One in four Americans want their state to secede from the U.S., but why?

September 19, 2014
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For the past few weeks, as Scotland debated the wisdom of independence, Reuters has been asking Americans how they would feel about declaring independence today, not from the United Kingdom, but from the mother country they left England to create. The exact wording of the question was, “Do you support or oppose the idea of your state peacefully withdrawing from the United States of America and the federal government?”


It was hard to imagine many people would support secession. Forget the fact that the cautionary lesson of the Civil War is top of mind for many people as we commemorate its 150th anniversary; just in terms of dollars and cents, who in their right minds would give up all the money they’ve already paid into the Social Security and Medicare systems? Besides, most states get more back from the federal government than they put in.

Then the results came in. You can see them for yourself here, and you can filter them any way you want—by age, region, income, party affiliation, etc. Any way you slice it, the data are startlingly clear: Almost a quarter (23.9 percent) of those surveyed said they were strongly or provisionally inclined to leave the United States, and take their states with them. Given the polling sample — about 9,000 people so far—the online survey’s credibility interval (which is digital for “margin of error”) was only 1.2 percentage points, so there is no question that that is what they said.

template0914Secession got more support from Republicans than Democrats, more from right- than left-leaning independents, more from younger than older people, more from lower- than higher-income brackets, more from high school than college grads. But there was a surprising amount of support in every group and region, especially the Rocky Mountain states, the Southwest and the old Confederacy, but also in places like Illinois and Kansas. And of the people who said they identified with the Tea Party, supporters of secession were actually in the majority, with 53 percent.

The question is, what do results like this mean for the country?

First, it should be acknowledged that intramural conflict has been in character for Americans since the earliest settlements, when Puritan New England faced off against Royalist Virginia in the English Civil War. More than a century later, the Revolutionary War was barely won when the states, never quite friendly, were at each other’s throats, and the infant nation came close to being strangled in its crib.

It was in part to avoid the danger that the colonies would break into competing regional confederacies that the founders plotted to hold the Constitutional Convention of 1787. But even when the new Constitution made secession illegal, the impulse to break up stayed strong. Serious state and regional threats of secession flared up in 1799, 1814 and 1828. Fifteen years before 11 Southern states did secede in 1860, sparking the Civil War, William Lloyd Garrison called for the North to secede under the banner of “No Union With Slaveholders.”

All told, secessionist feints and follies have produced notional movements for more than a hundred new states and nations in North America, from Absaroka to Yazoo. A book about such causes, Lost States, manages to be quite amusing.

Followup phone calls with a small, random sample of pro-secession respondents to the Reuters poll, however, suggest that while their wish to leave the union may not be quite what it appears, it is not amusing at all.

Those we spoke to seemed to have answered as they did as a form of protest that was neither red nor blue but a polychromatic riot — against a recovery that has yet to produce jobs, against jobs that don’t pay, against mistreatment of veterans, against war, against deficits, against hyper-partisanship, against political corruption, against illegal immigration, against the assault on marriage, against the assault on same-sex marriage, against government in the bedroom, against government in general — the president, Congress, the courts and both political parties.

By the evidence of the poll data as well as these anecdotal conversations, the sense of aggrievement is comprehensive, bipartisan, somewhat incoherent, but deeply felt.

This should be more than disconcerting; it’s a situation that could get dangerous. As the Princeton political scientist Mark Beissinger has shown, separatist movements can take hold around contempt for incumbents and the status quo even when protesters have no ideology in common.

The United States hardly seems to be on the verge of fracture, and the small secession movements in a handful of American states today represent a tiny percentage of those polled by Reuters. But any country where 60 million people declare themselves to be sincerely aggrieved — especially one that is fractious by nature — is a country inviting either the sophistry of a demagogue or a serious movement for reform.

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What this really shows is how deep the country’s disdain is for their Federal government. It is bloated, inefficient and grossly mismanaged. If it was a business it would have folded decades ago due to poor decisions and overwhelming debt. And the sad truth is that it can never be fixed. It will only get worse so there is no ray of hope on the horizon. Most everyone would keep the US military and support a central government to handle national defense and foreign relations. Beyond that they should have stayed out of our lives. But now, with half of the country paying no income tax at all and 40% receiving some form of government assistance, we are pitted against ourselves. We peaked as a nation in the mid 20th century and are on the decline now, and that decline will accelerate moving forward. It was a good run while it lasted.

Posted by Tarheel72 | Report as abusive

The secessionists are more from the Southwest and Old Confederacy, as the author notes. And it is more prominent among less educated, Tea party, southern, right wing types. Even Governor Perry of Texas has hinted in the past at how Texas “could go it alone” if necessary. So the answer to the “why” question is simple – ignorance. The ten states that receive the most dollars from the Federal Government are all poorer Red States in the South and Southwest, where secessionist sentiment is strongest. And Texas is successful (relatively speaking) because of a Federal Treaty (NAFTA) that has propelled Texas to become the number one exporting state in the United States, to say nothing of the defense and farm aid dollars that flow from Washington. But the fantasy of succession lives on in the imagination.

Posted by Cassiopian | Report as abusive

I had no idea that secession was a popular concept. I thought it was only me. “When in the course of human events…”

Posted by ReutersAgenda | Report as abusive

All these characters who would like to see their states – or portions thereof – become independent entities would get a rude awakening if their desires came true. Deserting the strength of union their economies would be pitiful, ability to cope with natural disasters would be badly inadequate and: So much of the maintenance that our central government funds for schools, hospitals, roads and highways would become lost. And that’s just touching the surface. Since Wall Street sometimes acts as if it were not aligned with the interests of our country, perhaps it should declare independence.

Posted by act1 | Report as abusive

Most Americans have no idea how much money is sent to the poor Southern states to support them. Those states would face huge tax increases.

Posted by Canela | Report as abusive

I would guess tha if poll first presented lists of “this is what you will no longer bave from feds, you will have to get along without it or pay for it yourself, from FAA to all those little “City, County, State “Grants”, and does not include Court Systems, Law/Medical, and various Coryright, Food inspections, education grants/research etc, plus possilbe tariff’s, the vote might have been different. More so when an estimated increase in taxes and other “payments”, as well as “visiting USA Visa, or be “illegal” would be considered. Of course a lack of in depth education at to reality is big player. Yep, sad fact is, USA might be better off it some did leave or just get some land for the 25% to move and run, which would be a great deal of fun to watch.

