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		<title>By: Jeff Gold</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Gold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 15:58:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They dont get it!! .. They will crush and cripple the market..  I pray for this country for the next few years..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They dont get it!! .. They will crush and cripple the market..  I pray for this country for the next few years..</p>
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		<title>By: freemarkets</title>
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		<dc:creator>freemarkets</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 12:23:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I completely get the public wealth envy and the hatred of Goldman Sachs making all of this money out of thin air.  So if the public is mad about Goldman don&#039;t punish us the little guy.  How about making them either make loans or rescind their status as a commercial bank which gives this all of this free leverage, or better yet charge them 2 percentage points more of interest or more on the money they are borrowing to get that leverage.  I do think something needs to be done, but the something does not need to be another tax on the American People to facilitate Welfare payments in this case Corporate Welfare Payments to Goldman.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I completely get the public wealth envy and the hatred of Goldman Sachs making all of this money out of thin air.  So if the public is mad about Goldman don&#8217;t punish us the little guy.  How about making them either make loans or rescind their status as a commercial bank which gives this all of this free leverage, or better yet charge them 2 percentage points more of interest or more on the money they are borrowing to get that leverage.  I do think something needs to be done, but the something does not need to be another tax on the American People to facilitate Welfare payments in this case Corporate Welfare Payments to Goldman.</p>
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		<title>By: freemarkets</title>
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		<dc:creator>freemarkets</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 02:51:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also to Robert Green, Great Post, spot on.  These whiners are just mad because they tried to day trade and could not take the pain.  They probably don&#039;t understand easy language or the difference between stocastics, macd, or who bollinger is.  American people need to get over this Wealth Envy problem and start making money instead of crying to congress to help them steal it from the people who are working so hard to make more of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also to Robert Green, Great Post, spot on.  These whiners are just mad because they tried to day trade and could not take the pain.  They probably don&#8217;t understand easy language or the difference between stocastics, macd, or who bollinger is.  American people need to get over this Wealth Envy problem and start making money instead of crying to congress to help them steal it from the people who are working so hard to make more of it.</p>
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		<title>By: freemarkets</title>
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		<dc:creator>freemarkets</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 02:46:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well I must certainly say that there are a lot of interesting comments, I especially think it is interesting that many of you criticize the man who wants to speculate with his 100,000.  Those trades employ someone at etrade and by the way, it is not whether or not he can afford it.  The bottom  line is that why should he when we could cut more entitlement spending or earmarks, and if he is smart which he is he will Shrug with Atlas, the intelligent people here will know what this means.  For once I am really glad to be on the side of Goldman Sachs and am happy Wolf was playing Tennis with Obama while on vacation, no way this thing gets steam.  Goldman has it&#039;s tentacles farther into this administration and basically High Frequency Trading is one of the last frontiers of profit for them.  Goldman Sachs people Corzine, Hormats(who was just appointed), and various others are all over Washington.  And don&#039;t forget Wolf CEO of UBS was one of BHOs largest supporters so for all you liberal wealth redistribution fans I have a suggestion.  Stop whining and learn how to trade or get a better job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I must certainly say that there are a lot of interesting comments, I especially think it is interesting that many of you criticize the man who wants to speculate with his 100,000.  Those trades employ someone at etrade and by the way, it is not whether or not he can afford it.  The bottom  line is that why should he when we could cut more entitlement spending or earmarks, and if he is smart which he is he will Shrug with Atlas, the intelligent people here will know what this means.  For once I am really glad to be on the side of Goldman Sachs and am happy Wolf was playing Tennis with Obama while on vacation, no way this thing gets steam.  Goldman has it&#8217;s tentacles farther into this administration and basically High Frequency Trading is one of the last frontiers of profit for them.  Goldman Sachs people Corzine, Hormats(who was just appointed), and various others are all over Washington.  And don&#8217;t forget Wolf CEO of UBS was one of BHOs largest supporters so for all you liberal wealth redistribution fans I have a suggestion.  Stop whining and learn how to trade or get a better job.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert A. Green, CPA</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert A. Green, CPA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 21:50:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AFL CIO (the protagonist in the new story yesterday) also insisted that Obama not drop the public option on health care a few weeks ago. They are getting very bold on the national stage. 

House member Peter De-Fazio (Dem OR) runs the bridge and tunnel committee and he is the sponsor of this financial transaction tax. If he wants to pay for roads and bridges, how about charging the users who cause these needed repairs. Doesn&#039;t that includes transportation and manufacturing workers (union members of this union) who utilize these roads and bridges.  Why tax electronic traders for transportation usage-related costs?

