Comments on: Is Kashmir’s protest leader gaining popularity? http://blogs.reuters.com/india/2010/09/21/is-kashmirs-protest-leader-gaining-popularity/ Perspectives on South Asian politics Thu, 02 Jun 2016 08:03:22 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: G-W http://blogs.reuters.com/india/2010/09/21/is-kashmirs-protest-leader-gaining-popularity/comment-page-1/#comment-15573 Mon, 27 Sep 2010 19:39:16 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/india/?p=3670#comment-15573 @RajeevDubey,

As long as Pakistan and India have the notion that Kashmir belongs in totality to one or the other, circustances will always keep militancy alive into Indian Kashmir and Kashmiri’s will always get stuck in the middle.

India must win the hearts and minds of the Kashmiri people and they will wholeheartedly choose the Indian union over Pakistan. India has the time, money, the resources and patience and above, intelligence of ideas. A heavy hand will not win the hearts of Kashmiri’s only a gentle, methodical, intelligent and persistant approach will work.

Kashmiri leaders must be kept constantly accountable and at the table and those leaders must hold their people accountable as well. Concurrently, India needs to do a better job of policing the LOC, educating Kashmiri youth and creating jobs and infrastructure for them and bring the down the hammer of justice on militants that cross the LOC.

With enough time, Kashmiri’s will realize that India is the ONLY one, that cares to preserve their culture and their state and language, because if India does not, Pakistan will swallow, assimilate, displace Kashmiri’s by settlements.

Indian politicians need to take a more pro-active role in this regard and start creating a more friendly atmosphere and put these idle, useless mouthpieces like Geelani out of business for good.

India can take Kashmir by winning Kashmiri hearts, force will create more separatism and militantism. Again, India has the resources, money and patience, just lack of political will to engage this issue with some greater vision and spine.

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By: RajeevDubey http://blogs.reuters.com/india/2010/09/21/is-kashmirs-protest-leader-gaining-popularity/comment-page-1/#comment-15570 Mon, 27 Sep 2010 10:25:25 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/india/?p=3670#comment-15570 Kashmir belongs to whole of India and we oppose the separatist agenda of taking it away by force. We will rise against this democratically. We will mobilize the masses. India will not allow this to happen. We invite our separation demanading citizens to live with us peacefully. Our opinion is becoming vocal and India shall fight this false claim of a separate identity of Kashmir:

http://blogthesong.blogspot.com/2010/09/ kashmir.html
http://calltothenation.blogspot.com/2010  /08/red-fort-address-of-prime-minister- aug.html

On YouTube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uc_6uAfW8 Uw

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By: 777xxx777 http://blogs.reuters.com/india/2010/09/21/is-kashmirs-protest-leader-gaining-popularity/comment-page-1/#comment-15562 Sun, 26 Sep 2010 12:22:20 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/india/?p=3670#comment-15562 @G-W
“The best way to deal with Geelani’s is avoid them and ignore them and focus on building Kashmiri infrastructure, give them jobs, food, water, and the necessities to live a good life, none of those Geelani’s can offer such things and neither can Pakistan.”

HOW?? U c whenever India tries development in Kashmir the militancy doesn’t let it take roots. There cannot be progress without first getting rid of militancy. So to get around with militancy we need military. With military comes Geelani. So its a deadlock and only way to break it is do ‘Danda’ to pakistan while not touching Geelani. If Pakistan is set right then India can very easily go on with development work in Kashmir but NOT before that even if we want to.

@ypmhaskar
Use your head man and not heart. Killing Geelani would lead to rioting all over country which will be a huge huge setback for India’s economic progress so far. As I said problem for India is Pakistan and NOT Kashmir. Whenever u have to kill evil start from top!

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By: G-W http://blogs.reuters.com/india/2010/09/21/is-kashmirs-protest-leader-gaining-popularity/comment-page-1/#comment-15559 Sat, 25 Sep 2010 20:17:59 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/india/?p=3670#comment-15559 vpmhaskar, you said:

“Leaders like Gilani and M or any leaders who are anti india should be publicly hanged in Srinagar chowk.”

–>Wrong answer. Violence begets violence and this will turn public opinion against India and create him into a martyr.

The best way to deal with Geelani’s is avoid them and ignore them and focus on building Kashmiri infrastructure, give them jobs, food, water, and the necessities to live a good life, none of those Geelani’s can offer such things and neither can Pakistan.