Posted by chuck2 | Report as abusive

If the federal government would take a small fraction of our military budget and spend it on infrastructure in every state each year- new roads, public buildings, schools, subways, etc.- then the secessionist voices would all but go away. It’s when certain northeastern states are blatantly favored that people cry foul and become disgruntled.

Posted by ronryegadfly | Report as abusive

“And it is more prominent among less educated, Tea party, southern, right wing types. ”

You do realize that the “Tea Party” types you mention are actually more educated on average than the overall average American. Even the NYT eventually had to go and correct their original reporting on that. . .

And it appears you missed the article’s statement that:
“Those we spoke to seemed to have answered as they did as a form of protest that was neither red nor blue but a polychromatic riot ”

It wouldn’t be a lack of intelligence that would lead conservatives to be somewhat more likely to hold secessionist views anyways. Conservatives have always favored less centralized governmental power, for state/local rights. The two notions dovetail nicely.

Posted by Yashmak | Report as abusive

I don’t know why we didn’t just let the South leave the US when we had a chance to rid ourselves of them. They are nothing but a ball and chain around the legs of progress. If they still want to leave, then let them. Doesn’t that accord with the principle of self determination anyway?

Posted by Calvin2k | Report as abusive

“But even when the new Constitution made secession illegal…”

Really? Where is that in the Constitution?

Posted by tonybagels | Report as abusive

Jefferson’s position of stronger state’s rights vs. centralized authority seems to be winning the argument globally at the moment. Central planning, managed by intellectual elites, has failed miserably whenever we give them enough rope to hang themselves.

Posted by sarkozyrocks | Report as abusive

“I don’t know why we didn’t just let the South leave the US when we had a chance to rid ourselves of them…”

The answer Calvin2K is that Lincoln and the non-seccessionist states correctly recognized that the North would have become a second rate power on the North American continent behind the Confederate States of America because the CSA would have controlled the flow of commerce through its control of the ports at Savannah and in the Gulf, as well as its control of the Mississippi River.

Posted by tonybagels | Report as abusive

Where would these secessionists collect their social security, unemployment checks. Most of them live on federal government assistance. Most of them including including the Bundy’s of Nevada live off the government.

Posted by nanooknw | Report as abusive

This exposes the awful education problem we have in the US. Plain and simple. The fact that this many people think it’s a good idea is quite embarrassing from an intellectual point of view.

Posted by bostonshmoston | Report as abusive

I believe we could dramatically reduce the left/right division, and unsustainable anger / even hate, if we strengthened states rights and allowed more local self determination. Trying to force New Yorkers to do things the Texas way, and vice-versa is stupidity at its finest. Let’s take the pressure out of this balloon asap…and stop trying to force-fill it beyond its breaking point.

Posted by sarkozyrocks | Report as abusive

Rather than having individual states secede, it would make more sense to break the US up into several smaller nations that have some cultural cohesion: the Northeast, the Confederacy, the Great Lakes, the Plains/Mountains, the Pacific Coast, restore Hawaiian sovereignty, and let the USSR annex Alaska.

Posted by JAQ | Report as abusive

I think we’d better ask Alaskans about that last one.

Posted by Jim Gaines | Report as abusive

I think we’d better ask Alaskans about that last one, JAQ.

Posted by Jim Gaines | Report as abusive

Wow, a lot of hate and disrespect for fellow Americans in the comments here. Bet you still wonder why anyone would even entertain the notion of secession too.

Posted by chaemeleo | Report as abusive

I believe it takes a special kind of idiot to seriously want to secede from the United States of America – I’m NOT one of them. Maybe it’s because I’ve traveled internationally a little bit and thus, I know without question we have the best deal on Planet Earth. I think I know why some people would answer yes, however.

The reason is we’re angry (count me amongst those whom are angry). Why? It’s because of how our taxes are being spent. Me? I’m not so much angry with the fact we’re taxed (I’m amazed how many imbecile-friends are completely anti-tax), but with how it’s spent. Here’s one example . . .

Today, while riding my bicycle (the sole exercise my fat-behind engages in regularly) a Customs and Border Patrol vehicle drove past me. Since I live near the Orlando-Sanford International airport (Central Florida), the presence of a CBP isn’t unusual. In fact, because I’m a pilot, I see them in the area regularly. Anyway, the fellow was driving a Ford Explorer with aluminum rims, and rather deeply tinted windows.

The Republican-voter, and net tax-payer wonders . . . why isn’t he driving a Ford Focus, instead? There’s no question in my mind the US Government could buy two of them versus one Explorer. Thus, I resent what I perceive as my money being spent like drunken sailors on shore leave equipping CBP personnel with vehicles nicer than what I drive. Especially because my being a private pilot means I frequently see these folks around the airport and have ‘never’ seen one of them go off a paved surface! Why the expense of an SUV?

Anyway, this is the kind of thing, which causes people’s blood to boil.

Posted by jbeech | Report as abusive

And what would the numbers be if there was a white guy in the White House?

I don’t think being anti-Obama makes you a racist, but I pretty sure that being a racist makes you anti-Obama.

It certainly explains the vitriolic outrage of the past six years over a president whose policies are basically those of what would once have categorized as a moderate Republican.

Not that, outside of the Oval Office, there are any of them left.

Posted by Zak44 | Report as abusive

“It’s when certain northeastern states are blatantly favored that people cry foul and become disgruntled.”

I believe you have it backwards. Most of the northeastern states send more money to Washington than they get back in federal services. In the states where the secesh sentiment is strongest, it’s just the opposite.

If anyone should be ticked off, it’s those of us up here.

Posted by Zak44 | Report as abusive

A clarification. Secession is not illegal, only unilateral secession is. A state can still secede with the approval of the Federal government by means of constitutional amendment. A state that wants to secede legally and peacefully has to convince not only their own population but the rest of the country as well.

While this violates the notion of self-determination, the US Government has never been a big fan of that anyway.

Posted by Coridan | Report as abusive

I know it needs data but I think the natural floor to asking this question in any large country with different classes, regions and races is 20%. Doesn’t matter if its rich or poor. In any scenario one part of the country is doing better and the other worse and both for opposite reasons attribute that to central authority. If you ask the same questions in Malaysia, Egypt, Nigeria China, India, Brazil, Spain, France, South Africa its going to be 20%. Even if you take the countries that are homogenous – like Japan or Korea the floor will be 15%.

