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	<title>Comments on: Growth only way to avoid U.S. economic collapse</title>
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		<title>By: RobertWagnerVT</title>
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		<dc:creator>RobertWagnerVT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 11:02:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Finally we are seeing Collapse in the mainstream media.  What does this mean? It&#039;s only being said in places like tiny Vermont, but Collapse is the breakdown of the unsustainable U.S. Empire: the largest, most brutal, most environmentally destructive empire of all time.

Vermont secessionists utterly reject the infinite growth paradigm as a key to the future, just as we led the opposition to the 1803 Louisiana Purchase, the national embargo of 1807, and the War of 1812.  New England secessionists also expressed their opposition to a military draft at the Hartford Convention of 1814. Abolitionists in New England urged northern states to disengage from the Union.

What we have in common is a commitment to sustainable economic development, local food &amp; energy production, to bring home the Vermont Guard troops from Afghanistan and Iraq, and to return Vermont to our status as an independent republic as we were until 1791.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Finally we are seeing Collapse in the mainstream media.  What does this mean? It&#8217;s only being said in places like tiny Vermont, but Collapse is the breakdown of the unsustainable U.S. Empire: the largest, most brutal, most environmentally destructive empire of all time.</p>
<p>Vermont secessionists utterly reject the infinite growth paradigm as a key to the future, just as we led the opposition to the 1803 Louisiana Purchase, the national embargo of 1807, and the War of 1812.  New England secessionists also expressed their opposition to a military draft at the Hartford Convention of 1814. Abolitionists in New England urged northern states to disengage from the Union.</p>
<p>What we have in common is a commitment to sustainable economic development, local food &amp; energy production, to bring home the Vermont Guard troops from Afghanistan and Iraq, and to return Vermont to our status as an independent republic as we were until 1791.</p>
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		<title>By: blert</title>
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		<dc:creator>blert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 08:01:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That quote from Kennedy is all nice and fine, but at that time, the United States was still running occasional budget deficits.  In 1951, 1956, 1957, and 1961, the U.S. ran annual surpluses, and throughout the early 1960s was never more than about 1-2% of the GDP.  Economic upticks and downturns can explain 1-2% budget deficits.

However, starting with Johnson in 1967-68, the deficits began to build, and except for a couple of low deficit years mixed in, the U.S. ran deficits of about 3-7% of GDP every year up until the late 1990s when the dotcom bubble finally gave us two brief years of surplus.  After that, it was back to big deficits.

In other words, we haven&#039;t been eliminating deficits even in years of robust economic growth, and we&#039;ve been running up huge deficits during downturns.  That math is simply not sustainable in the long term because it is impossible to grow an already-developed economy that much to trim an amount equal to 4-5% of the GDP from the deficit every year.  Yes, enough growth would solve everything, but so would a magic wand.  Unfortunately, I&#039;m about as likely to wake up and find a magic wand in my hand as we are to see the economy sustain 3.5% growth every year for the next decade or two.  The United States was only able to sustain that growth post-WW2 thanks to brimming pension funds and the Social Security trust.  Pension funds provided huge piles of money for corporations to reinvest, and Social Security provided the same for government spending.  Now, however, we have to start paying that pension money back, which means that it will no longer be there to invest.  Without all of the money that helped fuel post-WW2 investment, where is the growth going to come from?  Quite simply, it&#039;s not going to come from anywhere.  As long as we have an aging population, the U.S. is going to see a tepid economy that will be lucky to average 2% growth every year.  In fact, in about 10 years, we will be lucky to see 1% growth per year, and average growth dropping that low will send deficit and debt projections spiraling in the wrong direction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That quote from Kennedy is all nice and fine, but at that time, the United States was still running occasional budget deficits.  In 1951, 1956, 1957, and 1961, the U.S. ran annual surpluses, and throughout the early 1960s was never more than about 1-2% of the GDP.  Economic upticks and downturns can explain 1-2% budget deficits.</p>
<p>However, starting with Johnson in 1967-68, the deficits began to build, and except for a couple of low deficit years mixed in, the U.S. ran deficits of about 3-7% of GDP every year up until the late 1990s when the dotcom bubble finally gave us two brief years of surplus.  After that, it was back to big deficits.</p>
<p>In other words, we haven&#8217;t been eliminating deficits even in years of robust economic growth, and we&#8217;ve been running up huge deficits during downturns.  That math is simply not sustainable in the long term because it is impossible to grow an already-developed economy that much to trim an amount equal to 4-5% of the GDP from the deficit every year.  Yes, enough growth would solve everything, but so would a magic wand.  Unfortunately, I&#8217;m about as likely to wake up and find a magic wand in my hand as we are to see the economy sustain 3.5% growth every year for the next decade or two.  The United States was only able to sustain that growth post-WW2 thanks to brimming pension funds and the Social Security trust.  Pension funds provided huge piles of money for corporations to reinvest, and Social Security provided the same for government spending.  Now, however, we have to start paying that pension money back, which means that it will no longer be there to invest.  Without all of the money that helped fuel post-WW2 investment, where is the growth going to come from?  Quite simply, it&#8217;s not going to come from anywhere.  As long as we have an aging population, the U.S. is going to see a tepid economy that will be lucky to average 2% growth every year.  In fact, in about 10 years, we will be lucky to see 1% growth per year, and average growth dropping that low will send deficit and debt projections spiraling in the wrong direction.</p>
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		<title>By: pathtotyranny</title>
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		<dc:creator>pathtotyranny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jun 2010 23:17:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It is increasingly clear that no matter what party is in power, so long as our national security needs keep rising, an economy hampered by restrictive tax rates will never produce enough revenues to balance our budget, just as it will never produce enough jobs or enough profits. Surely the lesson of the last decade is that budget deficits are not caused by wild-eyed spenders but by slow economic growth and periodic recessions, and any new recession would break all deficit records.&quot; John F Kennedy 1960</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It is increasingly clear that no matter what party is in power, so long as our national security needs keep rising, an economy hampered by restrictive tax rates will never produce enough revenues to balance our budget, just as it will never produce enough jobs or enough profits. Surely the lesson of the last decade is that budget deficits are not caused by wild-eyed spenders but by slow economic growth and periodic recessions, and any new recession would break all deficit records.&#8221; John F Kennedy 1960</p>
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