Comments on: Ramdev: A political force for the good? http://blogs.reuters.com/india/2010/04/12/ramdev-the-holy-man-of-india/ Perspectives on South Asian politics Thu, 02 Jun 2016 08:03:22 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: vaibhav_p http://blogs.reuters.com/india/2010/04/12/ramdev-the-holy-man-of-india/comment-page-1/#comment-13725 Thu, 06 May 2010 10:23:56 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/india/?p=2984#comment-13725 @Narayan
I am not sure what was the point of your article. It was rather well written till I came to the last paragraph where presumably lies the heart of the matter. What I fail to understand is that how would a set of stretching exercises transform primary education even if it has the capacity to spread almost like a virus. Wouldn’t the knowledge of basic critical thinking imparted to the students at that early age by their teachers, be more effective? And to be clear India produces 3 times as much scientists than US per year. So critical thinking is not associated to western ideology. It is the best system we have till now to gain knowledge and understanding about the world around us. It would be good if Indian academicians stop supporting frauds and shaman if they really want to popularize science.

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By: vaibhav_p http://blogs.reuters.com/india/2010/04/12/ramdev-the-holy-man-of-india/comment-page-1/#comment-13724 Thu, 06 May 2010 10:07:27 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/india/?p=2984#comment-13724 @DesilnFremont
Ok now yoga helps in anti-aging, so much so that a 57 year old guy who can’t keep his left eye from not blinking,is benefited by yoga that his hair is black at that age. Wow…hey guess what!That may be a testable claim (although he himself doesn’t make the claim), just keep him away from any kind of hair-dyes available in the market for a week.
And if you want to talk about credibility, I am not the one making the claim, that old fraud is. So check his credibility first instead of blindly following him.

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By: nara http://blogs.reuters.com/india/2010/04/12/ramdev-the-holy-man-of-india/comment-page-1/#comment-13639 Wed, 28 Apr 2010 09:33:15 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/india/?p=2984#comment-13639 I have discussed how Baba Ramdevji’s technique could be duplicated in creating a mass of primary school teachers in my blog http://chapter18.wordpress.com/2010/04/2 4/educationbop-in/

Regards
Narayanan

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By: DesiInFremont http://blogs.reuters.com/india/2010/04/12/ramdev-the-holy-man-of-india/comment-page-1/#comment-13586 Sun, 25 Apr 2010 03:34:23 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/india/?p=2984#comment-13586 @vaibhav_p

Ok so you oppose his claims. Testing his his yoga and pranayama yourself would have been best but here is one more of his claim that yoga and pranayam substantially slows down aging. Do you know his age is 57 and how old he looks to you? I’ve not seen any doctor or anyone else of 57 years who looks as young as him. By calling him fraud, whose credibility are you reducing? your’s or his? Baba Ramdev’s credibility is going up everyday. I’m not sure about your’s.

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By: vaibhav_p http://blogs.reuters.com/india/2010/04/12/ramdev-the-holy-man-of-india/comment-page-1/#comment-13572 Sat, 24 Apr 2010 05:27:51 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/india/?p=2984#comment-13572 @DesiInFremont
(Missed the last bit)
I dont know if ramdev has done anything to eradicate poverty in India. Even if he has, well so what?. That does not validate his claims in any way. It should be clear by now that I am opposing his claims.
That said, based on the track record of all the gurus in India or abroad I personally don’t think any of them does it for the pure love of mankind. They seem to be more interested in worldly pleasures while teaching their flocks to stay away from it. The greatest tool to eradicate poverty is education and the best form of education is in which people are taught to think critically. That is what is missing in India. And with the influence of frauds like ramdev on the so called educated class, I see an uphill task.

