and racism. To dismiss your argument, Caste discrimination in India is undeniable but caste and race are entirely distinct. The Caste system does not demarcate racial division, does not say one group was cursed by God and that they should be eternally be slaves. The Caste system is a social division of people of the same race, based on a concept called Karma. Hindus believe that the karma of previous life will determine the caste an individual will be (re)born into. Caste system must be viewed as a system of exploitation of poor low-ranking groups by more prosperous high-ranking groups.

“Lower caste women are continued to be raped even in police stations and they have no law protections.”

Despicable law and order situation. Women of any status group are not safe in India.

“Even sandhus / temple priests are accused of rapes.”

Again, no contest. Shows you no religion is true.

“Goddess Drapudi had 5 husbands and Lord Krishna had countless numbers of wives”

This is mythology. Mormon polygamy was not mythology. As far as I know, nobody called themselves prophet and said Krishna threatened him to institute polygamy or polyandry with a raised sword.

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By: Ullas http://blogs.reuters.com/india/2009/08/18/the-mormons-in-india/comment-page-1/#comment-18226 Fri, 26 Aug 2011 17:35:45 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/india/?p=1763#comment-18226 Raff,
I do not understand how Hindus can criticize others for racism when caste system is still prevalent in their society. Till today, harijans (lower caste people) are not allowed to marry in upper caste or enter in to temples. Lower caste women are continued to be raped even in police stations and they have no law protections. Even sandhus / temple priests are accused of rapes. Raff – why don’t you introspect your society before criticizing others. Talking about polygamy, Goddess Drapudi had 5 husbands and Lord Krishna had countless numbers of wives. Do you want more example of polygamy from Hindu holy books?

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By: Anonymous http://blogs.reuters.com/india/2009/08/18/the-mormons-in-india/comment-page-1/#comment-18105 Sat, 13 Aug 2011 13:45:52 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/india/?p=1763#comment-18105 Raff,
1. Temple recommend interviews are carefully scripted (you can find the questions online), and do not include explicit questions about sexual practices
2. The for-profit businesses owned by the church are separate corporations unconnected to tithing funds. Even so, the profits from church-owner corporations are largely redirected to charitable projects, and absolutely none of it goes to church leaders’ pockets.
3. Many Mormons (myself included) accept global warming, evolution, etc. The church has no position on these issues, so whatever members believe is their own responsibility. It has to do with education, not church membership.
4. The racist interpretation of the Book of Mormon you give is grossly outdated. It hails from a period when racism was the law of the land in the US.
5. Every kid in the US wants to be president. It’s ridiculous to fault someone for wanting to change the world through politics. That’s called democracy.
6. The golden plates weren’t magical. They were just an ancient record inscribes on a metal that wouldn’t deteriorate. Similar ancient records have been found elsewhere (ie metal books), so although Joseph’s story is highly unusual and perhaps unlikely, it isn’t as ridiculous as you try to make it sound. No more so than Moses’ stone tablets.

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By: Raff916 http://blogs.reuters.com/india/2009/08/18/the-mormons-in-india/comment-page-1/#comment-17944 Thu, 30 Jun 2011 00:14:11 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/india/?p=1763#comment-17944 I’m an Indian living in Salt Lake City, Utah – The Vatican of Mormonism. Let me give you an inside view of the Mormons. They are good people but they really have ridiculous beliefs and they actually believe they are true. They don’t believe in evolution, climate change or other established scientific theories. They believe the earth was created 6000 years ago. Their prophet, Joseph Smith was a con man, really well known as such. He was into polygamy, married several young girls and even wives of other men, saying it was what God revealed to him as the way to ascend to heavenly kingdom. He even aspired to become the president of the US and called himself the ‘King of Israel’. When a few disillusioned followers tried to expose his polygamous practices, he destroyed their printing press, fled to some other place and was arrested there. Eventually, an angry mob killed him there. Their scriptures, The Book of Mormon, was written by this Joseph Smith. It contains some racist teachings like only white people are ‘pure and delightsome’, the dark skinned people were sinners and if they pray hard enough they can turn into white people too.

They do not reveal any of these hidden details until you join their church, emotionally invest in them to the point where you don’t think of quitting. They ask you to pay 10% of your income as ‘donation’ or tithing as they call it, to their church. They use this money to help poor people, for building temples but at the same time they use it to lobby against gay marriage, build shopping malls. Basically, they are run their church as a for profit business. If you don’t pay 10%, then you do not get a ‘temple recommend’, meaning you are not worthy of entering the temple where they worship, conduct weddings, etc. Besides, they ask intrusive questions about your sex life (oral sex, masturbation) during these ‘interviews’ for temple recommends every year.

My advice to people in India is not to be fooled. We have already been fooled by countless religious leaders, Hindu, Christian or Muslim. We don’t need another hate-mongering group amongst us who manipulate people’s feelings to impose their beliefs on other people. Finally, we are trying to come out of the dark ages, we don’t need to go into one again.

Finally, I challenge any Mormon to prove I am wrong on any of the above mentioned facts.

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By: poila http://blogs.reuters.com/india/2009/08/18/the-mormons-in-india/comment-page-1/#comment-12611 Sun, 10 Jan 2010 10:00:10 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/india/?p=1763#comment-12611 hi i know that the church of jesus christ is true church in this earth and book of mormon is the word of god. and sister anu was a good example for others that how to be a good member in the lds

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