Comments on: The Tea Party has drowned http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/2012/03/14/the-tea-party-has-drowned/ Wed, 13 Apr 2016 01:13:45 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: Caricommsteve http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/2012/03/14/the-tea-party-has-drowned/#comment-301 Mon, 19 Mar 2012 15:52:42 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/?p=212#comment-301 Yeah, lets get a few unbiased things straight:

1) Rush was an idiot an out of line saying that about that girl who was just giving voice to a legitimate argument on a cause.

2) Bill Maher was out of line for spewing that type of language at any point in time. If you get a laugh out of what he said, then your part of the problem also.

3) Barack Obama, the person, has been proven to be a genuine person.

Questions for Mr Lloyd:
If the Tea Party and hence the GOP is dead, where did it go? What do you think the outcome in November will be?

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By: TheGame2 http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/2012/03/14/the-tea-party-has-drowned/#comment-297 Fri, 16 Mar 2012 21:35:34 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/?p=212#comment-297 @ Citizen 1052: I realize I’m a day late on this but c’est la vie. It seems to me that the billions in deficits that the state of California has added in 9 of the last 10 years happens to be under the rule and “guidance” of the republican party.

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By: Ifeanyi http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/2012/03/14/the-tea-party-has-drowned/#comment-296 Fri, 16 Mar 2012 05:35:22 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/?p=212#comment-296 this is one of the most well written articles – if not the best – i’ve read in recent times. it strikes such a healthy balance of genuine civility and reason it almost makes me so envious.

and the readers, as usual, may try to ignore this outstanding fact as they engage and try to gore one another in one of those endless parochial political bumfights where they attempt to assert who holds the smartest, most righteous, most moral and most politically correct of positions in that most chaotic and most dubious region of our lives – the trepid region of human self governance.

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By: Ifeanyi http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/2012/03/14/the-tea-party-has-drowned/#comment-295 Fri, 16 Mar 2012 05:32:24 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/?p=212#comment-295 this is one of the most well written articles – if not the best – i’ve read in recent times. it strikes such a healthy balance of genuine civility and reason it almost makes me so envious.

and the readers, as usual, may try to ignore this outstanding fact as they engage and try to gore one another in one of those endless parochial political bumfights where they attempt to assert who holds the smartest, most righteous, most moral and most politically correct of positions in that most chaotic and most dubious region of our lives – the trepid region of human self governance.

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By: Ifeanyi http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/2012/03/14/the-tea-party-has-drowned/#comment-294 Fri, 16 Mar 2012 05:03:05 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/?p=212#comment-294 this is one of – if not – the most well written articles i’ve come across in recent times. it strikes such a healthy balance of genuine civility and reason it almost makes me envious.

and maybe, as usual, the readers would blatantly ignore this outstanding fact while trying to gore one another in parochial political bumfights as they try to determine who holds the smartest, most righteous, most moral and most politically correct position in these tenacious regions of our generation’s moral, physical, mental and spiritual wastelands…

the scary regions of governing ourselves…

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By: Californiaexpat http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/2012/03/14/the-tea-party-has-drowned/#comment-293 Fri, 16 Mar 2012 02:31:35 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/?p=212#comment-293 @Citizen1052 – you do realize that, up until the last election, it was a Republican that was running California, right? And California’s problems stem from it’s difficult budgetary laws and the fact that the overwhelming majority of budgetary spending is mandated by law (which was passed by voter-backed propositions – not state government)- something that the legislature cannot change.

California has massive problems, but boiling them down to “Progressivism”is an oversimplification that does not do anything to solve the problem.

@Nonchalanto: I almost completely agree with you, except for the statement that a President Romney wouldn’t be much different. While I’m disappointed with Obama for many reasons (Gitmo, Afghanistan, his extension of Executive power, etc.), I find Romney to be the worst type of political opportunist – even worse than Palin. He will say anything to get elected, as evidenced by the amount of times he has changed positions and gone back on his accomplishments as Massachusetts Governor

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By: jmmx http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/2012/03/14/the-tea-party-has-drowned/#comment-292 Thu, 15 Mar 2012 21:15:13 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/?p=212#comment-292 On the Bill Maher/Rush Limbaugh equivalence – If Maher really did call Palin a c**t I would have to take issue with it. Entertainer or not, that language is shameful!