So statistically the question is what is the average mean and how deviant is the US. If the average is 20% then most of the US is normal but the Southwest is 14% off average. If the average is 30% then that means the US is stronger than most of its piers.

Posted by John2244 | Report as abusive

Sounds like a lot of bold talk from a bar stool.
Ask Scotland what happens when it counts.

Posted by emptyk | Report as abusive

Not to worry. Twenty-five percent entertaining the idea is very different from a full 50 percent actually deciding to go it. How do these figures correlate with the Congress’s approval rating I wonder?

Posted by Neslihan | Report as abusive

Arizona would be surrounded by the country it just left and the country it seemingly hates in the form of Mexico with no hope of defending itself, educating itself or paying it’s own way. Plus a large number of citizens are on Social Security and Medicare from (gasp) the United States of America.

Decidedly not smart.

Posted by John181818 | Report as abusive

Bye-bye Texas and Oklahoma! I don’t think the country would miss those two states very much. Let Mexico have them.

Posted by J.P.Porter | Report as abusive

The South may rise again.

But its IQ sure as hell won’t.

Posted by Zak44 | Report as abusive

The Constitution does NOT explicitly prohibit secession. Whatever you think about the consequences of the Civil War, it’s simply not in there. In fact, it was the Articles of Confederation that explicitly prohibited secession.

Also, the CSA likely would not have become the top regional power. While they would have had the Mississippi and the Gulf, the north had the railroads and the industry. The CSA was almost entirely agrarian.

Jaq, since you obviously just came out of a 30 year coma, I have to let you know that the USSR collapsed in 1991.

Posted by operagost | Report as abusive

Yes, DC is a disaster zone and the GOP/rich want to keep it that way.
Breaking up the US is a holocaust in the making. The south could reenact slavery. Civil war and disobedience would envelop our great nation. Anarchy will follow. Dozens of special interest groups would declare war on each other. Want to look like Iraq? NYC would look like Baghdad.
“A house divided against itself cannot stand” -Lincoln
“A country divided cannot stand” -LBJ
“United we stand, divided we fall” – Brotherhood of Man
If you don’t like the way the US is being ran, GET OUT AND VOTE!

Posted by Doc62 | Report as abusive

The vast majority of those that want to secede are extreme right wing ideologues including Tea Party adherents, far right Republicans and a few Libertarians who usually vote for Republican and/or Tea Party Candidates.

Take away those with extremist mindsets and those who favor leaving the United States would drop drastically.

Beyond that, the Southwest states other than Oklahoma have huge Hispanic/Latino populations(Arizona-30%,Texas-39%,& New Mexico-46%)many of whom might want to see those states become part of Mexico.

Posted by GetToTheTruth | Report as abusive

I think the wisdom of Michel de Montaigne explains the reason these polls mean little or nothing.

“All I say is by way of discourse, and nothing by way of advice. I should not speak so boldly if it were my due to be believed.”

Posted by JRTerrance | Report as abusive

@Zak44 This census map indicates ethnic distribution in the south may not be quite what you think. common_race.html

Posted by AdamMickiewicz | Report as abusive

I think the progressive “blue” state should secede en masse and leave the regressive “red” states to wallow in their pettiness and self-destructive greed.

Posted by HortonPDX | Report as abusive

Looks like a good portion of hispanics are dangerous and erode the Union from within. Should have all of the illegals deported ASAP.

Posted by amd65 | Report as abusive

To whoever suggested we let Russia annex Alaska, do you really want to give Putin a foothold in North America? Or perhaps you think western Canada is a resistant buffer zone. Somehow, I don’t think that would work, and Canada certainly can’t want have a shared border with Russia. If you must divest the US of Alaska, at least give Canada first dibs.

Posted by shootmyownfood | Report as abusive

People are not thinking through the ramifications’ of secession. Why? – the Federal Government is mismanaged – well, most city/state governments, corporations and households are not only mismanaged, but also depend on the federal government in one form or another.

The real question is “How can I get all I can from the US government without giving anything back in return”?

Posted by uc8tcme | Report as abusive

…….This should be more than disconcerting; it’s a situation that could get dangerous. ……….

You betcha, and that is precisely the reason the Feds have been giving
military grade equipment to local law enforcement.

Posted by doublehelix | Report as abusive

Given the percentage of people who believe a man lives in the clouds and controls everything that happens on earth (Oh, I’m sorry, only the good things), something like 75%, should we be shocked at anything people believe out of ignorance?

Posted by infiniteskeptic | Report as abusive

<<>>> According the the graph, it is the lower incomes that are most likely the ones that want to secede. This is the group that most depends on the government.

Posted by notmyrealname | Report as abusive

1/4 of Americans are total idiots.

Posted by dd606 | Report as abusive

The last time a state tried to (unsuccessfully) secede from the Union it only cost 600,000 lives. So much for self-determination.

Posted by satta60 | Report as abusive

“who in their right minds would give up all the money they’ve already paid into the Social Security and Medicare systems?”

Uh, those of us who realize that it won’t be there when we retire anyway?

Posted by Kenny4Truth | Report as abusive

Yashmak, I agree with you. That said, College degrees does not necessarily = smarter or correctly informed people. State schools at all levels have become nothing but indoctrination centers.

Posted by BamaPatriot1776 | Report as abusive

The problem with secession is that no group of people will be allowed to get away with it without taking their fair share of the National Debt of the nation they now belong to. That is probably the biggest practical barrier for all of these movements globally. Also depending on who controls the federal government those in favor of session changes rather than staying all of the same group.

Posted by SeniorMoment | Report as abusive

Some very gullible people have been taken advantage of by PR hacks representing those who will benefit from the secession of poorer people/states. I would feel sorry for them, but in the information age there is no excuse to be so woefully misinformed that you can so easily be duped.

Posted by LucieLu | Report as abusive

23.9% of the people in this country don’t give a shit about this country. That’s not surprising, we see it every day with republicans doing everything they can to destroy the US. I’m sure this is the same group that thinks of themselves as “patriots,” instead of the anti-American, domestic terrorists they actually are.

Posted by taggert | Report as abusive

@tonybagels my copy does not have that either. I guess certain people know a large percentage of the populace will believe it if it comes from the media.

