Comments on: Don’t fear the Internet of things http://blogs.reuters.com/jackshafer/2014/01/10/dont-fear-the-internet-of-things/ Tue, 10 Feb 2015 19:54:39 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: UScitizentoo http://blogs.reuters.com/jackshafer/2014/01/10/dont-fear-the-internet-of-things/#comment-16491 Tue, 14 Jan 2014 04:54:10 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/jackshafer/?p=2402#comment-16491 > I’ve never been sued by a door.
Well of course the billion dollar question is – what about infrastructure that is more telling than a door. Car use, food purchased, pills popped, RFID in everything from your kids smelly diaper to the hair color in your bathroom, magazines, internet usage, guns purchased, ammunition on hand, food preferences, supplies purchased and on and on. Basically your life. At the disposal of the government.

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By: OneOfTheSheep http://blogs.reuters.com/jackshafer/2014/01/10/dont-fear-the-internet-of-things/#comment-16487 Sun, 12 Jan 2014 20:39:50 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/jackshafer/?p=2402#comment-16487 @tmc,

And my point is “it doesn’t WHICH government agency gathers all this information if it is then accessible to all agencies without question or permission. So, at what point will you, if ever, want to tell the NSA “ENOUGH!”?

Wait long enough and it won’t matter.

You say: “I don’t fear my government.” Well I do, always aware of Thomas Jefferson’s warning that “Any government powerful enough to give you anything you want is also powerful enough to take everything that you have.”

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By: tmc http://blogs.reuters.com/jackshafer/2014/01/10/dont-fear-the-internet-of-things/#comment-16486 Sun, 12 Jan 2014 19:07:37 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/jackshafer/?p=2402#comment-16486 @OOTS, I tend to be a bit of a nerd ( I work with them all day). My point is that the Medicare agency does not inventory your device. Nor do the majority of the agency web sites. The NSA? For sure. That’s what they do. Probably a few more “justice” agencies too.
Since I’m not a politician seeking office, or a defense contractor, I really don’t care what the government collects on me as long as they don’t leak it outside of the government. If corporate America get’s ahold of it, it very likely will be used against me, or leaked to hackers. Again, I don’t fear my government. They’re incapable of anything unless directed by corporate masters.

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By: OneOfTheSheep http://blogs.reuters.com/jackshafer/2014/01/10/dont-fear-the-internet-of-things/#comment-16485 Sun, 12 Jan 2014 18:00:17 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/jackshafer/?p=2402#comment-16485 @tmc,

I appreciate your opinion on this, but I remember Bill Clinton’s obtuse “answers” when being impeached, must specifically how to interpret the word “is”. Even today the Supreme Court is refereeing the interpretation the White House made regarding their authority to make interim appointments and there are judges on both side of the issue of the government sweeping up EVERY cell phone conversation in the name of national security.

When our government is so bold as to just go ahead with whatever wants, interpreting the laws to their own convenience and benefit (or ignoring them entirely) andleaving the burden of objection to citizens on their own time at their own cost, there is GREAT danger.

In this context, I have NO trust that greed government minions would even slow down if they had genuine interest in what is on my computer. In fact, I would tend to think they would take each “AGREE” on a government site as the signal to put that machine in the queue to be swept up and kept just like our cell phone information.

I truly we’re looking at another case here of “I did not object while they came for the Jews…and then they came for me!”

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By: tmc http://blogs.reuters.com/jackshafer/2014/01/10/dont-fear-the-internet-of-things/#comment-16484 Sun, 12 Jan 2014 16:56:00 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/jackshafer/?p=2402#comment-16484 Actually @OOTS, your PC is not connected to their network and is not covered under the disclaimer. In this case the government is not “sniffing” your computer. anything you access with http or https is not a “connection”. Though modern browsers now support the WebSockets programming model, it will be many years before the government in general will use them. You are correct though that our PC is not your own. You and everyone else that uses the internet has implicitly signed away your wrights to basically anything and everything on your PC or other device. The tech industry and their lawyers have perfected the “EULA” or End User license Agreement. You have agreed to many of them without knowing it. Some of the worst offenders are the largest tech companies like Adobe, Microsoft, Google, and FaceBook. Adobe runs an entire “secret network” with its Flash and PDF readers. You cant use the internet without them really. Ever wonder why your PC takes so long to start? They have “update” programs that run the instant you start your PC and report back to home base. A casual web user would have four to ten of these programs on their device all trying to report home every time you start up. Gets slow after a while. Don’t worry though, its all perfectly legal and as I said, you agreed to it. Corporate America is far, far more dangerous to America than the US Government is. Any they use the power of the mainstream media, which they own, to make sure you hate the government and not them. Besides, the government is nothing more than a loose, poorly maintained joint venture by various corporations at various times.

