Comments on: In Kashmir, nearly half favour independence http://blogs.reuters.com/india/2010/05/29/in-kashmir-nearly-half-favour-independence/ Perspectives on South Asian politics Thu, 02 Jun 2016 08:03:22 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: haleema11 http://blogs.reuters.com/india/2010/05/29/in-kashmir-nearly-half-favour-independence/comment-page-1/#comment-14033 Sun, 06 Jun 2010 17:22:08 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/india/?p=3306#comment-14033 @daraindia…how many crimes we prove…ask cbi they proved that your army brutally kiled five innocents in fake encounter in south kashmir and passed them off as militants who killed 35 sikhs. ask military court how many they have proved so far. be realistic and admit that you army os tyrant.

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By: G-W http://blogs.reuters.com/india/2010/05/29/in-kashmir-nearly-half-favour-independence/comment-page-1/#comment-14004 Thu, 03 Jun 2010 20:29:09 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/india/?p=3306#comment-14004 @Rexminor,

You think the Punjabi’s in India want to be with Punjabi’s in Pakistan? what have you been smoking.

The punjabi’s, especially the Sikh community in India and worldwide is one of the most moderate, industrious, hard working and productive communities anywhere in the world, bar none. Especially the punjabi sikh diaspora in Canada and the U.S.

As a hindu punjabi, I for one can truly say that the Indian Sikhs are my family, my brothers and they are the lions of India. Please don’t ever disrespect the Indian Sikhs by lumping them with Pakistani Punjabi Terrorist Thugs, there is night and day difference and the Indian Sikhs have worked hard to redefine themselves to be a truly great moderate and peaceful community that gets along with all peoples.

The simple reasons are hardwork and they didn’t not perseverate over the failings of the Gandhi era, they rose above it, and now you have a Punjabi Sikh prime-minister that is loved, respected and admired by ALL Indians alike.

Sikhs are fiercely loyal to India, despite what mis-informed Pakistani’s might think. Punjabi Sikhs have been the historical liberators of India from Islamic and British oppression and even peacefully challenged backwardness of the Gandhi era and sacrificed themselves and martyred themselves, so ALL Indians can live free of tyranny, Hindus, muslims and Sikhs alike.

With regards to the Sikh separatist movement, that was fueled and funded by Pakistan and most Sikhs did not follow nor believe it, as they were always patriotic Punjabi’s and Patriotic Indians and at the end of the day, the Indian Sikhs never defined themselves within the context of being terrorists.

If you notice those people promoting separatism, often recruit uninformed disenfranchised, uneducated youth and send them to die, rather than do their own dirty work.

Indian Punjabi Sikhs are the best of what India has to offer and it is a good idea if Punjabi’s in Pakistan try to emulate their hardwork.

Sikhs don’t need to rule over Punjab, that is beneath them, the Sikh nation is so much more…it is national and global, it is much bigger than punjab or India itself.

Singh IS King.

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By: ajaz123 http://blogs.reuters.com/india/2010/05/29/in-kashmir-nearly-half-favour-independence/comment-page-1/#comment-13984 Wed, 02 Jun 2010 12:45:03 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/india/?p=3306#comment-13984 Given the significance of the 63-year-old dispute over Kashmir – for India, for Pakistan and above all for Kashmiris – it is remarkable how few attempts there have been to test opinion in Kashmir itself about attitudes to key issues in the dispute.

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By: pakistan http://blogs.reuters.com/india/2010/05/29/in-kashmir-nearly-half-favour-independence/comment-page-1/#comment-13982 Wed, 02 Jun 2010 10:56:20 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/india/?p=3306#comment-13982 @ajeevK nd vamsey
In my opinion both of you are very noble on the human side. Let me clrify my words further, people of different culture or with different traditions need to integrate with the community of the adopted country. This in my view is missing among the people who migrated from India to the territory allocated to Pakistan.
By the way, anyone migrating to the USA or Canada is in the different ball game. They are still developing Nations, in view of their histopry, continued change of ethnic mix and language. In my opinion this is not a good road model for emerging Nations, having no more indigenous population. The citizens being called, afro american, irish american, hisponic american and so on… No thanks. I hope that your prognosis for India, which you have apparently left, comes true. Though the signs are that a large section of minorities including Kashmiris are preventing the cohesiveness of India.
By nationalisingv the current military structure means that any illegal use of military against civilian citizens would cease. The military commanders would be allowed to refuse the illegal use of military. Today this is not possible either in Indiac orv Pakistan. For simple convenience or practical purpose the military of both countriesv has been kept as a separate class within the country. The use of sikh military agaist the Sikh separist movement and ithe use of Pakistan military against the civilian citizens are the clear examples.
In a democratic country the duty of military are
limited to defend the territorial integrity and not to suppress the political views of the opposition. One cannot keep together the unity of a Nation if certain part of country do not desire to be a part of the wholecountry. The democratic process must allow the people to leave the union if so desired. The military adventure of the USA had a different basis and therefore resulted in the defeat since the southerners divide with the yankees was based on slavery or non slavery.
I sincerely believe that the problems within and outside the country in India and Pakistan are simply due to the colonial structure of the respective military both classifying each other as their sole enemy. Like some one mentioned that D&A of both folks are more or less
similar and the religion divide is simply a diversion.
In fact both militaries have more in common with each other and the British military than one could imagine. Most of the military units are very loyal to their colonial history whech includes the suppression and murder of the Indian citizens. This is a bizarre situation hitherto neglected. In other words you have a large chunk of society who are proud of murdering civilians during the colonial days and a major part of the civilian community proud of becoming independet. Now how do you reconcile this difference within a community?
Have a nice day. Rex Minor

