Comments on: The European Union’s unending quandary http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/2013/05/21/the-european-unions-unending-quandary/ Wed, 13 Apr 2016 01:13:45 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: Mexberry http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/2013/05/21/the-european-unions-unending-quandary/#comment-1696 Mon, 27 May 2013 13:29:08 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/?p=798#comment-1696 It seems to me that the UK and I’m sure other countries in the south of Europe would prefer a free trade arrangement along the lines of NAFTA but with the free movement of labour added. This way economic but not full social union is achieved. Parliaments in each individual country would then be more effective and responsible to their citizens.

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By: Samrch http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/2013/05/21/the-european-unions-unending-quandary/#comment-1694 Thu, 23 May 2013 01:25:24 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/?p=798#comment-1694 The first step has to be creation of Europe wide elections of offices with power to coordinate and common economic laws and courts. The US had the Articles of Confederation which failed for all the reasons the EU will and was replaced by the Constitution. It happened in one step after the Confederation failed worst and worst over time.

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By: Samrch http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/2013/05/21/the-european-unions-unending-quandary/#comment-1693 Thu, 23 May 2013 01:18:40 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/?p=798#comment-1693 The EU has most of the problems of the Articles of Confederation. But EU states unlike US States are unlikely to go for a united economic government and uniform laws on corruption and other economic maters and a single court system for interstate issues. In fact they have very little in the way of laws so the actors involved know the results before hand. The leaders only answerable to one state hold meetings without much laws a sort kangaroo court.

There is no strong offices filled by Europe wide election. So that means each leader is for his own nation only. Without Europe wide elections of the powerful one can only expect, a total lack of coordination of the parts.

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By: ptiffany http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/2013/05/21/the-european-unions-unending-quandary/#comment-1692 Wed, 22 May 2013 22:08:18 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/?p=798#comment-1692 Economic definitions:
• Recession (archaic) – two or more quarters of less than zero growth in Gross Domestic Product (GDP)
• Recession (since computerized econometric models 40 years ago) – two or more quarters of less than break-even growth
• Break-Even Growth: Economic growth at the point of population growth
• Depression – two or more years of recession

It’s interesting how these economic “journalists” cannot use the D-Word – Depression.

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By: OneOfTheSheep http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/2013/05/21/the-european-unions-unending-quandary/#comment-1691 Wed, 22 May 2013 08:06:43 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/?p=798#comment-1691 So the Common Market isn’t so “common”. The Euro is on life support. The economic “have nots” are head-butting the “haves”, who, surprise, surprise, own most of the “assets in play”.

As an economic soap opera, it’s quite entertaining. Sort of like watching a game of Monopoly played backwards.

But there is much genuine misery. Why are those responsible so invisible and impossible to bring to account? The sheer scope of stupidity and incompetence is impossible to comprehend in proper context.

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By: satori23 http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/2013/05/21/the-european-unions-unending-quandary/#comment-1689 Tue, 21 May 2013 18:35:38 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/?p=798#comment-1689 Well, we do have folks in EU Parliament that reflect and represent sentiment of electorate, illustrating autocratic (elitist, if you prefer) nature of European democracy along the way.

As Mr. Swoboda told Mr. Rehn the other day: “you are responsible to this parliament, the troika is not, stop the troika – we don’t need it”.

I like your recognition Mr. Lloyd, of the elitist Europe, as much as I don’t like populist answers to it. It seems somewhat important to note though, that the idea, conceived by Plato ages ago has met some profound critique that can now be observed in reality.

I’ll quote ”wika-wakka”, to summarize issue:

”Karl Popper blamed Plato for the rise of totalitarianism in the 20th century, seeing Plato’s philosopher kings, with their dreams of ‘social engineering’ and ‘idealism’, as leading directly to Joseph Stalin and Adolf Hitler (via Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel and Karl Marx).”

I don’t care if folks in their ivory towers have a trouble with realizing what they’ve become, these elite entities are as good as their understandings or visions and they have no rights whatsoever to impose their will on the will of the people. Whether we like it or not, democracies work the other way around and it’s time to get things straight. Freedom is not tidy… and all that jive.

There’s far more damage in obvious, blatant to the point of mockery, collusion of these treacherous thinkers with the corporate interests than in their archaic and frugal visions that are determined by their experiences as individuals and nations.

Instead of safeguarding and expanding such models as Nordic, that can, for the fun of us all, appease both sides of (persistently boring and extremely annoying) ideological divide and withstand scrutiny whether you call it Nordic capitalism or Nordic social democracy, we’re having this eager bunch of poor social engineers, apparently unable to multiply or mark the damn tables.

Willingly or not, they’re hurting people and markets, markets and people… not heeding the will of the citizens and representatives. At times I do think it’s for the best if things fall apart, for it seems that’s the only way to get that monkey off our back.

Not that the US is any better, it’s but a poor excuse for democracy, hijacked by vicious 9/11 crimes.

Regards,

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By: satori23 http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/2013/05/21/the-european-unions-unending-quandary/#comment-1688 Tue, 21 May 2013 18:33:20 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/?p=798#comment-1688 Well, we do have folks in EU Parliament that reflect and represent sentiment of electorate, illustrating autocratic (elitist, if you prefer) nature of ”European democracy” along the way.

As Mr. Swoboda told Mr. Rehn the other day: “you are responsible to this parliament, the troika is not, stop the troika – we don’t need it”.

I like your recognition Mr. Lloyd, of the elitist Europe, as much as I don’t like populist answers to it. It seems somewhat important to note though, that the idea, conceived by Plato ages ago has met some profound critique that can now be observed in reality.

I’ll quote ”wika-wakka”, to summarize issue:

”Karl Popper blamed Plato for the rise of totalitarianism in the 20th century, seeing Plato’s philosopher kings, with their dreams of ‘social engineering’ and ‘idealism’, as leading directly to Joseph Stalin and Adolf Hitler (via Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel and Karl Marx).”

I don’t care if folks in their ivory towers have a trouble with realizing what they’ve become, these elite entities are as good as their understandings or visions and they have no rights whatsoever to impose their will on the will of the people. Whether we like it or not, democracies work the other way around and it’s time to get things straight. Freedom is not tidy… and all that crap.

There’s far more damage in obvious, blatant to the point of mockery, collusion of these treacherous thinkers with the corporate interests than in their archaic and frugal visions that are determined by their experiences as individuals and nations.

Instead of safeguarding and expanding such models as Nordic, that can, for the fun of us all, appease both sides of (persistently boring and extremely annoying) ideological divide and withstand scrutiny whether you call it Nordic capitalism or Nordic social democracy, we’re having this eager bunch of poor social engineers, apparently unable to multiply or mark the damn tables.

Willingly or not, they’re hurting people and markets, markets and people… not heeding the will of the citizens and representatives. At times I do think it’s for the best if things fall apart, for it seems that’s the only way to get that monkey off our back.

Not that the US is any better, it’s but a poor excuse for democracy, hijacked by vicious 9/11 crimes.

Regards,

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By: AdamSmith http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/2013/05/21/the-european-unions-unending-quandary/#comment-1687 Tue, 21 May 2013 16:54:00 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/?p=798#comment-1687 How can one possibly expect Europe to have a strong economy when all the manufactured items in every store say Made in China?

The European masses must be put to work. Europe needs a protective tariff.

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