Comments on: Ryan & Christie, the GOP’s Dynamic Duo

By: EchoMike

EchoMike — Tue, 14 Sep 2010 16:22:02 +0000

I find it funny how those who obviously LOATHE Republicans, and for the most part conservative America, never think that the majority of the mainstream media is not obviously seen as biased towards the Democrat and the agenda of the left. I guess that’s why they are doing so well these days.
First point : BOTH PARTIES ARE HISTORICALLY AT FAULT!!! So get off your high horses. Unfortunately every huge entitlement program we have has been initiated by one party, and that would be the Democrats, and THAT is what this article is discussing. The difference is conservatives are advocating a serious change, and the left is advocating more of the same.
What we have here is just a stark contrast of opinions on the best way to get this nation back on track financially.
YOU believe that the more people make, the more government should take in order to fund a massive amount of entitlements to give to other people. That, simply defined, is what the writer was talking about with Wagner’s theory. You all seem to believe this because somewhere along the road you have convinced yourselves that successful people are bad people who live like Scrooge McDuck, and sleep on pillows of money. You also seem to hold some silly notion that poor people exist because rich people have sucked up all the money before other people have gotten a chance to get their shot at it. If the creation of wealth creates poor people, then you also have to believe that the destruction of wealth would make less poor people.
WE (conservatives) believe in the same things the founders believed in, and what the country used to stand for. We believe it is the responsibility of the INDIVIDUAL to pursue their own ambitions to better their lives. Not to have an over powering government distribute the opportunity. Government cannot distribute the “American Dream”, it can only be earned through hard work, risk, and sacrifice! We do not HATE successful people. We do not believe in class warfare, pitting one group against another. We do not believe in a “class system” to keep people in their place. We believe that every person who was born, or legally immigrated to this country, has the same level of opportunity to succeed, and they have the same level of opportunity to be useless bump on a log. It’s their own decision. The only thing that REALLY stands in the way of person’s success is the intrusive overbearing weight of a huge government.

By: SunnyJ

SunnyJ — Tue, 14 Sep 2010 14:46:09 +0000

There’s some stinky fish being sold here. For example: MSM is owned by corporations and therefore cannot be left leaning. Poppycock! Did you not see what happened to the GM bond holders…summarily wiped out their rights by the heavy hand of government. Do you not realize many of the large “corporations” have become kingdoms? Kingdoms run by CEO’s with their own personal agendas. Some of these coporations have stopped looking out for their shareholders, (think GE)and have CEO’s that are statists. Most trained in the Ivy’s schools of business and law…America’s best and brightest which have brought us this mess! Why are they corporations that like statism…because, they believe the “state” will choose them through cronisim and they will control the market, run off competition, and win the big trophy of market dominance. Remember where they learned their business ethics…it wasn’t on Main Street where Moms/Pops made sure they made payroll first and often went without to keep the company going. No these CEO’s and Board Members were educated by progressives so they are not corporate America of the free market system. Why do you think Immeldt of GE is still there…surely not due to his great management and ROI for shareholders?

By: jelloman5000

jelloman5000 — Tue, 14 Sep 2010 04:00:33 +0000

First, I don’t think the article was discussing job creation. It was about revenue vs spending.
Second, corporations love regulations, provided they have a hand in writing the regulations. This is why corporations give to both parties; to have a place at the table. Regulations protect corporations and raise barriers for new entrants into the market place thus decreasing competition. And if you actually look at giving patterns, they give to whichever party is in power at a higher rate.

By: ZPT

ZPT — Tue, 14 Sep 2010 02:42:20 +0000

“Now this is the worst sort of heresy to the liberal economic intelligentsia — and mainstream media — who all pretty much belong to the cult of Adolph Wagner, a German economist who died in 1917. Wagner’s Law basically says that as a nation gets wealthier, its citizens demand more social services and bigger government.”

Why does this neccesarily mean Wagner thought that was a good thing? I don’t know enough either way, but why does believing that something is a historical pattern suddently mean believing that pattern is desirable?