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By: SatishChadha http://blogs.reuters.com/india/2010/05/29/in-kashmir-nearly-half-favour-independence/comment-page-1/#comment-13980 Wed, 02 Jun 2010 04:11:18 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/india/?p=3306#comment-13980 Dear All …….. My purpose of giving example was just to clarify that for closeness at a far away place, it is the human ethnicity and culture which dominates over one’s personal religious beliefs, if all other factors are equal. The personal biased ness, religious hate or animosity are altogether different factors.
What ever we may say the fact is that “Apno se bechudne ka gam apne he samajh sakte hain”. When we talk of closeness between Indians at far away please we bog down under in national hatred or any other biased ness. In this connection please read the analysis of Rakesh Mani published as Editorial in Pak ‘Daily Times’ at following link:

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp  ?page=2010520story_20-5-2010_pg3_5

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By: Mortal1 http://blogs.reuters.com/india/2010/05/29/in-kashmir-nearly-half-favour-independence/comment-page-1/#comment-13979 Wed, 02 Jun 2010 02:55:34 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/india/?p=3306#comment-13979 @ “One thing is sure that the Punjabis living in India and Pakistan would rather live together as one nation rather than living with people of different cultures and traditions, namely Pashtoons, Bengalis, Sindhis etc. etc” Rex Minor, not Pakistan

I don’t know where you got this ridiculous idea from but you couldn’t be more wrong on that. Indian punjabis have moved on a long time ago & like other Indians they don’t judge their fellow countrymen by religion, language or caste. It seems to me that you are still veiwing India with a lens of the 50s, 60s & 70s and you seem to have slept through the last 20 years or so. The current generation of Indians, whether Punjabis or Sindhis or even Muslims want absolutely no part of Pakistan or Pakistanis. And this is coming to you from a punjabi.

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By: vamsey http://blogs.reuters.com/india/2010/05/29/in-kashmir-nearly-half-favour-independence/comment-page-1/#comment-13977 Tue, 01 Jun 2010 20:00:53 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/india/?p=3306#comment-13977 @ Pakistan—I’m a Hyderabadi(India) and I started appreciating the greatness of my country(india) only after coming to US bcoz As a student i was helped by a Gujarati and a Punjabi family during my stay there and they looked after me just like a family member n d only thing wich bonds us is the word “INDIAN”.As Rajeev mentioned we would prefer to stay with Sindhis,Punjabis or Bengalis rather than even thinking about 2 living wid u guys jus on religious or traditional lines.

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By: RajeevK http://blogs.reuters.com/india/2010/05/29/in-kashmir-nearly-half-favour-independence/comment-page-1/#comment-13976 Tue, 01 Jun 2010 16:58:25 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/india/?p=3306#comment-13976 @One thing is sure that the Punjabis living in India and Pakistan would rather live together as one nation rather than living with people of different cultures and traditions, namely Pashtoons, Bengalis, Sindhis etc. etc.”
–RExminor

—Well, I am a Punjabi from India. what u said was possible before partition. 62 yrs after partition, these 2 sets of Punjabis have more dissimilarities than similarities. I cannot speak for others but I am just perfectly happy living with Bengalis than with Pakistani Punjabis for all good reasons. I get along well with them but cannot live with them….kind of they can be my guests but not room-mates.

@rather than living with people of different cultures and traditions, namely Pashtoons, Bengalis, Sindhis”
–Living together despite diversity is what India is all about. if what u said is right, then the Indians from different cultures will not get along well with each other. that is hardly true.

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By: RajeevK http://blogs.reuters.com/india/2010/05/29/in-kashmir-nearly-half-favour-independence/comment-page-1/#comment-13973 Tue, 01 Jun 2010 15:33:56 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/india/?p=3306#comment-13973 haleema11:

It may sound harsh but given the reality of the situation and the dirty play by rogue nation Pakistan/terrorists from across the border, Indian Army is killing those who are trying to disturb picnic in Kashmir. I have no idea what is ur nationality but I don’t give a damn.

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Rexminor: Could u shed more light on National Army, the examples anywhere in the world and why it would be more useful than the current non-“national” army.

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By: Harrisons99 http://blogs.reuters.com/india/2010/05/29/in-kashmir-nearly-half-favour-independence/comment-page-1/#comment-13971 Tue, 01 Jun 2010 10:48:06 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/india/?p=3306#comment-13971 This article is clearly biased article. The clear benefits of taking actions based on this article are westerners, who would certainly benefit from creating a havoc and instability in Kashmir, if Kashmir becomes an independent state. Foolish are people who follow these biased and idiotic statistic.

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