Nice chatting again @OOTS.

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By: 2Borknot2B http://blogs.reuters.com/jackshafer/2014/01/10/dont-fear-the-internet-of-things/#comment-16483 Sat, 11 Jan 2014 23:36:43 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/jackshafer/?p=2402#comment-16483 Awesome Jack, tmc and oneofthesheep, as usual.

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By: OneOfTheSheep http://blogs.reuters.com/jackshafer/2014/01/10/dont-fear-the-internet-of-things/#comment-16482 Sat, 11 Jan 2014 21:27:48 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/jackshafer/?p=2402#comment-16482 @tmc,

a paper form is inert, unconnected. When one uses a computer THEY BOUGHT AND PAID FOR AND OWN, PRIVATELY to access a U,S Government web site, for access to same one now must give up any expectation of privacy to information on THEIR OWN COMPUTER, which meets the Government’s definition of “…all computers connected to this network, and (4) all devices and storage media attached to this network or to a computer on this network”.

By clicking “Accept” to such terms and conditions the Government need no longer get a search warrant or further notify an individual in any manner if they decide it is in the interests of “national security” to download and examine anything and everything from YOUR COMPUTER or any HARD DISK, FLASH DRIVE or CLOUD ACCOUNT, which you now agree is part of “…a U.S. Government information system…”.

I ran into this same disclaimer when accessing the FAA web site! Personal information on ANY personal computer becomes an oxymoron for anyone who needs to interact with any federal agency online.

With your personal acceptance of these conditions you, as an individual, give up all rights to any information on your computer including any passwords stored thereon.

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By: tmc http://blogs.reuters.com/jackshafer/2014/01/10/dont-fear-the-internet-of-things/#comment-16481 Sat, 11 Jan 2014 19:22:46 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/jackshafer/?p=2402#comment-16481 @OOTS, I don’t understand your concern, what if the statement was on top of a paper form:
“You are accessing a U.S. Government information system which includes: (1) The paper form you filled out, (2) The processors desk (3) all other desks in the agency, and (4) all folders, drawers, and filing cabinets this agency has. By using this information system, you understand and consent to the flowing:
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Big brother always has had the same information, just in old analog ways that were slow and difficult to access.

So, what’s the difference?
In my post I was talking about the security of information from corporations and hackers who would use the information for profit or malicious intent. They could do the same thing 30 years ago with government data if they could get to the filing room and make a copy of the form you filled out.

I fully understand your angst against our government, I share the sentiment. But in the context of this article it seems a bit out of place. Unless the angst is about the government not regulating the internet well enough to ensure its citizens are safe.

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By: OneOfTheSheep http://blogs.reuters.com/jackshafer/2014/01/10/dont-fear-the-internet-of-things/#comment-16480 Sat, 11 Jan 2014 18:39:10 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/jackshafer/?p=2402#comment-16480 I’m MUCH more concerned about actions by our overreaching post-Snowden government. The other day, trying to resolve an issue with Medicare (after a 45 minute wait to speak to a functionally useless idiot with no authority and no accountability) I decided to try their “Live Chat”. Here’s the three-paragraph Disclaimer that popped up:

“You are accessing a U.S. Government information system which includes: (1) This computer, (2) this computer network, (3) all computers connected to this network, and (4) all devices and storage media attached to this network or to a computer on this network. [snip] By using this information system, you understand and consent to the flowing:

You have no reasonable expectation of privacy concerning any communication or data transiting or stored on this information system. At any time, and for any lawful Government purpose, the Government may monitor, intercept, and search and seize any communication or data transiting or stored on this information system.

Any communication or data transiting or stored on this information system may be disclosed or used for any lawful Government purpose.”

Unless one clicks the “Accept” button, “we, the people” can no longer access information collected for our use and maintained at our expense. There was no discussion. There was no vote. We have no say when faceless, unelected bureaucrats unilaterally imposed such conditions on us in the course of getting through our day to day lives. BIG BROTHER is here!

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By: tmc http://blogs.reuters.com/jackshafer/2014/01/10/dont-fear-the-internet-of-things/#comment-16479 Sat, 11 Jan 2014 14:45:36 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/jackshafer/?p=2402#comment-16479 Neat article Jack! The Internet is only a transition into a new era. It will not last long now in its current form. It was designed at its core for highly ethical and moral people to use to interact with each other. It was never designed for the general public, social trends, and definitely NOT for capitalism even at a national level. International trade with the current IoT is actually ludicrous. It is becoming obvious now and changes will have to be made. Many other countries are far ahead of the US in this regard. But then again their countries aren’t run by mega-corporations.

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