Comments on: I don’t trust you, either http://blogs.reuters.com/jackshafer/2011/09/29/i-dont-trust-you-either/ Tue, 10 Feb 2015 19:54:39 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: lairdwilcox http://blogs.reuters.com/jackshafer/2011/09/29/i-dont-trust-you-either/#comment-121 Sun, 02 Oct 2011 14:51:26 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/jackshafer/?p=93#comment-121 I think there’s a growing awareness of bias, sometimes heavy bias in the form of blatant promotion of an idea, or in the form of spiking it so as to render it seemingly unimportant, in all levels of the news media. As it has been said, nothing is more disillusioning than in knowing a great deal about a subject and then seeing how the news media deals with it.

American media has become particularly partisan, with MSNBC and Fox News standing out on the left and right respectively. Many years ago the BBC radio service had a reputation for fairly dry and measured news reporting that at least had the appearance of objectivity. This may not be the case now but I wish we could return to at least one source who would really inject some balance and fairness into news coverage, perhaps by giving opposing points of view on significant issues. Most editorial pages support the dominant company view with an occasional renegade column for appearances sake — a token liberal or conservative from time to time.

People are not stupid. Even when I see something that I agree with I’m put off when it goes overboard in its favor. We just want honesty, even if we wish something were or weren’t true. Give it a try, please.

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By: SpotTheDog http://blogs.reuters.com/jackshafer/2011/09/29/i-dont-trust-you-either/#comment-120 Sun, 02 Oct 2011 07:28:53 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/jackshafer/?p=93#comment-120 Hey, Jack, miss you at Slate, you can thank Weigel for linking over to this. It *was* a long time ago, what, no goodbye? It was the fresca or whatever that Plotz wanted you to write, that’s what drove you away, isn’t it? Too bad, I was looking forward to yours.

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By: paintcan http://blogs.reuters.com/jackshafer/2011/09/29/i-dont-trust-you-either/#comment-118 Sat, 01 Oct 2011 15:14:29 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/jackshafer/?p=93#comment-118 I gave up TV news broadcasts years ago because at the start of the Afghanistan and Iraq invasions it was too obvious that the major networks was too uncritical and too entertaining about all of it. There was too much patriotic bunting and not so subliminal bolstering of the crusade. Even “embedded journalists” was propaganda being sold as objectivity. The administration knew it could never have attempted to draft popular support for its imperial pretensions so they tried to seduce and control the media through selective inclusion of “the chosen”.

Even the word “Homeland” was somehow invented overnight by either the Bush administration or the media. Embedded journalists and news items and journalists that were being paid to report stories favorable to the administration did not help the news industry’s credibility one bit. The media are profit driven enterprises in the business of attracting customers. It is foolish to expect truth. There is no such creature as “the truth”. The best one can do is attempt to understand complex webs of relationships or causes and effects. And there is never a final answer. The popular media loves to present issues as truth or falsehood. Their viewers don’t seem to like the ambiguities of life and there’s always FOX news to soothe their aching heads.

Imperial powers tend to be ruthless. Historically, They never tried to “win hearts and minds” as if they were a church looking for converts, but tended to kill off anything that stood in their way. An imperial country, almost be definition, is a bully, thief and rapist. They also tend to know that the only thing that truly wins “hearts and minds” is bribery and terror. The US has not stinted on bribery and theft and it peddles inconceivable terror as “just what has to be done”. How many WTC equivalents, in terms of both lives and building volume have been destroyed since 9/11 in Afghanistan and Iraq alone?

It ought to be a sobering lesson to the imperialist instincts in us all that the farther the political establishment attempts to stretch the country’s influence, the more tenuous its grasp of its power base seems to become. A country’s prestige and power is not an ever-expanding blanket that can be instantly woven to cover everyone. Democracy, and especially a Constitution, is not something that can be easily imposed on the vanquished. By definitions it is supposed to grow from the grass roots and be a reflection of a country’s own traditions and expectations. The popular media tended to have very little interest (and still don’t show much interest) in the local populations and has very selective memories about this country’s past involvement with the very counties it had helped to make the way they were. The people who were suddenly raised to prominence in both Afghanistan and Iraq seemed to appear out of nowhere. Their own countrymen didn’t seem to know who they were.

Populations and politicians can be made drunk and stoned on their own vainglory and propaganda. When their power erodes and they find they have been led into ruins, they finally wake up and realize they were on quite a bender.