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By: pakkaBharatiya http://blogs.reuters.com/india/2010/04/12/ramdev-the-holy-man-of-india/comment-page-1/#comment-13564 Thu, 22 Apr 2010 22:08:07 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/india/?p=2984#comment-13564 Swami Ramdev accepts IMA challenge to cure Cancer patients
http://solutionastrology.com/numerologyd etails.asp?numerologyid=210

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By: DesiInFremont http://blogs.reuters.com/india/2010/04/12/ramdev-the-holy-man-of-india/comment-page-1/#comment-13552 Wed, 21 Apr 2010 18:24:41 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/india/?p=2984#comment-13552 @vaibhav_P

When the truth is 180 degree opposite to your thinking it will sound as conspiracy to you, that’s normal. I’m not talking about whole scientific community, only about the part which deals with health, is controlled by Drug/food cartel. Read this article and you’ll see that how food/health has been hijacked.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/28/magazi ne/28nutritionism.t.html?_r=3

Now read this article. The vitamins in pill form are just waste of money. Just take it in natural form.
http://www.rd.com/living-healthy/are-vit amins-really-that-good-for-you-/article4 6647.html

may be you’ll consider this too a conspiracy.

Being scientific doesn’t mean you close you mind to everything that’s ancient knowledge. In fact you should open your mind to every possibility and analyze and experiment yourself. I also belong to scientific community as I’m an IITian working in high tech field in Silicon Valley for more than decade.

Nothing happened to people selling coca-cola as that was just another item at the shop selling tea etc. By stopping it thousands of juice vendor got employment. Coke is harmful to health anyway.

I’ve not seen anyone else outrightly rejecting Yoga like you. Even doctors appreciate yoga’s health benefit although they have doubts about it’s disease curing aspect.

Why depend on some study or research paper. Why not try this for 3 months yourself and see the results. You’ll feel 10-15 years younger(depends on your age) after this.
– Switch to alkaline food(mostly vegetables). Search for acid alkaline food chart.
-Do Yoga(15 minutes) and pranayam(45 minutes)
-Drink 1 liter of water just after getting up and 3 liter during the day.

I’ve been doing this and here are the benefits
– lost 20 pounds in 2-3 months
– all joints pain is gone.
– lipid profile is normal(no more cholesterol)
– don’t need reading glasses
– All acidity and constipation is gone
– feel very energetic.

And I don’t have to take any medicine now like vytorin and prevacid costing about $2/day. After seeing my health changes many of my friends have tried the same with same result.

Ok so you support gay marriage. Now imagine if every one is gay or lesbian, what will happen to the human race. It’ll disappear. So something if followed 100%(although hypothetical), can eliminate human race, how can this be good? Think scientifically, just extrapolate this trend and imagine the consequence as it approaches 100%. Don’t say this will not happen, we are just doing scientific analysis here.

I’m not opposing what homos do in their homes, but when they impose their unreleasable demands, I’m opposed to that.

You talk about basic human rights but ignore 80 crore Indians who are suffering the worst kind of suffering i.e. poverty. That’s more important issue than gay marriage and when Baba Ramdev is working for such people, you are opposing him.

What have you done for such people? now compare that with what Baba ramdev has done.

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By: vaibhav_p http://blogs.reuters.com/india/2010/04/12/ramdev-the-holy-man-of-india/comment-page-1/#comment-13549 Wed, 21 Apr 2010 14:34:57 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/india/?p=2984#comment-13549 @pakkabhartiya
I only said that yoga acts like a placebo in a particular context where you mentioned that ramdev claims he never said yoga can cure AIDS but just alleviate the suffering of AIDS patients. And he says this without giving any evidence whatsoever other than the subjective claims of his followers. Point me to any study in which yoga has been subjected to double blind tests and has shown any significant effects over the control for any disease. And the onus is on you to provide the evidence for your claims of yoga not the person who is denying it.

By the way bharat swabhiman’s motto is 100% swadeshi. Its their way or the highway. A perfect recipe for disaster. Also India is a big market for customer-care based services. Get rid of them too? Yes it sometimes seems that India is a dumping ground for overseas companies but thts not what it is in reality. We are not just talking about food products but also petroleum products, IT industry and to some extent ammunition. I am not discouraging Indian companies but in the long run collaborations are more fruitful than competitions and strong nationalistic propogandas spread by people like ramdev are detrimental to the cause. You want to see India prosper, support more collaborations of Indian companies with foreign companies.

