Comments on: Kashmiri separatists seek Saudi mediation to end dispute http://blogs.reuters.com/india/2010/03/17/kashmiri-separatists-seek-saudi-mediation-to-end-dispute/ Perspectives on South Asian politics Thu, 02 Jun 2016 08:03:22 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: G-W http://blogs.reuters.com/india/2010/03/17/kashmiri-separatists-seek-saudi-mediation-to-end-dispute/comment-page-1/#comment-13252 Sat, 20 Mar 2010 03:54:26 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/india/?p=2820#comment-13252 The real problem with Kashmir is that outside forces, that being Pakistan have politicized and fomented the politics of Islam against India.

Pakistan does not care about freedom for anybody, let alone muslims, so long as it suits their geopolitical jousting. I see no Pakistanis cry for the plight of Uighers in China, I see no Pakistani’s cry for the plight of Buddhists that have been butchered.

It seems really funny that Pakistan, having nurtured Taliban, those nice beared men, who flog women, beat unbearded men, keep women as 9th century chattel, I believe they treat dogs and furniture better than women, it is exceptionally funny to see Pakistani’s here cry for the plight of Kashmiri’s who are being tormented and killed by the evil green Indians and that is far from the truth. We never see any Pakistani’s speaking out against the Afgan Taliban, those oppressive men who don’t want music, don’t want movies and want to keep everbody in a mental prison and their only knowledge of the world to come from one book. I think the Indians are miles above the Taliban and much better than that.

No Pakistani ever condemns the attrocious behavior of Kashmiri’s who indulge in militantism and separatism, as most Pakistani’s constantly excuse criminal behavior and confuse it for patriotism or right to self determination of some kind. The truth is, this whole Kashmiri cause has become a tool, a vessel for the Deobandi Wahhabists to make inroads into the Indian subcontinent, this evil creed has a score to settle with Indians and they won’t stop until they feel that they have regained the oppressive power and control that their invading Moghul forfathers had.

Unfortunately, this is the undertone that fuels the entire Kashmiri mess.

It is a pity that Pakistan does not feel the same pity towards peaceful, unarmed Tibetan monks in robes who get beaten maimed and killed for a truly peaceful cause. Indians are not trying to destroy Kashmiri culture, in fact India is inclusive of all cultures, especially Islam.

So the Islamic oppression excuse is lame and holds no ground here.

It is time that Pakistan quits Kashmir and focuses on its own backyard and its own home turf. The stench and rot there, permeates around the world.

As soon as Pakistan quits meddling in Kashmir India, the muslims there, in time, their lives will greatly improve and they are free to be muslims, to thrive like all other other Indians and reach their full potential.

Kashmiri muslims do not need meddling from pakistan or uneducated firebrand bearded fools, looking to take up a fictitiuos cause in life under the Islamic Flag.

Muslims in Indian Kashmir are faring much better than muslims in PoK. Nothing else needs to be said.

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By: KDJ http://blogs.reuters.com/india/2010/03/17/kashmiri-separatists-seek-saudi-mediation-to-end-dispute/comment-page-1/#comment-13248 Fri, 19 Mar 2010 11:34:11 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/india/?p=2820#comment-13248 Farooq bhai can urge to Saudi Arabia, USA, or Jamaica for that matter. But its the Union Government of India that decides if they want a mediator or not and if yes, who. Even their decision is under the purview of the Parliament. And India’s foreign policy from Nehru Ji’s time has been against 3rd party mediator in Kashmir issue. So relax and watch his attemp go in vain.

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By: Sam_Bahadur http://blogs.reuters.com/india/2010/03/17/kashmiri-separatists-seek-saudi-mediation-to-end-dispute/comment-page-1/#comment-13246 Fri, 19 Mar 2010 07:31:51 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/india/?p=2820#comment-13246 The only country whose mediation in Kashmir India can accept is Israel. Saudi Arabia is for bringing Pakistan to its senses on Afghanistan only. So Mr. Farooq is wrong when he says “New Delhi would be more comfortable with Saudi mediation than any other country,”. In fact Saudi Arabia would be one of the last countries. Israel would be first because they face the same kind of fundamentalist Islamist enemy.

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By: RajeevK http://blogs.reuters.com/india/2010/03/17/kashmiri-separatists-seek-saudi-mediation-to-end-dispute/comment-page-1/#comment-13242 Thu, 18 Mar 2010 23:14:40 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/india/?p=2820#comment-13242 haleem11:

@I am sure India will be comfortable with Saudi Arabia leaders. Both are friendly with United States which is putting lot of pressure on Indians to solve Kashmir.”

—Personally In think it is BS that the USA is pushing India on Kashmir. It may be a nudge by the USA at max, which India can very well ignore since nothing is going to help the Af-Pak. It will be interesting to know how it comes out that the USA is putting pressure on India on this. Somehow I feel it is a good small project for a summer trainee to find out the substance and interpretation of the statements and actions of certain people and countries.