Posted by BamaPatriot1776 | Report as abusive

I been advocating for the removal of Texas for some time. I’d like to see them leave and would enjoy seeing them squirm when the big bucks stop coming from the feds. The south in general are the welfare states of the US. They pay way less in federal taxes than they receive in federal benefits and contracts. Their greed and lack of work ethic and lack of consideration for other humans has been dragging on this country for nearly 200 years, and now they act the victim and beg for help, with no intent of ever altering their behaviors. You can survey any large city in the north and find a section of town that shows a difficulty with low incomes and a lack of education, however these locations do not come near to representing the average individuals of the states. These few are also more than made up for on the state level by the more ambitious and capable peoples of the state. This is not so in the southern welfare states. There, the majority are takers of one type or another.

Posted by brotherkenny4 | Report as abusive

Secede is not the answer. A civil war already was fought. That isn’t the answer. The best answer is a smaller federal presence and put matters in the states hands. Stop with federal handouts to states. we can call that federal bribery. in essence that is what it is… I would rather see a unified country. A country that has states and if you don’t like the laws or the use/distribution of taxes in that state… by all means don’t live there and don’t do business there.

Posted by ThomJEFFERSON | Report as abusive

Is there a breakdown by age group?

Posted by aolson1 | Report as abusive

It’s really funny that of all the superior people commenting here only one knew that the Civil War was justified not by the Constitution but the articles of Confederation which were based on the Federalist Papers.

So much for modern education.

Posted by SR37212 | Report as abusive

I think if you asked the New England states if they favored New England as a region seceding you might see different results.

Posted by aolson1 | Report as abusive

I think the comments here explain perfectly the differences we share.

Essentially, what was a rather homogenous country has and is becoming moreso Balkanized.

One thing I am pretty sure of, and that is that EVERYONE was better off 20 years ago.

Posted by Loucleve | Report as abusive

Maybe this has to do with the Beltway gang and the way they are “influenced” by foreign entities that are pillaging the common good.
After all, they need millions to get elected/re-elected and where will they get that from?

Posted by rikfre | Report as abusive

There is. Go here and then look on the left side of the page at “Edit all filters”. If you click on that you will see age breakdowns.

Posted by Jim Gaines | Report as abusive

Sorry, that link didn’t work. The address is!response/TM 350Y14/type/day/dates/20140823-20140919

Posted by Jim Gaines | Report as abusive

I live in Texas and it is pretty simple why a lot of Texans would like to secede. The same reason that there has been a huge rise in the number of militia and antigovernment groups. These people see that the country is changing, and the blame it on the Black President. Get my drift.

Posted by MWA | Report as abusive

Everyone says the real problem is Congress, but then they keep voting the same idiots back into office. IT doesn’t take a genius to know that all congress persons are for sale, but again we vote same ones in. Most people don’t have a clue how their congress person votes on any bill or even where to go to find out.

Posted by CMEBARK | Report as abusive

A single answer to strong central gov. vs states’ greater autonomy does not divert from secession’s impetus, but the impossibility of such an answer, leads to it.

I have long proposed, not secession, but a serious debate about it. In particular, the particulars, of any retained common union, treaties, resource sharing (or not!), and, most particularly, civil rights. That’s all the most common issues.

My personal greatest concern, is not in the arena of people vs gov., but people vs pernicious wealth. Is that better taken on with a welter of divergent semi-states including one possibly people-centric, or by continuing with our conglomerate? That would be my deciding factor.

It’s much the same question as to whether American politics should be open to more than it’s olde pair of parties, which tradition goes, neatly, half way back to the initial overthrowing of the former kings.

Posted by geot2 | Report as abusive

The US Constitution is a wonderful document, but it was written for a new nation with only thirteen states, and a population of four million. It reserved many if not most powers to the states, but time, a civil war, and the expansions of the 1930s and onwards placed overwhelming power in federal hands, and a structure created for very different times and very different allocation of power simply no longer works. I think this is fairly clear to nearly everyone at this point. It just plain isn’t working.

For a democracy to function it needs actual power to be fairly close to the individual voters.

Why ought not a state move to secede. No one will raise an army to stop them at this point in history.

Moves to secede will either result in actual secession, in which case any and all states which secede can negotiate matters of common defense, etc, with other states and the federal government. It would make sense, and keep real power and real responsibility at a state level, which is closer to the individual voter, and may more readily be held truly responsible. The crazy-quilt patchwork we have now of federal and state powers could be negotiated rather than remain insane forever.

Another possible/probable outcome of meaningful moves to secede would be a constituional convention, which might address the present madness as to structure and power.

Just as the Scots may get more meaningful local power from the vote just ended, secessionist moves in the US might have similar positive effect toward actual reform.

Right now my state, as many, sends, net-net, more to Washington than ever comes back, net-net, to its citizens. Why?

If one believes in democracy, that power resides in the citizens, than secession should be a real option.

Posted by JeanPeregrine | Report as abusive

One quarter is 80 million people. Politicians, take notice. Because you haven’t.
Even the states with the lowest secessionist show 20%. Highest are Southwest & Rockies. The reason to me is these states have the healthiest state finance and a culture of prudence. The U.S.A. has a national debt of $17 trillion adding at least a trillion per year going forward. Politicians have refused to do anything sensible about it, letting debasement of the U.S. dollar continue to inflate the debt ‘away’. This is why the Midwest and Rockies states want to do something about it – by seceding. Ain’t going pay the unpayable debt of other states and federal.

Posted by TomKi | Report as abusive

[…] Uno de cada cuatro norteamericanos quiere que su estado se separe de los EEUU, pero por que? (ENG) […]

Posted by Uno de cada cuatro norteamericanos quiere que su estado se separe de los EEUU, pero por que? (ENG) | Report as abusive

There is a simple way to solve this problem. Force the Supreme Court to enforce the Constitution where the role of Federal government is extremely limited. If that would happen, you would see each state do what is best for its population, instead of relying on the feds to mandate everything. Getting the feds out of health care, housing and education would be a perfect place to start–and reduce the federal tax collations accordingly. There is no need for 2.0 million federal employees when they provide “services” already in the private sector.

Let the states solve their own problems–after all, the majority of the problems they created not their own.

Posted by COindependent | Report as abusive

The United States will be divided into four territories. Everyone is sick and tired of Washington DC’s constant state of war. Americans are slowly becoming aware that there is a better way to live and this is no it! A lot of people want out of the Federal union, a lot!