Some people are born homosexuals as others are born heterosexuals. Hormones do play an important role in determining sexual orientation as they play an important role in determining sex of a person. But calling that hormonal imbalance or disease is misleading. It has also been shown that homosexuality can be found in many species across the planet and hence has a genetic basis too. Homosexuals are people just like any other heterosexual you may see on the streets. Indians have to grow up and change their attitude towards the gay and lesbian community. I appreciate Delhi high courts decision on article 377 with respect to gays and lesbians. Ramdev is a homophobe and shame on people like you for blindly following him.

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By: pakkaBharatiya http://blogs.reuters.com/india/2010/04/12/ramdev-the-holy-man-of-india/comment-page-1/#comment-13547 Wed, 21 Apr 2010 11:12:57 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/india/?p=2984#comment-13547 @vaibhav_p

Sorry, if sounded condescending in the previous post. But from your posts I felt that you out-rightly reject anything claimed by Swami Ramdev or traditional Indians. Just as you need considerable research before accepting some idea as fact you also need considerable research before rejecting someone’s claim. You simply cannot reject it without proof. Even the church out-rightly rejected the ideas of Galileo and Newton in the middle ages, but today we know that they were correct. Anyways I take these words back “I think I am more rational than you are”.

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By: pakkaBharatiya http://blogs.reuters.com/india/2010/04/12/ramdev-the-holy-man-of-india/comment-page-1/#comment-13546 Wed, 21 Apr 2010 11:05:29 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/india/?p=2984#comment-13546 @vaibhav_p

ABOUT YOGA
You say that just because someone’s father or mother or brother got cured does not prove that Yoga can cure diseases. Fair enough. But, what I don’t understand is what proof do you have to claim that yoga is placebo ? If you don’t have any proof to claim that Yoga is placebo then how can you claim that Yoga is placebo. Isn’t this Irrational on your part ? Since you don’t have evidence either for or against Yoga, being the rationalist you are, you must have no claims regarding the effectiveness of Yoga.
Let me tell you, I think I am a more rational thinker than you are. Neither have I done yoga nor do I claim that Yoga can cure Cancer. But considering that thousands of people attending Ramdev’s camps claim to have been cured (and Ramdev himself says that he has documented proof), it suggests that cure of Cancer through Yoga is a possibility. There is no Law of Physics/Science which is contradicted if we assume that Yoga can cure Cancer. You just cannot out-rightly reject it.

ABOUT HOMOSEXUALITY
(This is a repetition from my previous reply, do answer this) And about homosexuality, even in scientific community there are differences among peoples’ opinion. Some researchers believe that Homosexuality is due to hormonal imbalances(i.e. a hormonal disease), others say it’s a matter of one’s choice and still others believe it to be of genetic origin. Would you call these researchers “ignorant” as you called Swami Ramdev ? No one knows exactly the reasons for Homosexuality. But if the orientation of Homosexual people can be changed to a straight orientation through Yoga, then I think its better to eradicate Homosexual Orientation through Yoga. And we should support Swamiji in this.

ABOUT PEPSI/COLA
How fair do you think is risking the life of crores of Indians just for the employment of a few thousand ? Why do you expect Ramdev to open green-tea stalls outside railway stations for these unemployed (though he has done such humanitarian work on numerous occasions). It’s the job of the government to provide alternative employment for them. Goverment should look after its people.

ABOUT ORGANIC FARMING
Everything has pros and cons. Nothing is perfect and its our job to select the best that is possible. Same goes with Organic and Inorganic Farming. I have to do some research over it before I claim something and consider in its light what you claim. Anyways, the RnD department of any Chemical firm in the world can claim that Organic farming is harmful and publicize this as a fact through newspapers etc creating rumours, so what DesiInFremont says is a possibility. Watch this video to see how Mineral water firms exploit the world by creating Artificial Demand. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Se12y9hSO M0&feature=player_embedded
Defaming Organic farming can be a marketing ploy by these chemical firms.

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