Point is why it is not taken that India is making moves to do soemthing real. Why that is hard to swallow–perhaps because of the propaganda that India can never make Kashmiri happy. One needs to look at the offers made by India–not a complete list: 1). Kashmiri militants have been given an offer to put down guns in exchange for joining the mainstream—taken up already by some militants and are out of this AK-47 loop.
2)Indian PM Singh went to Sringar to address a public rally. 3) He Offered to talk to Kashmiri separatists who put his offer down because they said without Pakistan they will not sit with India. 4). Now Singh visiting Saudis partly in connection with Kashmir and the other part–trade–will help Kashmir cause.

I am not sure how all this can be implied as the USA’s pressure on India. Let us be mature and begin to give credit (and discredit) where it matters.

Kashmir will be solved only when two parties drop guns and sit at the table. Terrorism in India is an issue that is labeled as the work of non-state actors or freedom fighters. Hell they are terrorists. I already see terrorist Hafeez Saeed’s picture next to Jinnah on the wall.

@ I think India should avail this opportunity and accept Saudi mediation and end bloodshed in Valley and outside.”
—Add Pakistan also in your statemnt here. It takes two to address this issue.

@The fact is that J&K was Independent before partition of India and will achieve independence sooner or later, no matter who so ever will mediate.”
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—–Well the model for “independent J&K” is AJK–Azad Jammu and Kashmir under Pakistan control. How free is that is a question. If this is what they show as sample, what will be the real deal. No brainer!

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bakwas:

@Pakistan,like India,has many more problems. India needs to be firm and separatists will take back seat.

–Separatists are puppets not independent, so they will not take a back seat until Pakistan does.

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By: haleem11 http://blogs.reuters.com/india/2010/03/17/kashmiri-separatists-seek-saudi-mediation-to-end-dispute/comment-page-1/#comment-13239 Thu, 18 Mar 2010 12:05:16 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/india/?p=2820#comment-13239 The fact is that J&K was Independent before partition of India and will achieve independence sooner or later, no matter who so ever will mediate.

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By: haleem11 http://blogs.reuters.com/india/2010/03/17/kashmiri-separatists-seek-saudi-mediation-to-end-dispute/comment-page-1/#comment-13237 Thu, 18 Mar 2010 10:45:36 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/india/?p=2820#comment-13237 I am sure India will be comfortable with Saudi Arabia leaders. Both are friendly with United States which is putting lot of pressure on Indians to solve Kashmir. I think India should avail this opportunity and accept Saudi mediation and end bloodshed in Valley and outside.

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By: bakwas http://blogs.reuters.com/india/2010/03/17/kashmiri-separatists-seek-saudi-mediation-to-end-dispute/comment-page-1/#comment-13236 Thu, 18 Mar 2010 10:26:01 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/india/?p=2820#comment-13236 Separtists in Jammu & Kashmir are ostensibly rooting for accession with Pakistan.Joining with Pakistan merely on the ground that Kashmir has Muslim majority and borders with Pakistan on the western side negates the concept of Indian union which has all along stood for pluralism and unity in diversity.Kashmir presently enjoys special status with own flag and constitution.It is one of the largest recipients of the grants from Centre.India controls 60% of the area of formerly princely state,remaining mostly under Pakistan.All the vociferous leaders of Kashmir are taking full advantage of munificence of the Union Govt.They must stridently raise,in international forum, the bogey of Indian domination for their own political existence.Admittedly Pakistan can’t be wholly faulted for fishing in troubled waters.Pakistan,like India,has many more problems. India needs to be firm and separatists will take back seat.
Arab Countries may not see the truth behind smokescreen created by mercenary (or TRP driven)media, separatists and US’s propensity to please others at the expense of India.

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By: Majidji http://blogs.reuters.com/india/2010/03/17/kashmiri-separatists-seek-saudi-mediation-to-end-dispute/comment-page-1/#comment-13233 Thu, 18 Mar 2010 09:49:01 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/india/?p=2820#comment-13233 India has never been sincere to resolve the Kashmir issue. It got a golden opportunity to resolve the issue when Parvez Mushraf was in command of Pakistan. But India’s stubborn approach derailed the entire process. Even if now Saudi intervenes, I believe that it will not bear any fruit to resolve the Kashmir issue.

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By: ehsan1234 http://blogs.reuters.com/india/2010/03/17/kashmiri-separatists-seek-saudi-mediation-to-end-dispute/comment-page-1/#comment-13230 Thu, 18 Mar 2010 09:31:14 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/india/?p=2820#comment-13230 I think this is the best solution to end militancy in the region. But it is to be seen whether both the countries will trust Suadia Arabia. At least people of sub continent crave for peace and peace should be given a chance.

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By: bvnshah http://blogs.reuters.com/india/2010/03/17/kashmiri-separatists-seek-saudi-mediation-to-end-dispute/comment-page-1/#comment-13225 Thu, 18 Mar 2010 06:43:50 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/india/?p=2820#comment-13225 There is absolutely no need to involve any third party howsoever benevolent it may be in any of the talks on Indo -Pak relations. India is fully capable of handling Pakistan and its ill intentions. Sooner or later saner element in Pakistan will realise that their half a century old agenda of hate towards India has marred their own growth and left it poor while India has moved on to become an economical superpower.

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