By: BrentF

BrentF — Tue, 14 Sep 2010 02:22:56 +0000

I would just like to thank all those who posted thus far, especially Actually2 who went so far as to repost with grammatical corrections. I am not accustomed to posting in these forums and therefore would like to apologize in advance for my own grammatical errors. It’s just that your essays are so very informative. Perhaps you will further enlighten me. My wife and I are people who work incessantly. We are borderline wealthy from me working the equivalent of two full time jobs. She is trying to start a business manufacturing hair accessories for girls. I am embarrassed to say that we voted for Bush and was hoping that a change would make our lives better. But this does not seem to be the case.

Totaling it all up, we pay over half of what we make in tax. That includes state, federal and all of the myriad of other smaller taxes we have to pay. In fact, it seems the amount is closer to 60% given our tax bracket. I’m sure this is far to little for us to pay. But I was just was wondering what you people think is enough? How much are we supposed to contribute to those who don’t work as much as we? My wife is struggling to make her way through the absolutely crazy amount of red tape she must cut through to get her business started. Should this bother us; or, are we just “cry babies?” I am upset over the pending tax increases. Should I just carry on with a stiff upper lip, or am I appropriate in cutting back my work hours and deciding to decrease my discretionary spending?

Reflecting on my prior statement above, although Bush was not a good president, I at least always knew that he saw his enemies as living in a different country. Listening to this president I feel as though I am being roasted in a Reverend Wright sermon. And although I thoroughly appreciate all of the intense mental masturbation you do in your ivory tower, I just wonder how much relevance your theories have in the world of us working stiffs. And, incidentally, when you refer to Tea Party Patriots such as myself as “teabaggers,” it only strengthens our resolve. As for the mainstream media not tilting toward the left, I will have to respond by saying that Fox is not at all leaning toward the right. That argument might not make any sense to you. But now you at least know what your argument sounds like to me.

By: chimneyrock

chimneyrock — Tue, 14 Sep 2010 02:17:34 +0000

Socialism always fails. Ryan and Christie are leading the way out of a government afflicted abyss. The ruling class are being sent home Nov 2.

By: willt7311

willt7311 — Tue, 14 Sep 2010 02:05:33 +0000

“It wouldn’t make any sense for the mainstream media to be liberal when all they really care about is making money by selling commercial airtime and since our country now leans right of center (thanks to Rightwing propaganda), so do our television and radio media outlets.” –ginchinchili

Have you ever looked at the ratings some of these media outlets get? They aren’t very good.

What about print media? How many papers have folded over the last couple years? Do you think they are folding because they have a ton of readers?

The rest of your comment was just you contradicting yourself. First, tax cuts don’t create jobs or help the economy but then in the next paragraph they do. Make up your mind.

By: GB1976

GB1976 — Tue, 14 Sep 2010 02:02:00 +0000

Dumb, dumb, dumb. When Reagan cut taxes government revenue went up. It was the Democratic congress that kept spending, spending, spending. And when Democrats see more money they spend more, they know nothing of restraint!

By: onebigmistake

onebigmistake — Tue, 14 Sep 2010 01:59:51 +0000

Dear, dear. You know your adored leader Nancy Pelosi has asked that you be more polite in your interactions with others. Your responses are going to give her the vapors for heaven sakes! Such vulgarity! Such name-calling! Hmmm… I know not everyone’s mother remembered to teach them well, but perhaps as adults, you might try to reach beyond what your childhood left you with and improve of your own accord. Who knows you might even teach your mothers a thing or two!

By: TallDave

TallDave — Tue, 14 Sep 2010 01:47:18 +0000

Sheesh.

First off, virtually every study ever done says the MSM skew left, from the editors down to the fact checkers. It’s not a “myth,” it’s a carefully measured, well-documented phenomenon.

Second, you don’t seem to understand what a corporation is. “Corporations” aren’t some monolithic interest group. There are left-wing corporations, right-wing, centrist, apolitical, etc. Michael Moore’s production company is a “corporation.” A “corporation” is a just a legal agreement that defines property rights among a group of people in an enterprise.

And finally, Democrats received FAR more money from them in the last few elections.

As for the idea there’s an “aristocracy” in the U.S. — the new rich are people like Jeff Bezos, Steve Jobs, Sergey Brin… people who started with an idea in a garage and did such a great job making our lives better they became rich. This is America, not some Third World kleptocracy like Venezuela or Cuba. That’s what the Democrats want us to be.