TARP is the only semi-valid statement to charging traders (prior sponsor language) and banks have started to pay back TARP, often with fully-provided for profits - thanks to trading profits in banks. 

Traders already pay high taxes on trading profits. Why tax them twice? TARP was paid back after-tax, not before too. 

Is this financial-transaction tax a form of taxation or extortion? Find &quot;where the money is&quot; (Herbert&#039;s NY Times story months ago) and then think up a tax to grab at more of the profits. Haven&#039;t unions gotten into trouble before for extortion-type behavior?

Haven&#039;t unions also done enough recently to help bankrupt the manufacturing industries in America with chasing jobs to Asia? Do they now want to also bankrupt traders and send those financial jobs out of this country too?

Shouldn&#039;t unions be reconsidered for trust busting as monopolies or oligarchies? Don&#039;t union members band together to collude on fixing (wages) prices and collude on strikes and other activities too? 

Ads of Detroit auto workers usually show many over-weight older workers (not all of course) and they have a bad rep for poor qualify and higher health care costs. Their jobs are protected by the unions at all expense - even the company&#039;s survival. Compare that to younger and more fit Asian workers; often beating them in the marketplace. Even the non-union auto workers of America&#039;s South, with Asian-brand factories do much better in the marketplace. 

If unions and other sponsors of the financial transaction tax want to rein in unproductive behavior, then why calculate all the money they will make on this extortion tax (which they have done)? Licking their chops of this potential tax windfall shows it&#039;s really a greedy money grab and it&#039;s not their true intention to stop fast trading. 

Fast (super-computerized) trading is the new villain that is bringing back the financial transaction tax now. This tax has been shot down by leadership on each prior try. 

How is trading (fast or slow) any less productive than building gas guzzlers that require cash for clunker programs later on, that require waste landfill fill-ups that ruin the environment and don&#039;t help this country much? How about soda manufacturing workers, or fat food workers, or other industries that lead to problems for society? Is a new ethic&#039;s czar going to decide what is productive and what is not? Traders provide liquidity, an important element of crucial financial markets - without which we all would be bartering on the farm -  and much more (been discussed by many others earlier). Trading is a clean and legal means to making an admirable living. In fact, fast trading profits on Wall Street saved us all from a depression and sinking our financial system. 

If unions fail in America, we will survive - maybe even turn around our slide into fewer jobs - but if traders fail, we are all sunk. 

Don&#039;t make traders an offer they can&#039;t refuse and extort them out of business. It&#039;s patently un-American, unethical and the wrong thing to do. 

Isn&#039;t it coldly ironic, that perverse progressive-left policies have lead to job cuts that have turned more people into online traders, as their last resort on making a living. Now the progressives want to fully bury these traders work-wise and put them on public welfare.