Posted by Andy33155 | Report as abusive

Everyone is just plain disgusted with the lame responses to problems that Washington seems to think is “OK”.

They always say (and firmly believe) “the American Public is not in on the Big Picture and so their opinions are irrelevant.”

I have a wake up call for the lame politicians that seem to get re elected year after year…..If succeeding was easy as simply voting, there would be 50 small countries instantly and the Feds would be out of a job!

(PS: Anyone that had ever held a Federal job would then be NON eligible for a State/nation political office.)

State/nations could then form small common interest groups to promote their own agendas.

(There are many historical examples of this principle, ones that worked)

Oh, well we can dream.


Posted by JohnStarkMD | Report as abusive

Please note the nations with the darkest coloring (most wanting to succeed).

ALL are southwest border states. That speaks volumes to our terrible border problem that gets no more than lip service.

It seems that Washington cares more about foreign opinion and interests than they do American citizens.


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Posted by tulsa | Report as abusive

Which tells you precisely what America thinks of Obama.

Posted by Redford | Report as abusive

This shows just how much the Tea Party hates America and everything it stands for.

Posted by NWNavagator | Report as abusive

If one uses the interactive filter feature for this survey one learns that Texas Republicans are BY FAR the respondents to this survey who most favor secession from the United States. Fifty-three percent(53%) of Texas Republicans favor seceding from the United States.!response/TM 350Y14/type/oneshot/filters/PARTY_ID_:2, DQSTATE:44/dates/20130920-20140920

Posted by GetToTheTruth | Report as abusive

Why? The Federal Government has grown too large. Far beyond any need.

Posted by Shootist | Report as abusive

The desire to succeed in Texas existed long before the current administration. It’s an economic decision for a state rich in natural resources and respect for individual liberty.

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The spiritual/moral collapse of the world’s leading democracy and this pandering reporter cannot mention 9/11 – the single most devastating event in the modern world’s effort at government. Another example of the press’ complicity in the crime and coverup of 9/11

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Succession becomes interesting to people when their government is failing them. Congress has become so disingenuous and corrupt that they no longer represent their constituency. They represent only fabricated and divisive issues that only a fanatic could believe. They are serving themselves first and foremost, their moneyed special interest second, and maybe the people third. We’re well on our way to becoming a 3rd world country.

We all know we’re stronger as a union. We’re just fed up with a do nothing warring Congress and the political polarization pushed by the politicians to get reelected. Good parents teach children to share, to cooperate, and where necessary compromise. Our politicians have forcefully withdrawn from appropriate behavior and doing their jobs. They have promoted a scorched earth “my way is the only way” in order to grab media attention and votes not to do what we pay them for – legislate.

Posted by bbazz | Report as abusive

Americans have a history of open-mindedness about forming a more perfect Union, but within the structure of the Constitution. I don’t see a serious possibility of single States breaking away, with only Texas and California being large enough to make it work, but instead if political change within the Union becomes impossible, whole areas could consider a form of autonomous regions within the greater structure of the country there are five natural groups of States – the Northeast States, the Southeast States, the Central Plains States, the Western Costal States and the South Western States.) I believe that this would be as far as anyone could go as long as the Federal Government allows relatively valid elections. If the citizens decide that the election process is not reasonably valid at anytime in the future, then all bets are off and violence will be the response.

Posted by AZWarrior | Report as abusive

My great grandfather and perhaps yours, fought; and comrades died in the Civil War. You have no idea what you are suggesting, since we have already paid the price. Be an American and improve what you will, while you are here.

Posted by ekr | Report as abusive

What a farce…there’s no outside identity or group. There would be massive riots if any vote was taken to take away the silver spoon out of the mouths of Americans. Where else can a person drive in bumper to bumper traffic and text at the same time. If they held a vote to change the name of Washington to obnoxious-ville I can see that as reality.

Posted by spraypaint | Report as abusive

The results can be summed up in four words; “People are Getting Stupider”, or “People are Getting Selfish”. For the last thirty four years, all we have been hearing from the pundits, politicians, and top one percent is “I have mine, and I am getting yours”.

Posted by ThoseWhoServe | Report as abusive

I don’t want to secede, but there are some states I’d like to kick out of the union

Posted by vinlander | Report as abusive

Looking at what has happened with Scotland it now appears that the UK age-old laws could finally be amended and brought up-to-date to serve the people of the respective Kingdoms, with the Union intact, remaining together under one flag whilst aiming towards a common goal of prosperity and unity for the greater good of the people.

What is saying that something like this could happen in the US if implemented correctly, i.e. amend the constitution to reflect the modern age and adapt the Union to make it work for the people. Should states secede they could still be part of America and contribute to the whole whilst power is devolved to independently or a collective number of states to give greater autonomy. At the moment people are living under the rule of a body that is not serving their best interests, not representing the views of the people and failing to listen and act upon their concerns.

I certainly hope if something like this could benefit America then the people should pursue this, even if the majority feels differently the minority still needs their voice. It has happened before in America but in the past it caused bloodshed and conflict whereas now I would hope a more civilised approach could be agreed upon.

If states want to secede from the Union it is something the Government needs to consider seriously and act upon, failure to listen can cause civil unrest and discontent so rather then it get to this stage in the future it would be wise to listen to the people now.

If the UK has the ability to change their unwritten constitution what is preventing the USA for doing this?

Posted by Kren | Report as abusive

Clearly one of the problems is on display here: ignorance.

Multiple posters claim that the constitution was written to empower states, and dis-empower the federal government. Anyone who actually thinks that needs to take a history class. The constitution was written to empower the federal government because of the abject failure of the Confederation of States. It took less than a decade for the strong states/weak federal experiment to be shown to be completely untenable.

It’s very simple. If you’re mind goes to the idea of secession as a possible answer, you are not fighting for the United States… you are fighting against the United States. Traitors, treasonous secessionists, insurrectionists…. every one is an enemy of this country.

Posted by taggert | Report as abusive

There for a while I thought I’d found the one comments section where intelligence prevailed, then I got to all the ignorant comments. We definitely need to change some things to make this country better serve the needs of the people. We definitely need to revamp who is representing us and most probably how they get there.