You cannot lose if you take the higher road. We have to give to Kashmiri’s a little more to keep them happy and a part of India. It is those inequities which make them turn to religious stooges sent by Pakistan.

In a democracy, it is a necessary evil sometimes to allow those to talk, who are poisonous and create disunity. India can certainly change the laws. For example, Pakistan makes all PoK politicians swear allegiance to Pakistan, before they run in politics. Perhaps India can do the same.

The UN is an impotent entity and have not mustered the political or moral will to stop genocides, let alone enforce the 1948 kashmir resolutions. India is alone and always will be, unless they have something the west wants.

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By: ypmhaskar http://blogs.reuters.com/india/2010/09/21/is-kashmirs-protest-leader-gaining-popularity/comment-page-1/#comment-15549 Sat, 25 Sep 2010 07:18:29 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/india/?p=3670#comment-15549 Our Govt. is too weak. Instead they should have been pressurizing to get POK in our control. Long back demographic situation was changed by Pakistan backed militants, leaving scores of pandits leaving behind their property and now they cry hoarse that Indian Govt. is trying to change the demography. Scrap immediately Article 370 which in fact is giving protection to Pakistan backed people. Also forcefully ask for our Kashmir which is now controlled by Pak. Leaders like Gilani and M or any leaders who are anti india should be publicly hanged in Srinagar chowk. We are tolerating them beyond limits.
Withdraw our issue posted with UN and tell the world that we will take care of our land on our own. Enough is enough.

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By: 777xxx777 http://blogs.reuters.com/india/2010/09/21/is-kashmirs-protest-leader-gaining-popularity/comment-page-1/#comment-15545 Sat, 25 Sep 2010 02:20:56 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/india/?p=3670#comment-15545 @G-W
“Until pakistan becomes politically more coherent and better governed, it will continue to use the Kashmir issue as a tool of national unity.”

It is not a problem with politics. Bhutto was ready to put India on backburner and move on to build Pakistan. Needless to say anything about her popularity and chances of winning general elections. But putting Kashmir on back burner would have severely undermined importance of PA in Pakistan and musharaff did not wanted it so he went on to get Bhutto murdered. So problem is not with politics it is with PA. Problem is Pakistan is same as that was is USSR. In USSR KGB started to call shots and in Pakistan its PA. PA is a Frankenstein created initially as a political tool but now its out of control and virtually rules Pakistan. Ever wondered why Army only and why not Pakistan navy or airforce is in news. That tells the whole story.

And then the people of Pakistan have to understand that by shouting “Kashmir banega Pakistan” they become easy fodder for corrupt politicians who fool them in name of enmity with India and then when elected suck their own people’s blood. And to top it all there are people like Rex who say Pakistan should not accept aid from India and that illegal activities by PA and ISI are just illusions.

But i firmly believe that India should do solid ‘Danda’ to Pakistan as was done by Vajpayee and get Pakistan on talking table constantly. As I said before Kashmir is not a problem for India, it is Pakistan that is the real ache in head.

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By: G-W http://blogs.reuters.com/india/2010/09/21/is-kashmirs-protest-leader-gaining-popularity/comment-page-1/#comment-15542 Fri, 24 Sep 2010 16:36:33 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/india/?p=3670#comment-15542 @777,

Cementing the LOC as the defacto border would be another great solution.

Unfortunately the creed of Pakistani and Islamic politics in the region does not support a discussion based on precedence, historical ownership of Kashmir and international law. Herein lies the problem. Pakistani State agencies use the militants as agents to foment trouble in Kashmir and create agitation to such a level that a proper discussion becomes impossible to even initiate.

The youth of kashmir have been perverted to throw bricks, rather than use the minds that God gave them to get involved in the political process, get educated.

There is nothing indicated, nor any sort of olive branch indicated by Islamabad that they want a peaceful solution on Kashmir, that is why the militancy is vibrant and almost self-sustaining now.

Islamabad has successfully created and fueled the cycle of hate and violence in Kashmir and destroyed another generation of youth to throw bricks at Indian soldiers, in that respect, Kashmiri youth have been used as a cheap basis to conduct assymetrical warfare on India, with little financial resources.

