Comments on: A church divided against itself cannot stand http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/2012/11/27/a-church-divided-against-itself-cannot-stand/ Wed, 13 Apr 2016 01:13:45 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: Karlos1001 http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/2012/11/27/a-church-divided-against-itself-cannot-stand/#comment-1414 Sun, 02 Dec 2012 16:58:56 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/?p=591#comment-1414 Numbers do not equate to truth… otherwise Hitler would have been justified.

Additionally what the World or the Clergy wants, has nothing at all to do with what the Church should do, but God’s Word dictates truth, not Man’s. For it is by God’s Word that we are sanctified from the ways, lifestyles and deeds of the World.

John 17:17
Sanctify them by the truth; your word is truth.

Paul is clearly seen to command that a believing women should neither teach or exercise authority over a believing man, in both Church and believing home. He points the truthful seeker to the Creation Account and the events of The Fall to validate his ‘seemingly’ bigoted commands.

It is there that we discover that the order of our creation has left a vulnerability within Mankind, that an enemy had once exploited seeks to do so again. A vulnerability that can only be remedied by our adherence to God’s authoritative order.

However, after nearly 2000 years of adherence to God’s protective order, we see once again the same rebellion that led to the first apostasy being repeated, even a deceived Eve usurping her head… and an Adam casting-off God’s command that he might knowingly rebel

Better expounded here:
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By: NigelTH http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/2012/11/27/a-church-divided-against-itself-cannot-stand/#comment-1412 Sat, 01 Dec 2012 07:26:09 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/?p=591#comment-1412 Those who oppose the consecration of women as bishops fly in the face of contemporary biblical exegesis.

It is, simply put, misleading to say that “scripture” sides with those who oppose women as bishops. Scripture can say almost anything.

In the New Testament we see a very different picture than in much of the Old Testament, and for much of the New Testament (though certainly not all) women hold a place of equality in the leadership of the early Christian community:
– In all four canonical gospels Jesus is shown as including women as equals among his inner circle;
– Across the canonical and extra-canonical gospels a leadership struggle between Mary Magdalene and Peter is played out – Luke gives the mantle to Peter, the Gospel of Mary to Mary. At the very least this reflects differing views of women as leaders in the early Church, with some embracing women as leaders.
– The genuine letters of Paul (7 out of 13) promote a radically equal role for women, including one (Junia) whom Paul describes as “prominent among the apostles” (Romans 16:7 NRSV).

The reality is more complex than this article suggests, and offers much stronger support for women as leaders than the conservative factions within many Christian churches claim.

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By: Dafydd http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/2012/11/27/a-church-divided-against-itself-cannot-stand/#comment-1411 Thu, 29 Nov 2012 11:43:24 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/?p=591#comment-1411 “It is basic management theory that few things are worse for an organization than uncertainty at the top. …. In religion, certainty … seems to win.”

Well, as you yourself pointed out in life, rather than just in religion, certainty wins.

And by the way, so far as “thy desire shall be to thy husband and he shall rule over thee.” goes, that would be between married couples. Rather than between pastor and flock. So not much getting around at all.

But the real issue is the division. You don’t need management theory to know it will wither be fatal or resolved.

“A house divided against itself cannot stand”. Who said that??

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By: usagadfly http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/2012/11/27/a-church-divided-against-itself-cannot-stand/#comment-1410 Wed, 28 Nov 2012 23:02:23 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/?p=591#comment-1410 Yes, social fact indicates there should be much more concern for the alienation of men than for the promotion and preferences for women, which has been established fact in the US for almost a half century. That is where social destruction lies. Males must feel included, and not just the ruling class. The ruling class does not fight wars. The existence of patriarchy among the wealthy and the powerful does not justify oppressing politically weak males.

Western leadership is, simply, asleep at the wheel.

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By: NBresht http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/2012/11/27/a-church-divided-against-itself-cannot-stand/#comment-1409 Wed, 28 Nov 2012 03:49:45 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/?p=591#comment-1409 The challenge of every society is to bind-in its young males, who otherwise are happy to either disconnect or, Samson-like, shake down the pillars of the temple in which they feel no stake. Different social roles for males and females merely reflect the huge average difference in motivations and impulses that divide the sexes. Recognizing this is key to a sustainable culture – or religion. Viewing the Anglican debate through the lens of formal legal equality is absurd. It’s notable that those prone to so view matters are untroubled by growing disparities in male participation in work or family life or their overwhelming preponderance in prisons or in workplace death statistics. An Anglican church run by females will simply become more and more of a culturally irrelevant, male-less ghetto.

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By: SayHey http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/2012/11/27/a-church-divided-against-itself-cannot-stand/#comment-1408 Tue, 27 Nov 2012 21:36:08 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/?p=591#comment-1408 Centuries old practices, rooted in Scripture, should not lightly be changed on the basis of the latest equal opportunity fad – this is not about corporate employment.

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