Now I would like to comment on a study referred to above about the states that receive more than they put in. The report referred to is very misleading. The government owns a lot of land in some of these sparsely populated states including expensive to maintain national parks, military bases and Native American reservations. Add this to border control, border and coast infrastructure and such and the numbers are greatly skewed.

FYI, Texas is not one of these ten states. Texas actually pays in way more than Texas gets back. Especially since that report doesn’t include highway tax, of which, Texas only gets back 69%. Contrary to the claim above, the Texas economy was doing well before NAFTA and claiming Texas is dependant on farm subsidies and military contracts just shows a hater in desperate need of something negatve to say while being to ignorant to have any actual facts.

Posted by superk630 | Report as abusive

No, it’s not on the ‘verge’ of fracture. It is already fractured — like a marriage that has failed but the parties are still living together.

It is caused by two things (the first mainly):
1) (Certain) News Media makes their money by spreading hate and intolerance under the guise of ‘self reliance’.
2) Too many Americans have lost their loyalty to the country and replaced it with self interest and ideology.

Posted by GeorgeBMac | Report as abusive


Texas is a state rich in natural resources, full of a bunch of gun toting anarchists who would love to take the money and run. They might secede, but they wouldn’t succeed.

Shooting up tin cans and jackrabbits in the desert doesn’t give you the tools to survive in the modern world.

Posted by LoveJoyOne | Report as abusive


Now you’re going to start telling us about the FEMA camps built all around the country and ready to imprison Americans, or the Russian army which is on our soil, yet somehow nobody’s actually got any decent pictures or videos of any of this, thanks to the coverup. Blah blah blah…

Give us all a break. Pleeease!!!

These conspiracy theory nuts probably make up 98% of those talking about secession.

Reuters: could you add a filter for conspiracy theory nuts?

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[…] notably Scotland and Catalan), the growing tensions in America took a back seat for a moment. But, as Reuters reports, a recent poll found one-in-four Americans want their state to secede from The US with men more […]

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I think there is a very strong case to be made for secession, for the benefits both to Left and Right are enormous. As anyone who’s been through divorce knows, the ultimate goal of being free of the other person is the huge motivator to get it done.

We are already two nations that happen to live on the same continent. And we just can’t stand the other one.

Think of German re-unification but in reverse. The Think Tanks would need to arrive at something like this: an equitable division of land and natural resources, so that the two new geographic nations would have new borders; some form of housing exchange so the political opposition in each new nation could move to the other side (recall the division of Pakistan from India, when Muslims went to Pakistan, and Hindus when to India); a division of existing military assets, including nuclear weapons; some mechanism of evaluating which of our treaties and foreign agreements would be kept, by which side, for how long, and which would be repudiated; and then some means of dividing the existing national debt, i.e. the new Right Wing States of America could assume the debt from the wars and the corporate tax cuts, while the Left Wing States of America could assume the debt from social and entitlement programs.

The whole process would likely take a decade or more, and cost billions of dollars. But wouldn’t the end result be worth it?

The Right Wing states would be free of the soviet socialist republic that they feel the US has become. They would be free to establish Christianity as the state religion (prayer in school!), and outlaw homosexuality, abortion, and flag burning. Everyone could own as many guns as they could afford, and there would be no labor, environmental, or health & safety regulation. They would be free to fund a country only with tariffs, pay no taxes, and go back to the gold standard.

The Left Wing states would be free of the “Work Makes You Free” mantra of the right. They would be able to establish a true social safety net without constant threat of repeal. Abortion would be legal and safe. Marriage would be available for any consenting adults. Religion would be a matter of private conscience. The tax burden would be progressive, and income equality would be addressed.

Just think how grand it would be to be free of “them”? Your children would never be exposed to “their” crazy ideas. No more elections decided by a statistically insignificant margin.

Of course, with two opposing political entities on the North American continent, the real winners from secession would likely be Russia and China.

Posted by Poly_Ticks | Report as abusive

just remember – half the people out there are below average. And half of those are stupid enough to think that political problems can be solved by seceding.

Don’t let the greener pasture mirage seduce you.

Posted by michaelryan | Report as abusive

Secession will not lead to another civil war. Times are different now.

We should be discussing how to dismantle large parts of the federal government and let the states have more autonomy. We should be discussing what powers make most sense in federal hands and give everything else to the states. A good place to look would be the constitution, which has been largely ignored.

It’s ironic. Most people think of Europe as a very liberal, socialist place but in terms of their form of governance as a union, they have much less centralized power in the EU and more power for individual member states. Clearly they have made some serious monetary policy mistakes, but each state largely has control over its own social issues, outside of a basic set of human rights laws.

We as a nation have gone down the wrong path by becoming a population of busy bodies that are obsessed with enforcing their personal beliefs on others rather than finding their own happiness. At heart, I believe everyone is libertarian. Everyone has an issue that they don’t want government to control (social or financial). The poll of why people support secession did not yield “incoherent” results. Each of those answers falls under the category of not wanting D.C. to have control over a specific issue – the issue that matters a lot to them. Let’s become 50 autonomous states with free travel and trade between borders. Let’s have 50 different flavors of government and let everyone choose the place that’s best for them.

Posted by Greenforce | Report as abusive

SEP 19, 2014
7:57 PM UTC
It’s really funny that of all the superior people commenting here only one knew that the Civil War was justified not by the Constitution but the articles of Confederation which were based on the Federalist Papers.
So much for modern education.
The problem here is that the author has no concept of the Constitution and the Federalist Papers. 1) Articles of Confederation were thrown out when the Constitution was ratified. 2) The Federalist Papers were written by Madison, Hamilton, and John Jay. The Federalist Papers were articles for the ratification of the Constitution. 3) Madison was the prime mover of the Constitution. This person is the one who needs an education. It’s called American Government and is not only taught in high schools in the 50 states but also to immigrants who are applying for American citizenship.

Posted by Kahnie | Report as abusive

The problem is that the Supreme Court, Congress AND the President interpret the powers of the Federal Government from Article I, Section 8, Paragraph 14 which is the “necessary and proper clause.” THAT clause is diametrically opposed to the Tenth Amendment which gives states the powers that are not specially granted to the Federal Government and prohibited to the States. Read the Constitution. Hamilton won this war of policy and Jefferson and the people who wrote the Bill of Rights lost. Madison and Hamilton as well as Jay realized that UNLESS they put the Bill of Rights into the Constitution, that document WOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN RATIFIED.

