Comments on: For Europe, it doesn’t get better http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/2012/04/04/for-europe-it-doesnt-get-better/ Wed, 13 Apr 2016 01:13:45 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: Dafydd http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/2012/04/04/for-europe-it-doesnt-get-better/#comment-340 Tue, 10 Apr 2012 13:12:33 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/?p=249#comment-340 “[no one] has yet been able to articulate and win assent for a manifest truth: that Europe’s centrality to world events, wealth and cultural dominance over long centuries are now much reduced,”

This is because no one ever saw Europe that way. There were various European empires. Then the countries of Europe, in accepting that their individual centrality to evenats was much diminished, banded together to retain as a unit some centrality to events.

Europe today is more important to world events than Belgium was in the 19th century.

The real problem is a disconnect in European ambition between the peoples and elites.

On top of that Europe needs to decide if it will really have its own foreign policy. There is a choice to be made between prolonong tyhe life of NATO and proper European engagement in world events. You can’t have both.

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By: ZGHerm http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/2012/04/04/for-europe-it-doesnt-get-better/#comment-339 Tue, 10 Apr 2012 01:01:24 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/?p=249#comment-339 I think the biggest problem is that we are still picking details and discuss them instead of looking at the big picture, taking on the real problems.
1. Trying to pull of a financial, economical Union without structural, fundamental Union was always going to end in disaster. As soon as the years of prosperity came to a halt, the false foundations have been exposed and now simply “repainting the walls”, or the cosmetic financial adjustments will not reverse the rotting. Only a full socio-economic integration could make any Union work.
2. The even bigger problem is that the core engine of the whole global economy is also false and it is also broken. We are not in a crisis, or recession, we entered system failure. The present constant growth, expansive, exploitative (based on tricking, brainwashing consumers to keep on buying products they do not need and are harmful, for money they do not have) economic model has become self destructive after reaching and leaving tipping point in 2008, as it is totally unnatural and unsustainable. And this is true to each and every country including the US, the emerging market countries, Africa, Australia and so on.
The politicians are simply playing their games for positions, personal legacies, but they do not even preteen any more that they have meaningful solutions, just look at G20 meetings, European crisis meetings and the election campaigns all over the world.
What we can learn from the European example is that a Union is necessary for prosperity, or any hope for sustainable future in today’s global, integral world, but for the Union to work we need full integration, from ground up, in a supra-national, mutual, democratic and equal way.

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By: ubikwit http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/2012/04/04/for-europe-it-doesnt-get-better/#comment-338 Fri, 06 Apr 2012 16:54:40 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/?p=249#comment-338 “… discover a political and economic structure that can ensure renewed growth…”

i think that we had a semblance of that, and it was deregulated away in a covert economic neo-imperialism in the name of “globalization” executed by priests of the finance class that had overtly infiltrated government.

they managed to effect a redistribution of wealth upward on an unprecedented scale, after the house of cards of “wealth creation” that they sold to your neighborhood mutual fund holding pension funds.

corporations are hoarding cash, because they want to perpetuate a false hierarchy that the executives and shareholders think their wealth should afford them.

governments are in debt, however, and are subject to media pressure to prevent them from funding a recovery that would force the corporations to compete in an open market in a
“political and economic structure that can ensure renewed growth” that was returned to normalcy in terms of regulation and risk to the investor class (and maybe stiffer penalties for white-collar crime).

how can governments force corporations–which still appear to be exercising undue leverage over governments–to invest or face the prospect that their hoard of cash will become diminished in value?

there must be some tax-related policy initiatives that could encourage such corporate behavior.

it is clear that austerity is unfairly and intolerably targeting the members of the working class that are being driven to destitution.

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By: PseudoTurtle http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/2012/04/04/for-europe-it-doesnt-get-better/#comment-337 Fri, 06 Apr 2012 14:49:47 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/?p=249#comment-337 The US politicians would do well to pay attention to French politics, but they won’t because they have lost touch with reality. The French people, as usual, are far ahead of everyone else.

And they are willing to back up their demands with action, if their message doesn’t get through. That’s why French politicians pay attention to the French people.

Likewise, the American people would also do well to pay attention to French politics for the same reasons.

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Sarkozy has transformed himself from responsible European statesman into an anti-immigrant, anti-free-trade superpatriot (and his ratings improved). Hollande, from the Socialist Party’s moderate wing, has likewise transformed, but into a “hater” of the rich. Both see strong contenders to their right and left: Marine Le Pen of the far-right Front National has faltered recently – perhaps because Sarkozy has stolen some of her clothes – but she still polls at around 14 percent. And on the left, former Socialist minister Jean-Luc Mélenchon has swung hard-left, put together a group that includes the Communist Party, and seen his support rising in the latest poll, for LH2/Yahoo, up to 15 percent so far.

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By: Parker1227 http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/2012/04/04/for-europe-it-doesnt-get-better/#comment-336 Fri, 06 Apr 2012 08:58:22 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/?p=249#comment-336 This is the way excessive government and union bloat always ends. Too many unfunded pensions promised to too many early retirees. Too much union inspired protectionism (and stupid employment laws)killing job growth.

Schools and colleges taken over by anti-capitalist (government salaried) Marxist agitators pretending to be professors.

This is where Obama wants to take us.

Let’s hope the voters get a clue.

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By: Parker1227 http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/2012/04/04/for-europe-it-doesnt-get-better/#comment-335 Fri, 06 Apr 2012 08:58:18 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/?p=249#comment-335 This is the way excessive government and union bloat always ends. Too many unfunded pensions promised to too many early retirees. Too much union inspired protectionism (and stupid employment laws)killing job growth.

Schools and colleges taken over by anti-capitalist (government salaried) Marxist agitators pretending to be professors.

This is where Obama wants to take us.

Let’s hope the voters get a clue.

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By: ColeS http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/2012/04/04/for-europe-it-doesnt-get-better/#comment-334 Fri, 06 Apr 2012 05:15:04 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/?p=249#comment-334 Terrific shame that the one economic system that works – the one born in Britain and which led ALL the classes out of the swamps of misery 300 years ago – has been abandoned for flashy retools of old, failed models of social engineering and cronysim.

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By: variola http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/2012/04/04/for-europe-it-doesnt-get-better/#comment-333 Thu, 05 Apr 2012 19:40:51 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/?p=249#comment-333 It may be difficult to determine how much of this was brought on by the creation of the Eurozone, but I personally believe that the Euro was a grand experiment that put the cart about half a mile in front of the horse.

Unpleasant though it may seem, preserving the Euro is only going to extend the time to recovery. The Euro’s very existence is preventing the natual forces that should be in effect from getting at the problem. The unpopular reality is that a big chunk of Europe has been getting a free lunch for a long time.

Scrap the Euro now and get on with the solution, or drag it out for ten miserable years, then end up scrapping it when things are far worse.

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By: Paats-W. http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/2012/04/04/for-europe-it-doesnt-get-better/#comment-332 Thu, 05 Apr 2012 05:40:24 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/?p=249#comment-332 the malaise in Europe reflects the lack of legitimacy of governing structures; politicians are not rooted deep enough; lack of transparency and “managed democracy” techniques have been used for too long; traditional elements of society have been brushed aside;
there is no need to have so many young unemployed, it is easy to share existing jobs with them, but to do that and address efficiently other major structural problems, you need the family to discuss it around the sunday lunch table and make a firm decision to implement it; but not many such sunday family lunches do happen at the moment;. Time is coming when letting natural social structures resurrect themselves becomes widespread; then cooperation and harmony might make a surprising comeback;

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