Robin Hood works when the rich are bad and Robin Hood is good. What about when the rich are good and Robin Hood is a just a plane old fashioned crook?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AFL CIO (the protagonist in the new story yesterday) also insisted that Obama not drop the public option on health care a few weeks ago. They are getting very bold on the national stage. </p>
<p>House member Peter De-Fazio (Dem OR) runs the bridge and tunnel committee and he is the sponsor of this financial transaction tax. If he wants to pay for roads and bridges, how about charging the users who cause these needed repairs. Doesn&#8217;t that includes transportation and manufacturing workers (union members of this union) who utilize these roads and bridges.  Why tax electronic traders for transportation usage-related costs?</p>
<p>TARP is the only semi-valid statement to charging traders (prior sponsor language) and banks have started to pay back TARP, often with fully-provided for profits &#8211; thanks to trading profits in banks. </p>
<p>Traders already pay high taxes on trading profits. Why tax them twice? TARP was paid back after-tax, not before too. </p>
<p>Is this financial-transaction tax a form of taxation or extortion? Find &#8220;where the money is&#8221; (Herbert&#8217;s NY Times story months ago) and then think up a tax to grab at more of the profits. Haven&#8217;t unions gotten into trouble before for extortion-type behavior?</p>
<p>Haven&#8217;t unions also done enough recently to help bankrupt the manufacturing industries in America with chasing jobs to Asia? Do they now want to also bankrupt traders and send those financial jobs out of this country too?</p>
<p>Shouldn&#8217;t unions be reconsidered for trust busting as monopolies or oligarchies? Don&#8217;t union members band together to collude on fixing (wages) prices and collude on strikes and other activities too? </p>
<p>Ads of Detroit auto workers usually show many over-weight older workers (not all of course) and they have a bad rep for poor qualify and higher health care costs. Their jobs are protected by the unions at all expense &#8211; even the company&#8217;s survival. Compare that to younger and more fit Asian workers; often beating them in the marketplace. Even the non-union auto workers of America&#8217;s South, with Asian-brand factories do much better in the marketplace. </p>
<p>If unions and other sponsors of the financial transaction tax want to rein in unproductive behavior, then why calculate all the money they will make on this extortion tax (which they have done)? Licking their chops of this potential tax windfall shows it&#8217;s really a greedy money grab and it&#8217;s not their true intention to stop fast trading. </p>
<p>Fast (super-computerized) trading is the new villain that is bringing back the financial transaction tax now. This tax has been shot down by leadership on each prior try. </p>
<p>How is trading (fast or slow) any less productive than building gas guzzlers that require cash for clunker programs later on, that require waste landfill fill-ups that ruin the environment and don&#8217;t help this country much? How about soda manufacturing workers, or fat food workers, or other industries that lead to problems for society? Is a new ethic&#8217;s czar going to decide what is productive and what is not? Traders provide liquidity, an important element of crucial financial markets &#8211; without which we all would be bartering on the farm &#8211;  and much more (been discussed by many others earlier). Trading is a clean and legal means to making an admirable living. In fact, fast trading profits on Wall Street saved us all from a depression and sinking our financial system. </p>
<p>If unions fail in America, we will survive &#8211; maybe even turn around our slide into fewer jobs &#8211; but if traders fail, we are all sunk. </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t make traders an offer they can&#8217;t refuse and extort them out of business. It&#8217;s patently un-American, unethical and the wrong thing to do. </p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t it coldly ironic, that perverse progressive-left policies have lead to job cuts that have turned more people into online traders, as their last resort on making a living. Now the progressives want to fully bury these traders work-wise and put them on public welfare.</p>
<p>Robin Hood works when the rich are bad and Robin Hood is good. What about when the rich are good and Robin Hood is a just a plane old fashioned crook?</p>
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		<title>By: drewbie</title>
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		<dc:creator>drewbie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 19:06:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;TAX THE RICHIES!&quot; - bob

This is a perfect example of why America isn&#039;t great anymore.  It used to be &quot;BECOME THE RICHIES!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;TAX THE RICHIES!&#8221; &#8211; bob</p>
<p>This is a perfect example of why America isn&#8217;t great anymore.  It used to be &#8220;BECOME THE RICHIES!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Investment news</title>
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		<dc:creator>Investment news</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 14:39:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The global economic slowdown has led to governments and economists taking bold steps to try and boost the economy. By and large the methods focus on increasing overall public and private expenditure which have proved popular and can stimulate the economy. However raising taxes will surely only increase the disposable income further.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The global economic slowdown has led to governments and economists taking bold steps to try and boost the economy. By and large the methods focus on increasing overall public and private expenditure which have proved popular and can stimulate the economy. However raising taxes will surely only increase the disposable income further.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 14:22:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Remember the French Revolution? Its coming to a neighborhood near you, when Urban Youth who no longer have an after school program or subsidized lunches take it out with a knife on the wealthy classes.

- Posted by Bob 

Hopefully, they&#039;ll greet you with guns.  Make your own d@mn lunch, beggar.  I worked hard for mine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Remember the French Revolution? Its coming to a neighborhood near you, when Urban Youth who no longer have an after school program or subsidized lunches take it out with a knife on the wealthy classes.</p>
<p>- Posted by Bob </p>
<p>Hopefully, they&#8217;ll greet you with guns.  Make your own d@mn lunch, beggar.  I worked hard for mine.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 14:21:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The smokescreen continues for this union, and all unions. It&#039;s a survival effort, and when a wounded animal is about to die, they attack.  The unions are all about survival, on the backs of their members, and anyone who will listen, and then allow themselves to be soaked for a dollar, or a million.  Unions claim they represent the people.  Unions represent self-preservation.  Period.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The smokescreen continues for this union, and all unions. It&#8217;s a survival effort, and when a wounded animal is about to die, they attack.  The unions are all about survival, on the backs of their members, and anyone who will listen, and then allow themselves to be soaked for a dollar, or a million.  Unions claim they represent the people.  Unions represent self-preservation.  Period.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 14:21:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, Jack; if you can afford the $100,000 for the stock, you can afford the $100 for tax.

- Posted by Cordell 

Cordell,

You can obviously afford a computer.  My monitor is going.  Give me yours.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, Jack; if you can afford the $100,000 for the stock, you can afford the $100 for tax.</p>
<p>- Posted by Cordell </p>
<p>Cordell,</p>
<p>You can obviously afford a computer.  My monitor is going.  Give me yours.</p>
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