Posted by Kahnie | Report as abusive

Two facts: From a financial perspective, governments are inefficient. Second, governments have limited accountability since they exist at the top of the power structure.

We need the government to regulate commerce, and John Locke’s four-fold basis of classical liberalism (not the same as “liberal” as it is called today) has been the philosophy so far that has kept us together.

I think the big problems in government are complacency, laziness, greed, and confusing the idea of “can” with “ought.” In effect, this is part of human nature and is what we want to secede from.

Some people want more and bigger nana government, while others have had it up to their eyeballs with government, especially at the federal level. The stage for a thesis and antithesis is slowly being set, as it always has been, and today’s youth will become the major actors in tomorrow’s synthesis of what government should or should not do.

Posted by Heipfmengorken | Report as abusive

Erudite: Have you even read the Tea Party beliefs? Let me recap from their website. Which of these beliefs do you deem radical and stupid, i.e., more radical and stupid than the Harry Reid (Dem) driven Senate trying to tie Obamacare funding to an ISIS funding bill this week? Come on, touch me with your wisdom:

1. Illegal aliens are here illegally.
2. Pro-domestic employment is indispensable.
3. A strong military is essential.
4. Special interests must be eliminated.
5. Gun ownership is sacred.
6. Government must be downsized.
7. The national budget must be balanced.
8. Deficit spending must end.
9. Bailout and stimulus plans are illegal.
10. Reducing personal income taxes is a must.
11. Reducing business income taxes is mandatory.
12. Political offices must be available to average citizens.
13. Intrusive government must be stopped.
14. English as our core language is required.
15. Traditional family values are encouraged.

Posted by hometown | Report as abusive

I have a photo identical to the Stearman PT-17 that a friend owned in El Paso, Texas about 1983. He can remember flying along the Rio Grand (between Texas and Mexico) on hot days and dipping the wheels into the water and cooling off in the splash. Today, we would have to do that on the Red River (between Oklahoma & Texas), because the U.S. Federal Government, under the Obama Presidency, and the Harry Reid Senate, won’t make the Rio Grand a safe place.

Posted by hometown | Report as abusive

LoveJoyOne said, “Texas is a state rich in natural resources, full of a bunch of gun toting anarchists who would love to take the money and run. They might secede, but they wouldn’t succeed.”

Bless your heart. We are a state rich in natural resources, full of a bunch of folks capable of defending themselves who would love to stop supporting your need for our electric grid during your winter, your need for our beef to supplement your wine, and, your need for our grounded collaboration and problem solving abilities to check your bad playground manners.

Posted by hometown | Report as abusive

not very well thought out. all those states would lose the military bases, fed contracts, all fed programs including social security, medicare , medicaid , the entire military. so if they were attacked to bad for you. and those states would go into a depression. THAT’S why when the talk gets to loud the politicians try to calm it dow. but the right has fomented this for 35 years and sooner or later it will happen.

Posted by donincardona | Report as abusive

Three in four Americans DON’T want their state to secede from the U.S. – can I relax and have my tea now? :)

Posted by UauS | Report as abusive

“But any country where 60 million people declare themselves to be sincerely aggrieved — especially one that is fractious by nature — is a country inviting either the sophistry of a demagogue or a serious movement for reform.”

That’s a lot of conjecture. I’m with the previous commenter:

“Three in four Americans DON’T want their state to secede from the U.S. – can I relax and have my tea now?”

Ice tea, actually. A little sugar and a twist of lemon thanks.

Posted by BadChicken | Report as abusive

Some interesting information about Texas..
According to “In six of the past eight years, including the entire tenure of President Barack Obama, Texans got more out of the federal Treasury than they put in…. With an exploding population of younger, more urban and increasingly poor residents — and a state government making cuts to its already minimal spending — more Texans will rely on the federal government for basic services in the years to come.”

Sounds like Texas wants the free ride. Why are they complaining?

According to the Texas Medical Association…” Texas is the uninsured capital of the United States. More than 6.3 million Texans – including 1.2 million children – lack health insurance. Texas’ uninsurance rates, 1.5 to 2 times the national average, create significant problems in the financing and delivery of health care to all Texans. Those who lack insurance coverage typically enjoy far-worse health status than their insured counterparts. Texas workers are less likely to have employment-based health insurance coverage than those in other states. 60 percent of all companies in the US offer health coverage for their employees. In 2009, Texas ranked 49th in the nation, with only 50 percent of Texans having employment-based health insurance coverage. ” – See more at:  /#sthash.BTUPmJLK.dpuf

If Ted Cruz really was concerned about his constituents he should have welcomed Obamacare with a few XXX on his (Obama’s) posterior.

They go on to say ” Lacking a medical home, uninsured people tend to look for health care in the emergency room, the most expensive setting they could possibly choose”
They also point out that these people that don’t have insurance don’t pay. So, prices have to go up & then more companies drop insurance & the cycle continues.

I say if they want to leave then let them & please take Ted with you.

We could always use the extra money.

Posted by somesense | Report as abusive

It is time for action on this overdue issue. What process would be followed? What outcome would be desirable? The country needs ground rules for agglomerating the like minded into contiguous regions through free relocation. There must be no exclaves. State-by-state secessions that create a patchwork quilt, which indeed might be followed by subsequent, county-level secessions from the states would be a disaster. Respectfully acknowledging irreconcilable differences and acting on that would be better than inciting armed insurrections by local militias through ignorant coercive behaviour by big gov.

Posted by mind_emergent | Report as abusive

The growth in anti-government sentiment is very disturbing. Lots of reasons, I know, including genuinely valid concerns about federal overreach. Personally, I feel it’s an upshot of the enormous influence wielded by people like Rupert Murdoch and the Koch brothers, who have very vested personal interests in promoting an anti-government agenda that would see the federal government out of their way to make money any way they see fit. More localized government? I wouldn’t trust most state governments as far as I could toss them (mine included), they’re frequently tools of the economic powerhouses in their states.

I like it that clean air and water are enforced. I like it that my federal government eliminated slavery, Jim Crow, and poll testing. Social security, and medicare are decent solutions to real problems. I like our national parks and refuges; my state is busily eliminated state refuges, and you can bet if big money could be made by digging up public lands most state governments could be bought off to allow it. And no one has shown up to take my guns, in spite of twenty years of people screaming that it’s going to happen any minute.

