Comments on: Yes, thank you, we’re more courteous than ever http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/2011/10/20/yes-thank-you-were-more-courteous-than-ever/ Wed, 13 Apr 2016 01:13:45 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: Bob9999 http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/2011/10/20/yes-thank-you-were-more-courteous-than-ever/#comment-9 Sun, 23 Oct 2011 15:14:38 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/?p=6#comment-9 As an American, let me say that if you want more courtesy, look to Canada.

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By: Ian_Kemmish http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/2011/10/20/yes-thank-you-were-more-courteous-than-ever/#comment-8 Sat, 22 Oct 2011 20:01:10 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/?p=6#comment-8 The only circumstance in which chatting to the check-out person is civil is when there is nobody in the queue behind you. I can’t remember the last time that happened to me. If there’s a queue behind you it’s downright antisocial.

Courtesy is no more and no less than the practical application of the Philosopher’s Golden Rule.

Unfortunately, this is a state of unstable equilibrium. Because I am courteous, I try to make sure that as little as possible of the noise I make permeates to my next door neighbour. Because she hears nothing, she assumes that the connecting walls are perfectly insulating and that she can make as much noise as she wants, whenever she wants. And of course, nothing short of outright discourtesy on my part will ever disabuse her of that notion.

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By: carbonel http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/2011/10/20/yes-thank-you-were-more-courteous-than-ever/#comment-7 Sat, 22 Oct 2011 18:35:10 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/?p=6#comment-7 On the matter of male gallantry towards women: I have never observed women taking offence at it (perhaps I am not very gallant, but I think Italians are a bit different in their manners), but the evident equality of women now makes many old-fashioned rules of behaviour towards women seem pointless nonsense to men like myself. When women are no longer at a disadvantage, it is not gallantry but self-abasement to defer to them. That said, some courtesy towards women remains in the form of token gestures.
And it is too much of a sweeping statement to say that until your generation (I’m younger) men deferred to women out of gallantry. My grandmother was born into a mining community where deference to women didn’t exist. Women laboured as slaves to inconsiderate men who ironically were very proud of being “the workers”, and this was accepted as right and normal by the women as well as the men.

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By: LYSANDER_0 http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/2011/10/20/yes-thank-you-were-more-courteous-than-ever/#comment-6 Sat, 22 Oct 2011 16:42:15 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/?p=6#comment-6 Mr. Lloyd’s essay, FBreughel1’s criticisim, and the angel sculpture (given where it is) make me wonder if there isn’t hope for us humans, after all. Is that reading too much into some words and a picture?

I guess that I come down on the side of FBreughel1’s DECENCY, but we can be civil between the times when we must be DECENT, and they are often one and the same.

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By: FBreughel1 http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/2011/10/20/yes-thank-you-were-more-courteous-than-ever/#comment-5 Sat, 22 Oct 2011 11:27:31 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/?p=6#comment-5 It’s extremely sad to see someone utterly missing the time spirit. Today, it is of vital importance to call a horse a horse. Not to overlay everything with a thick layer of niceties and political correctiveness. White collar crime tends to be very polite.

What the world needs, dear Mr Lloyd, you’re not selling. It is called DECENCY. And I don’t care if DECENCY is rude.

And to refer what David Cameron has said, perhaps you should come down from the white tower and read some ordinary British newspapers. You will be amazed how sick the current UK situation is and how bad Mr. Camerons performancy is in solving it. Likely you need another guy because this one is sitting there for himself and only himself. While everybody smiles and acts civil.

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By: Shukla http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/2011/10/20/yes-thank-you-were-more-courteous-than-ever/#comment-4 Sat, 22 Oct 2011 02:54:54 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/?p=6#comment-4 manners being passed on from the aristrocracy. nice insight!

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By: JamesDDG http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/2011/10/20/yes-thank-you-were-more-courteous-than-ever/#comment-3 Fri, 21 Oct 2011 21:59:16 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/?p=6#comment-3 I find the optimistic claims of this article quite unconvincing.

Sure, life today is less violent than it has been during much of our history. It would be interesting to read a book on the subject written by a prominent historian. (As opposed to one written by Steven Pinker who of course is just a psychologist, not a scientific expert on history.)

But the development during the last 50 years or so hardly warrants any glowing optimism when it comes to the question of civility. We know for a fact that American kids have substantially lower levels of empathy today than a few decades ago. 40% lower empathy, in fact. (http://ns.umich.edu/htdocs/releases/sto ry.php?id=7724) I find it very unlikely that the situation here in Europe is very different.

And since a lack of empathy is the cornerstone of a broad spectrum of antisocial behaviours ranging from trivial rudeness to outright violence and criminality, a more credible claim about the current situation would be that the many stories in the media about rudeness and violence are simply based in reality. We are not victims of a mass hallucination: antisocial behaviours are de facto becoming more and more common, not less.

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