Comments on: Italy elects the impossible http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/2013/02/26/italy-elects-the-impossible/ Wed, 13 Apr 2016 01:13:45 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: Willvp http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/2013/02/26/italy-elects-the-impossible/#comment-1541 Wed, 27 Feb 2013 17:01:20 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/?p=709#comment-1541 Somewhere the author forgot the major point about these elections.

I will repeat so you will not forget:

Italy voted AGAINST the EU and with reason!

Most of the EU contries will vote TODAY against the EURO but in favor of a EU Trade agreement. As long as they stop impoverishing the public by stealing their money to give to the Goldie’s from the world.

Who, in his/her right mind would vote for charlatan-leaders who, in europe, did not bring ONE CULPRIT TO BOOK and yes gave those same crooks billions of euro’s to continue their onslaught?

I should also vote for anybody, just to get rid of the EU dictators.

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By: grenyx http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/2013/02/26/italy-elects-the-impossible/#comment-1540 Wed, 27 Feb 2013 11:38:31 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/?p=709#comment-1540 And why is Grillo a threat to reforms? Have the other 2 parties which have held power over the past few decades showed that they were able, let alone willing, to reform something? Bersani, even after the results gave him a mandate to govern, albeit not a clear one, has still to produce a clear road map. (Try listening to his speech after the elections…Those who didn’t fall asleep after the first few sentences are still trying to decipher what he said or intended to say) Berlusconi…well….you know him…a man well versed in reform but, as someone rightly put: “verba volant…”. Or maybe the reforms intended in this article and in the media in general aren’t those which a country like Italy really needs at the moment.
Maybe Grillo is right that a good house-sweeping is necessary first in order to pass on to a second phase of reforms. What he preaches is not fantasy but things that would seem normal in any other country. (another article went so far as to describe him as xenophobic…and how exactly is that so? Because he’s not exactly pro EU? Hmmmm…) A few examples: max. 2 legislation periods per politician (isn’t that the norm for the President?); no criminals, indicted et al. in Public Offices (I couldn’t join a police force or run for office in another country if I had a criminal record, could I?); That people at higher levels actually go to jail when found guilty (a novel concept for Italy, but not only…)
In any case, the task is hard one and before anything can change in Italy, the culture has to change and, in the end, that has to happen at the top first. As the saying goes: “fish start to rot at the head”. The hope is that this can be changed to “Lead by Example”.

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By: Dafydd http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/2013/02/26/italy-elects-the-impossible/#comment-1539 Wed, 27 Feb 2013 10:31:33 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/?p=709#comment-1539 I love the Italians. For the umpteenth time, you elitists AUSTERITY ISN’T WORKING. Monti is the impossiblist.

All your money countst for nothing. The financial system is broken. Either give it up and reform, or face the guilotine post revolution.

Is the Western elite brighter than Mubarak?

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By: CDN_Rebel http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/2013/02/26/italy-elects-the-impossible/#comment-1538 Wed, 27 Feb 2013 00:03:29 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/?p=709#comment-1538 Italy is an original signatory of the treaty which created the Eurozone. They are an integral part of the Eurozone. They might as well be a province in the nation called Europe. Trouble is that most nations/people who agreed with the treaty in the first place didn’t realize that they had to give up some sovereignty to make it fly. Now when their own mistakes are costing them a bit more of that sovereignty they balk and protest and cry and wail. Should’ve read the fine print, because now their protest doesn’t just affect their nation, but every other member of the Eurozone. This is the EXACT reason the Brits didn’t sign on for full membership, because they want the right to screw up their own country without having others have a legitimate say in those very affairs. I still think they did more harm than good to themselves by not joining, but my thought is the Brits still think somewhere in the back of their minds that the sun never sets on the British Empire. Tell it to me again once Scotland leaves the UK, Ireland reunites and Wales is independent. It’ll all happen within 10 years, and those new nations will all join the EU…

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By: keebo http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/2013/02/26/italy-elects-the-impossible/#comment-1537 Tue, 26 Feb 2013 19:17:32 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/?p=709#comment-1537 “Mario Monti, …. He reassured other European states and the global financial markets and institutions, but his reforms were often blocked. Those that succeeded hurt, … the lower-income, the honest and the young.” It seems that those who would operate the government for the benefit of institutions outside of Italy lost.

Were not these outside entities also the same that produced one of the world’s worst financial disasters? Those responsible for the corruptions and stupidities have never been held accountable by these entities and examples have not been made. Maybe such an imperfect election result is the best to be had from a society held captive by that very same scum.

Could it be that morality might play some role in a rescue? No, just perish that thought. A relativist solution that is ambivalent toward rules is always the way to go. Where is the quick profit otherwise? Besides, routes that take long term human relationships and interaction into account require too much time, effort, and thought to contemplate.

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By: reality-again http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/2013/02/26/italy-elects-the-impossible/#comment-1536 Tue, 26 Feb 2013 17:47:36 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/?p=709#comment-1536 The crisis in Italy is morphing, and some things are already pretty much certain:
1. Nothing good will come out of it
2. The crisis in France will be bigger, as well as more meaningful to the future of Europe
3. The EU, ECB etc. will keep generating plenty of useless decisions preceded and backed by plenty of resolute yet meaningless words, and fewer Europeans will even bother to pay attention to them, as Italian voters have already done.

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