Finally, we are still a functioning democracy. We have the potential for a genuine revolution every 2 years, and every citizen gets one bullet to fire.

Posted by khiggi | Report as abusive

The message is that we are a country divided. The media doesn’t care. For many of us, the fact of disenfranchisement means no clear options. So we don’t do anything. But if there is an option that looks viable, we will act.

Bear in mind that only 34% believe that is immoral to break the law. That means that 66% believe that they should break the law if they believe the law is immoral. And most of us believe that some of the laws are immoral. So I don’t see a strong commitment to our country’s legal system. Even our first lady said that she was ashamed of our country. If she feels that way. How about the 45% who don’t vote. How do they feel?

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[…] It’s a debate that’s already running beyond ‘home nation’ divides. Newspapers representing the north of England have already called for Northern devolution. The debate raises the prospect of a federal system, variations of which are a strength in Germany, a weakness for Spain and an ostensible success for the US – if you ignore the weight of federal debt, bankrupt states and the fact that around 1-in-4 Americans want their state to secede. […]

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We’re all naturally drawn to others who share our culture and opinions. When an all-powerful, inept, and corrupt central government forces us into an “arranged marriage” with people whose opinions and cultures we abhor, sparks are going to fly…if not outright hate. The hateful comments in this section are proof of it. Why live in hate? Why not allow self-determination for Americans? Purpose of the United Nations: Article 1: Paragraph 2: …respect for equal rights and the self-determination of peoples”. Does this mean we respect self-determination for everyone except the people WE want to control? This doesn’t apply to the US? Jefferson’s wisdom is really coming to light in our Balkanizing world. States rights / local self-determination are key to peaceful coexistence.

Posted by sarkozyrocks | Report as abusive

“The United States hardly seems to be on the verge of fracture, and the small secession movements in a handful of American states today represent a tiny percentage of those polled by Reuters.”

I hardly believe 25% of the population to be insignificant but hey, we writers aren’t supposed to be all good with mathy stuff.

Posted by Steve-0 | Report as abusive

The comments here are hilarious and unabashedly biased toward liberal thinking. If we had most of the commentators posting in the 18th century, most of you would be defending King George and Parliment. The fact of the matter is that the federal government has, and particularly under the current administration, overreached.

It’s only the constant voices of dissent and displeasure that have kept this overreach from becoming a blatant grab for power. Anti-government sentiment doesn’t grow from thin air, but expands across a populace with every indiscretion and injustice a government commits against it’s people. Especially when government does what it’s not supposed to do to us (force us buy insurance under penalty), and won’t do what it’s supposed to do for us (allowing illegal immigrants in by the train load). The mid-term elections will be the first battle in a long war to restore this nation to the one I remember and love.

Posted by MBogus77 | Report as abusive

Mmmmm, secession talk sure is fun, isn’t it? I love all the ignorant partisan hatred it brings out, not to mention the rampant denigration of states by myopic people who likely have never lived there. I am from Texas. I don’t own a gun. I think the idea of secession is stupid. However, to those of you alleging that if Texas were to secede (for the sake of discussion) it would fail miserably, think again. It is one of the only states with a real shot at doing so. It has many agricultural products with cotton, rice, soy, corn, vegetables and fruits. Its history is in cattle ranching. There is also plenty of other animal husbandry as well. It would instantly be an exporter of energy and natural gas, and it contains roughly 40 percent of the nation’s refining capacity(this fact alone is why the federal gov’t would NEVER let us-read: buy us off or invade- secede anyway) and vast oilfields to supply them. It has a lengthy coastline with 5 ports, two of which are deepwater capable. It has vast forests in the east for timber. It has a great many citizens who carry generations worth of ingrained independence who would put their heads down and go to work at making it work.

All of this is idle speculation, and borders on the silly, yet I felt compelled to point this out in light of all the Texas bashing going on here. I did not vote for Ted Cruz, but politics aside his constant disturbance of the Washington insiders embodies the spirit of that ingrained independence I was talking about. Trash us all you want, but I invite you to check out the droves of people moving here by the week. The low cost of living and healthy job market apparently means something to someone. I invite all of you haters to come spend some time down here. Most people here are friendly and helpful to their neighbors. Spend some quality time here and then revisit your opinions and base them on actual experience. If you end up 30 miles north of Houston, you might even run into me. I barbecue on Saturdays-something else we know something about. Peace!

Posted by BarefootScholar | Report as abusive

*So I don’t see a strong commitment to our country’s legal system.*

Well – indeed, and that starts at the top. It’s clear the the Federal Government ignores the rule of law; the NSA and it’s spying proves this. Once the government doesn’t see the need to follow the ‘rule of law’ – then why should the people?

Posted by Overcast451 | Report as abusive

Kind of strange,that poorer people would want to succeed.They are the ones taking advantage of big govt.Maybe,depends on what type govt they are leaving.I would guess,here in California,the welfare state,that the poor love govt and wouldn’t want to succeed.

Posted by jrj906202 | Report as abusive

The amount of “us vs. them” arguments in these comments shows one major reason that there are so many interested in seceding – and the major reason why it won’t work. Each of the commenters is pointing to some subset of the population as a good reason to secede, i.e., to get rid of “them”. I see people sniping at the poor, at different political groups, the wealthy “powerhouses”, etc. What none of you seem to realize that you, too, are one of “them” in the eyes of someone else. The United States of America has been fractured into so many different and shifting factions, secession seems inevitable, but none of those factions are actually geographic. So what, we each decide which roving band of compatriots we will be “citizens” of, even while mixing with the other factions at work, our neighborhoods or apartment buildings, the grocery store and restaurants? None of these factions have enough individual coherence to succeed at secession. Not a single one of us can claim to be exclusively of one faction or another, because they overlap. The only way to make these factions separate is to be so specific as to be ridiculous. Will one state be the “White Episcopalians with Teaching Credentials” and another be “Lesbian Moms owning a Toyota vehicle”? That’s why secession is inevitable, and a catastrophe waiting to happen: you all find reasons why you are different from “those” people, and can’t find common ground. And without common ground, you might as well be standing in quicksand.

Posted by ReverendMik | Report as abusive

Here’s to common ground, ReverendMik

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In Siskiyou County, CA last June, 44.12% voted in favor of a Constitutional Republic! tml

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