There is one point, however, where there is a huge difference. Ms. Palin entered the political processes, and while this still does not excuse the language, in so doing these days, one puts oneself in the line of attack. I assume that one needs to develop a thick skin and pass such slurs off as crude and reflecting on the person using them more than on the object.

Ms. Fluke, however, was not in that position. She was not running for a national office on an extremist and derogatory campaign. No, she was merely a young woman speaking up at a congressional hearing o a topic on which she had some expertise and experience. The unleashing of such violent invective by Limbaugh is not only crude, but is inherently intimidating. As such it is profoundly undemocratic.

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By: jmmx http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/2012/03/14/the-tea-party-has-drowned/#comment-291 Thu, 15 Mar 2012 20:56:54 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/?p=212#comment-291 “the reliance on the state to take care of the elderly and the physically and mentally disabled; the shifts we make with our children to pursue careers and make a larger income — all of these are, indeed, inconvenient truths, …And we in Western Europe are more dependent on the state to take care of these problems than are Americans.”

The inconvenient truth (for the right wing) is that we no longer live in a society in which elderly and the disabled CAN be taken care of by the family. For, in those earlier societies, children and grandparents and disabled (if the disabled were not killed outright) were taken care of by the extended family and/or the community (sometimes there was little difference).

But that is no longer possible since (as you also note) “the shifts we make with our children to pursue careers and make a larger income” leave a family dispersed over a nation or even a globe. Additionally, many families have only one or two children which makes it even more difficult for familial care.

And so, to answer these issues, we extend the term “community” to cover the extended community – i.e. the state. We have us all chip in – in advance when possible – to cover these issues and avoid the burden of impossible care on the few. This to me seems not only a more rational way of doing things, but a more christian way as well.

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By: Citizen1052 http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/2012/03/14/the-tea-party-has-drowned/#comment-290 Thu, 15 Mar 2012 18:44:59 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/?p=212#comment-290 @nonchalanto: You asked for evidence of the damage done by this kind of governing? You need look no further than California, the state with 12% of the US population but 1/3 of all welfare recipients. Personally, I don’t hold Pres. Obama personally responsible for all the ills we currently face. I blame ‘progressivism’ – an ill-conceived notion that sounds noble, but ultimately proves itself a tyrant. It’s destroying California, the state that’s added billions in deficits every year for 9 of the last 10 years. What we are seeing right now in CA is the result of when progressivism runs out of other people’s money to spend.

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By: nonchalanto http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/2012/03/14/the-tea-party-has-drowned/#comment-287 Thu, 15 Mar 2012 15:25:51 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/?p=212#comment-287 Like the author said, some teabagging dead-enders still won’t go home :-)Whatever happened to the birthers btw?

One thing you notice about the tea baggers is that they never quite point to anything specific of the so-called “failures” of Obama. They just throw out vague swaths of nonsense like “Obama hates capitalism” or “Obama is the worst president in history” or “Obama is a failure” or “Obama increased the deficits” (like they actually know/care what deficit means). If the damage is so colossal, we should all see the evidence. Where is it? What is it exactly that this guy has done that makes him such a failure? Amorphous declarations like “Obama increased the deficits” ignores the fact that ANY American president would do precisely what he’s done to prevent more severe hemorrhaging in our economy. Economists only disagree on whether the increased government spending was enough or too little. He (and I’m sure any other president) did the right thing. And I’m sure even the conservatives know that too…because, that is exactly what Bush did when push came to shove. The tea baggers just never seem to provide any basis for the fevered ranting. Obama is clearly working hard to manage the country through a particularly challenging time. Anecdotally, if he was so bad, I think SNL and the late night show hosts should have some meat to cut into. But they have nothing…nothing to ridicule our president about. Does that sound like a disasterous failure or someone simply working hard at his job?

Its easy to blame Obama for the slow economic recovery, high gas prices, excessive snow in the northeast and particularly the drought in Texas. But reasonable people can look at what he has actually DONE and make an assessment of whether his actions/plans were the right ones of not, under the circumstances, and articulate alternatives.

I agree with an earlier comment that the tea baggers problem with Obama is NOT one of policy differences. In fact it’s not clear to me that a Romney presidency will be materially different (policy wise) from an Obama presidency. The only difference would be that Congress will again chuck their “conservatism” and be more than happy to sign checks for the same level of government spending :-)

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