Comments on: Nate Silver and a general theory of media exodus http://blogs.reuters.com/jackshafer/2013/07/22/nate-silver-and-a-general-theory-of-media-exodus/ Tue, 10 Feb 2015 19:54:39 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: DRN0001 http://blogs.reuters.com/jackshafer/2013/07/22/nate-silver-and-a-general-theory-of-media-exodus/#comment-14624 Mon, 29 Jul 2013 14:26:53 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/jackshafer/?p=1815#comment-14624 CJR just called this post a ‘must-read’. Congrats!
http://www.cjr.org/the_kicker/must-reads _of_the_week_26.php

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By: PCScipio http://blogs.reuters.com/jackshafer/2013/07/22/nate-silver-and-a-general-theory-of-media-exodus/#comment-14607 Wed, 24 Jul 2013 14:09:19 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/jackshafer/?p=1815#comment-14607 brotherkenny4, I think you meant to say “the Times had one who’s answers fit into their preconceptions.” I don’t think anyone believes Silver skewed his projections to enhance the NYT bottom line. It is what it is; that perhaps you didn’t like what he projected, and that it was accurate, was neither Silver’s nor the Times’ fault.

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By: brotherkenny4 http://blogs.reuters.com/jackshafer/2013/07/22/nate-silver-and-a-general-theory-of-media-exodus/#comment-14602 Tue, 23 Jul 2013 20:20:54 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/jackshafer/?p=1815#comment-14602 Stats nerds exist everywhere. The Times had one who would fit his answers into their preconceptions. Most won’t do that however. If the Times wasn’t worried about advertisers, or their owners opinion, they could find nearly an infinite number of other stats people to give them this same analysis. This guy was not a special individual, he was like most people associated with the press these days, he was compliant with the companies desire for money. Truth could happen, but only first after checking whether it would hurt the bottom line.

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By: skeptical-cynic http://blogs.reuters.com/jackshafer/2013/07/22/nate-silver-and-a-general-theory-of-media-exodus/#comment-14601 Tue, 23 Jul 2013 18:43:16 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/jackshafer/?p=1815#comment-14601 While I largely agree with the thoughts above, I also think the tone of the discussion is much more indicative of the insularity and arrogance of much of the mainstream media, especially those focused on politics. NYT, WSJ and many other daily reporters frequently so ensconced in the circles they cover. New ideas, and more importantly, new methods of understanding information are frequently dismissed because they don’t rely on personal relationships that have historically driven reporting. And although the sports world is filled with prognosticators, the metric of success – did you pick the winner? – is transparent to all. Political writers, and dailies like the NYT and WSJ have never embraced that transparency.

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By: Banj0man http://blogs.reuters.com/jackshafer/2013/07/22/nate-silver-and-a-general-theory-of-media-exodus/#comment-14600 Tue, 23 Jul 2013 17:41:19 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/jackshafer/?p=1815#comment-14600 Sounds to me like folks still believe the hype of the New York Times. Note to readers–the National Enquirer has always been more popular than NYTimes with Americans.

Actual facts about _popularity_ always irritate elitist “thinkers.”

Read Silver’s book, the signal and the noise. He only started paying attention to politics in 2006 because Congress started to outlaw online gambling which was his major source of income at the time.

He made the 538 site to make fun of political wonks, not because he is one.

Here’s a simple question. How many people will watch Nate Silver on ABC/ESPN vs how many currently read him on the NY Times firewalled site?

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By: CDN_Rebel http://blogs.reuters.com/jackshafer/2013/07/22/nate-silver-and-a-general-theory-of-media-exodus/#comment-14599 Tue, 23 Jul 2013 17:25:09 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/jackshafer/?p=1815#comment-14599 A great author used to say that great test of one’s spirit was to read the tag ‘all the news that’s fit to print’ and check if it still was nauseating every day. NYT is not some holy grail; it’s really not even that great. Unfortunately it’s probably the best of the American dailies. The same author used to say that ‘the only reason to read the NYT was to know what everyone else thought they knew’. Exactly!

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By: Bob9999 http://blogs.reuters.com/jackshafer/2013/07/22/nate-silver-and-a-general-theory-of-media-exodus/#comment-14598 Tue, 23 Jul 2013 17:19:27 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/jackshafer/?p=1815#comment-14598 Generally, people are not being fired don’t leave jobs where they are happy to stay. But it is only rarely that the true reason for a voluntary departure is money. Usually, it’s about respect in one form or another. The degree to which a volunarily departing employee is happy to leave varies from situation to situation, and we the voyeurs of the general public do not have much visibility into the situation in this case.

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By: Barry_D http://blogs.reuters.com/jackshafer/2013/07/22/nate-silver-and-a-general-theory-of-media-exodus/#comment-14597 Tue, 23 Jul 2013 14:00:50 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/jackshafer/?p=1815#comment-14597 Seconding sylvan here.

“As Times Public Editor Margaret Sullivan writes today, Silver’s “probability-based” methods annoyed other political writers at the paper. At a place like the Times, where the newspaper is supposed to be the superstar, Silver’s eminence had to have grated managers and colleagues.”

If you read her column, you’ll note certain words which are absent: truth, accuracy, reality, ‘getting it right’. She made it rather clear to those willing to see that the NYT doesn’t give a rat’s @ss about accuracy when covering elections.

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By: sylvan http://blogs.reuters.com/jackshafer/2013/07/22/nate-silver-and-a-general-theory-of-media-exodus/#comment-14596 Tue, 23 Jul 2013 10:56:35 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/jackshafer/?p=1815#comment-14596 The descriptions of the poisoned attitude against Silver at NYT sound incredibly childish and unprofessionals; like the editors have lost control. It is hard to forget pathetic pap peddler David Brooks’ whinging that Silver’s math could not possibly predict the winner of 2012. He was overtly and loudly wrong, but never apologized to Silver. NYT needs a timely and accurate barometer of their paying readers’ value for each of their opinion writers; if that happened, a lot of their so-called moderate opinion writers would be gone because they peddle nothing but meh vanilla pablum, without sources or supporting facts. Today’s information workers rely on data, and Nate delivered the goods for asking the right questions, most importantly; then crunching the numbers to yield the probabilities. He will be even more sorely missed when we see David Brooks and Frank Bruni still have columns.

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By: BruceMcF http://blogs.reuters.com/jackshafer/2013/07/22/nate-silver-and-a-general-theory-of-media-exodus/#comment-14595 Mon, 22 Jul 2013 23:36:00 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/jackshafer/?p=1815#comment-14595 Just as a personal anecdote … after the decline in NYT economics reporting over the past decade, the only time since the NYT set up their paywall that I had to resort to additional devices to read all the stories I wanted to read was reading 538 in the final few months of the 2012 election.

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