The Kashmiri’s have to start using their own mind and decide if they want their children and teenagers to become proxy war fodder for Pakistan by throwing bricks and getting shot at, or do they want to keep them home, educate them and teach them a moderate, civilized approach to dealing with their problems, because in the end, this approach will gift the Kashmiri’s with the tools to legitimately tackle their self-determination and azadi issues.

Until Pakistan offers a compromise on Kashmir, from the top, involving the Army, they will continue to hide behind Kashmiri youth fodder. Unfortunately, everytime Kashmiri youth throw bricks, this prompts the India soldiers to retaliate, to maintain security and the results are never good for Kashmiri youths.

India has been willing historically to compromise, but the Pakistani’s much take a more conciliatory approach, rather than hoarding all of Kashmir for itself.

The fair compromise, right off the bat would be making the LOC the defacto border and endorsing it in writing.

Until pakistan becomes politically more coherent and better governed, it will continue to use the Kashmir issue as a tool of national unity. Therefore, currently it is not really in the interest of Pakistan to seek compromise on Kashmir, because it would mean losing a tool of national unity at a time when Pakistan is politically fragmented and weak.

Kashmiri’s will continue to suffer as Pakistan remains politically fragmented as their cause is needed to keep Pakistani politics united, with respect to India.

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By: 777xxx777 http://blogs.reuters.com/india/2010/09/21/is-kashmirs-protest-leader-gaining-popularity/comment-page-1/#comment-15522 Fri, 24 Sep 2010 02:49:07 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/india/?p=3670#comment-15522 Till date true answer to kashmir problems was found by Mr. Vajpayee only. He almost got pakistan into accepting LOC as border. The day that happens the pakistan will be forced to stop its so called JIHAD against India or at least India will have legitimate reason to pre-empt a strike inside Pakistan to stop anti-India activities. And then India can go on doing progress work inside its Kashmir and youth will have jobs and work. Even now central government should scrap Article 370 and let there be investment in Kashmir and let youth get job and progress. But trouble is again Pakistan backed militancy. So problem from India’s viewpoint is NOT Kashmir instead problem for India is Pakistan. If India can somehow make Pakistan accept LOC as international border then Kashmiris will be more happier in Indian Union and may be 3-4 generation later they will not even recognize themselves with Pakistan.

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By: G-W http://blogs.reuters.com/india/2010/09/21/is-kashmirs-protest-leader-gaining-popularity/comment-page-1/#comment-15519 Fri, 24 Sep 2010 02:22:38 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/india/?p=3670#comment-15519 @Sheik, Bloggers, Minister Krishna of India tells Pakistan to vacate regions of PoK, if it wants discussion on Kashmir….read on…..

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/arti cleshow/6617179.cms

This is the sort of equal discussion on Kashmir we need to ask Sheik.

What do Pakistani’s think of Pakistan illegally occupying parts of PoK?

Pakistani’s eerily go silent on that issue…if India should vacate India, why should Pakistan not do the same and give true azadi to Kashmiri’s?….the real fact is that Pakistan is using Kashmir as a false flag trojan horse operation to grab more land from India.

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By: G-W http://blogs.reuters.com/india/2010/09/21/is-kashmirs-protest-leader-gaining-popularity/comment-page-1/#comment-15508 Thu, 23 Sep 2010 19:27:24 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/india/?p=3670#comment-15508 @Rehmat,

You would be surprised to find out that a lot of these uprising or so-called “separatists” or “freedom fighters”, a lot of them, at the top are actually paid agitators, usually paid to incite violence and dissention from outside state agencies, it is like that in countries all over the world and Kashmir is not different.

They organize well and it gives the bored, disenfranchised, low-self esteem youth a mission in life and these things take on a life of their, like a mob mentality and many of the times, actually has little to do with the true issues at hand, but fighting makes people feel alive, the adrenalin, it is really no different than a riot outside of a bar, where patrons challenge the police.

Therefore, Indians, Kashmiri’s and Pakistan need to have a collective three way discussion, free from agitators, free from Pak State agency duress, free from militant duress and have several third parties dissect the Kashmir issue from the context of international law, 1948 resolutions, ascension of Maharaja Hari Singh and of course involve a sensible discussion with the educated, calm-minded people of Kashmir, those with a vision of peace and vision of collaberation.

Azadi can come to Kashmiri’s from BOTH Pakistan and India, but trying to nail any true leaders with sane voices from any party currently seems like nailing jelly to the wall.

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