Comments on: 3 reasons why cap-and-trade is in trouble http://blogs.reuters.com/james-pethokoukis/2009/09/08/3-reasons-why-cap-and-trade-is-in-trouble/ Politics and policy from inside Washington Tue, 14 Oct 2014 12:57:43 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: drewbie http://blogs.reuters.com/james-pethokoukis/2009/09/08/3-reasons-why-cap-and-trade-is-in-trouble/comment-page-1/#comment-2306 Mon, 14 Sep 2009 21:05:00 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/james-pethokoukis/?p=1816#comment-2306 Any impact will come from technology to scrub CO2 from the atmosphere, not lower emissions. Only working to lower emissions to stop global warming is like taking your foot off the gas when you’re in a car headed down hill with no brakes. You might crash at a slower speed, but you still crash.

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By: Drew http://blogs.reuters.com/james-pethokoukis/2009/09/08/3-reasons-why-cap-and-trade-is-in-trouble/comment-page-1/#comment-2292 Sun, 13 Sep 2009 09:38:10 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/james-pethokoukis/?p=1816#comment-2292 2006 Smoking Rates: New York 18%, Florida 21%. Almost the same.

In a round about way, through several posts, I’m trying to demonstrate that public awareness works too, without the need for a useless tax.

But if Liberals wish to hammer away on our already embattled industrial base then that figures. The new information economy (so highly touted) means many more underemployed.

“Would you like fries with that, sir?”

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By: Drew http://blogs.reuters.com/james-pethokoukis/2009/09/08/3-reasons-why-cap-and-trade-is-in-trouble/comment-page-1/#comment-2288 Sat, 12 Sep 2009 16:57:18 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/james-pethokoukis/?p=1816#comment-2288 May I post another comment…

Public awareness is an effective tool too but why is that liberals want everybody to ‘do as I say and not as I do’?

Now I’m doing my part to stop the carbon footprint but what are you doing? You lefty liberals (Carol?). Everyone could play a part. Its called individual responsibility.

Smoking rates have decreased considerably over 50 years. Was this caused by government intervention (tax) or public awareness. Proof is take one of the American States with low cigarette prices, maybe Florida? and extrapolate the rates of smoking compared to a highly taxed state like New York. I would submit that they probably equal. Public awareness works.

Americans have been afforded the luxury of minimalist government intervention (or meddling). One thing I can tell you is people wish the government as a panacea. It’s not.

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By: isuer1 http://blogs.reuters.com/james-pethokoukis/2009/09/08/3-reasons-why-cap-and-trade-is-in-trouble/comment-page-1/#comment-2286 Sat, 12 Sep 2009 16:40:18 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/james-pethokoukis/?p=1816#comment-2286 “there doesn’t seem to be an acute crisis.” …this is because the majority of Americans do have healthcare. However, there is almost 80% support for a public option (that figure is consistent in numerous studies) because people, being human, are willing to help others in need. Secondly, the NASA study quoted shows temperature increases have stalled for THIS decade. The date is currently September 2009, leaving us with approximately three months left in the decade. The sun cannot be relied upon to change its irradiance in accordance with our needs. It is an extremely dynamic, unpredictable, and massively powerful system that changes every day. Within a few years (probably less) it will return to its full intensity and our problem, CO2, will not have changed.

“most people will not see an immediate benefit.”
Is this suddenly the factor by which we will determine whether or not to pass new world-changing legislation? The question is absurd: of course people will not see an immediate benefit, but that is irrelevant when considering the long term impacts of both plans. Both will ultimately remove massive burdens from our economy (the environmental issue will never be a burden if we move fast enough…health care is currently a massive drag holding down a significant percentage of our GDP). Our future as a nation may depend on the fate of these two plans; both are critically important for our survival.

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By: Drew http://blogs.reuters.com/james-pethokoukis/2009/09/08/3-reasons-why-cap-and-trade-is-in-trouble/comment-page-1/#comment-2285 Sat, 12 Sep 2009 16:37:20 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/james-pethokoukis/?p=1816#comment-2285 The cap and trade was embraced by our liberal government in Canada. Fortunately they were defeated. The carbon tax was ill-conceived and perplexedly left the two new industrial powers China and India exempt. I’ve never met a liberal who saw a tax he didn’t like. While the environment is a concern, does it not seem arrogant that we are trying to reverse 5 billion years of ecology?