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By: Mind76 http://blogs.reuters.com/jackshafer/2011/09/29/i-dont-trust-you-either/#comment-117 Sat, 01 Oct 2011 14:53:30 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/jackshafer/?p=93#comment-117 1Aspect sums it up exactly- thank you for the concise and spot on comments.

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By: eleno http://blogs.reuters.com/jackshafer/2011/09/29/i-dont-trust-you-either/#comment-116 Sat, 01 Oct 2011 12:47:13 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/jackshafer/?p=93#comment-116 The man wrote for Slate – enough said.

Just from that one simple fact one can infer his political bias. Hardly worth reading the article.

Another ho hum is that he now writes for an organization – Reuters – that is probably the least trustworthy of all the media outlets. Recall the Photoshopped images they regularly send out (example Israeli/Lebanese conflict).

Of course, the public does not trust the news; of course all media outlets now have been shown to have bias. It is more a mark of the sophistication of viewers and the disingenuous nature of people like Jack who pepper their articles, not with balance, but with a very strong left wing bias.

And Jack does not think we’d notice and is now a little pissed off that we do.

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By: fred5407 http://blogs.reuters.com/jackshafer/2011/09/29/i-dont-trust-you-either/#comment-115 Sat, 01 Oct 2011 12:26:27 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/jackshafer/?p=93#comment-115 I think the poles are accurate, from what I hear from friends and associates. Most new reporters that I see have a warped view of the world due to the way they were taught, and the company they keep. Generally the way the news is currently being reported is a travesty. If you can help avoid the trainwreck that is coming in the journalism ranks please do it Jack, and stop complaining.

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By: Robertla http://blogs.reuters.com/jackshafer/2011/09/29/i-dont-trust-you-either/#comment-114 Sat, 01 Oct 2011 11:34:09 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/jackshafer/?p=93#comment-114 Maybe it’s like a lot of our other professions, these days…….it’s hard to make money, unless you sacrifice quantity for quality……..pump out more stories, no time to check facts. Audience share is more important than truth.

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By: Teachertaughter http://blogs.reuters.com/jackshafer/2011/09/29/i-dont-trust-you-either/#comment-113 Sat, 01 Oct 2011 11:05:54 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/jackshafer/?p=93#comment-113 I had a course in American Studies in college, way back in 1970. To prove the point that what we read in the newspaper is almost entirely conjecture, opinion, & speculation, with minimal facts, the professor took out a felt-tipped pen and circled “factual” statements on the opening pages of the L A Times. You can imagine how much of those 3 to 4 pages represented “fact”. We also discussed the “fear” tactics of journalists/media to lure in readers. If you were to look at any given day’s news headlines posted on Yahoo, for example, they are almost all sensational, disturbing, even “armageddonish”. Shock and awe… that’s what the media delivers to us. Admittedly, it’s gotten that way because the public’s attention span is that of a gnat. A “NEWS ALERT”… that carries as much meaning as Tony the Tiger’s “It’s GRRREATTTT!” This shock & awe approach is what we’re witnessing in the political sphere too – frighten the daylights out of the public and they’ll support anything. Regarding the Pew survey on trust, the public’s lack of trust in the media and our political leaders gives me great hope – it’s a sign that the public shows some signs of cognition. The sheeple have begun to recognize that they are regarded as little more than open mouths. In case you didn’t notice, the media were the handmaidens who helped stop the clock in “1984”. And here’s today’s bad news: George Orwell’s stories always had sad endings. Is that fact or opinion?

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By: 1Aspect http://blogs.reuters.com/jackshafer/2011/09/29/i-dont-trust-you-either/#comment-112 Sat, 01 Oct 2011 08:57:32 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/jackshafer/?p=93#comment-112 So, Jack, to distill your doublespeak, you attribute the problem with readers’ and viwers’ mistrust to Fox or MSNBC news; and/or to themselves.

Personally, Jack, I think the problem is “journalists” like YOU, who try to spoon-feed and re-interpret and spin and deny when your JOB supposedly is to report FACTS, ACCURATELY.

Your piece offers few to none of the FACTS upon which you supposedly base its assertions.

I’m not buying it. Like the majority of the skeptical public, I can think for myself, most especially without the help of a writer whose very basis of operation is a pre-assumed mistrust of my judgement.

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By: zhmileskendig http://blogs.reuters.com/jackshafer/2011/09/29/i-dont-trust-you-either/#comment-111 Sat, 01 Oct 2011 08:41:26 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/jackshafer/?p=93#comment-111 And now, turning to page three more on the continuing saga of Rupert Murdoch.

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