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By: eron http://blogs.reuters.com/james-pethokoukis/2009/09/08/3-reasons-why-cap-and-trade-is-in-trouble/comment-page-1/#comment-2237 Thu, 10 Sep 2009 06:03:59 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/james-pethokoukis/?p=1816#comment-2237 Wow so much stupity and ignorance in such a small space!

1) Nice bait and switch james, it almost makes up for your near total ignorance, actualy im just gonna call you stupid as far as health care goes, chances are though the nuance is gonna be lost on most.

2) for the love of god,PUT AWAY THE TINFOIL HATS! Global warming is not junk science, a myth, an Obama conspiracy or libral dogma being forced onto the masses durning presidential school speechs.

3) If your worried about corruption in Goverment Cap and Trade systems maybe you should idk, focus your attention on what has been happening in the last 8 years in the finacial sector…

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By: Pete Cann http://blogs.reuters.com/james-pethokoukis/2009/09/08/3-reasons-why-cap-and-trade-is-in-trouble/comment-page-1/#comment-2225 Wed, 09 Sep 2009 22:36:18 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/james-pethokoukis/?p=1816#comment-2225 I’m unfamiliar with specific legislation, only what has been discussed. I have a bad feeling about cap and trade. I can just imagine the corrupt games that will be played with this, resulting in a total failure to achieve its intent, and a substantial transfer of money from the innocent to the sleazy before it’s finally abandoned. Oh, it could work; I’m just not optimistic.

You know, if we do pay them for every year they don’t burn down the rainforest, we have to pay Kentucky every year for not burning all its coal. Or am I missing something?

I don’t agree with some of the comments. Costs of alternative energy are going down. 20 years ago, if you said you were going to operate a photovoltaic powerplant commercially, they’d have been rolling on the floor laughing, and wind turbines were strictly for hippies. Oh, yeah, and a cell phone was the size of a good dictionary and cost $2,000!!!

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By: DG http://blogs.reuters.com/james-pethokoukis/2009/09/08/3-reasons-why-cap-and-trade-is-in-trouble/comment-page-1/#comment-2224 Wed, 09 Sep 2009 21:57:15 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/james-pethokoukis/?p=1816#comment-2224 So I suppose you are all OK with the EPA regulating carbon emissions?

If nothing else will wake up corporate America, it is the fear of what is now beginning, the regulation of carbon emissions without legislation to protect emitters …

Sauder agrees to EPA order to comply with Clean Air Act

Release date: 09/09/2009
Contact Information: CONTACT: William Omohundro, 312-353-8254 , omohundro.william@epa.gov

For Immediate Release No. 09-OPA163

(Chicago, Ill. – Sept. 8, 2009) U.S. Environmental Protection Agency Region 5 has issued an administrative consent order to Sauder Woodworking Cogeneration Facility. The company has agreed to take immediate steps to comply with the Clean Air Act at the company’s furniture manufacturing plant at 502 Middle St., Archbold, Ohio.

see also other actions like:
http://www.epa.gov/EPA-AIR/2009/August/D ay-27/a20602.htm

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By: David http://blogs.reuters.com/james-pethokoukis/2009/09/08/3-reasons-why-cap-and-trade-is-in-trouble/comment-page-1/#comment-2219 Wed, 09 Sep 2009 18:53:00 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/james-pethokoukis/?p=1816#comment-2219 Cap and trade is simply a tax. It does absolutely nothing to the environment. If we truly need clean energy then we would us nuclear, the fact we are not means that there is not a crisis or problem. A micro amount of CO2 in the atmosphere is not going to cause global warming. But the excess solar storms that have been raging will. Finally, who ever said there was a problem with a warm earth? Only computer model made by people who feel that way.

As to socialized medicine, I am a retiring physician and hope it passes. The American people need what will come to be one of the worse health systems that ever existed. I can take care of myself and loved ones, can you?

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By: Jim http://blogs.reuters.com/james-pethokoukis/2009/09/08/3-reasons-why-cap-and-trade-is-in-trouble/comment-page-1/#comment-2216 Wed, 09 Sep 2009 17:43:19 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/james-pethokoukis/?p=1816#comment-2216 I’m a skeptic but also one who’s willing to persuaded by a fair and thorough debate (you know, what Al Gore says is over).
Naturally, I’d rather be sure there IS a problem before wrecking the economy to “fix” it. That said, I’d rather see a straight carbon tax than that cap and trade scheme with ALL the proceeds going to alternative energy sources and technology to combat the problem.

That when it global warming proves to be a fraud, there won’t be as much opposition to eliminating the tax. If they start using the revenue to fund other, non related programs, we’ll never get rid of it.

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