Comments on: The coming clash of civilizations over gay rights http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/2013/08/12/the-coming-clash-of-civilizations-over-gay-rights/ Wed, 13 Apr 2016 01:13:45 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: ccharles http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/2013/08/12/the-coming-clash-of-civilizations-over-gay-rights/#comment-1854 Sun, 18 Aug 2013 13:26:24 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/?p=964#comment-1854 When they make laws that a decent person can not follow they destroy the “rule of law”, which is the purpose of this issue. Democracy only survives in an atmosphere of “rule of law”. Otherwise we will have laws unto ourselves, and we are far down that road now.

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By: DerekWilliams http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/2013/08/12/the-coming-clash-of-civilizations-over-gay-rights/#comment-1853 Sun, 18 Aug 2013 12:20:17 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/?p=964#comment-1853 The craven capitulation of the IOC to Russian government bullying cannot be allowed to sit where it is. The IOC and more recently the USOC have in effect endorsed Russia’s recriminalisation of homosexuality by ordering all athletes to “respect Russia’s law” and shut the hell up, right down to painting their fingernails the “right colour” (not Rainbow). If it were ANY other minority, the IOC and the USOC would be calling on Russia to “respect the Olympic Charter” it signed up to. Anything can be turned into a “crime” by a hostile government simply by passing a law. For example Jews became illegal at the stroke of a pen under the Nazis. Would today’s IOC tell Berlin athletes of the day to “respect Nazi law”?

The IOC and USOC therefore need to be brought in line with their own charter, and insist that Russia abide by it or desist from holding any future events of international goodwill. Same goes for upcoming events in other countries that criminalise homosexuality, including the death penalty. If our government believes as David Cameron clearly does, that Russia’s policy is in breach not only of the Olympic Charter, but of the United Nations International Declaration of Human Rights, to which Russia is also signatory, then words (while still very welcome and very necessary) are not enough. A new kind of “coalition of the willing” governments needs to come together to push back any further inroads against LGBT’s equal right to exist and equal right to happiness.

What is done today has implications for other minorities. “The arc of history is long, but it bends towards justice” (Martin Luther King).

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By: Ian_Kemmish http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/2013/08/12/the-coming-clash-of-civilizations-over-gay-rights/#comment-1852 Sun, 18 Aug 2013 11:36:00 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/?p=964#comment-1852 It seems an error to conflate “the West” with “the human rights industry”. The latter, let’s not forget, is frequently even more scathing about Western nations than it is about emerging ones, and likely would need only a little encouragement to show why there is no nation in the world worthy of holding the Olympics. Liberty, one imagines, would have been delighted if folk had boycotted the London Olympics over our handling of suspected terrorists, for example.

But what leaves a particularly bad taste in the mouth about Stephen Fry’s position is that in calling for a boycott on this issue and on no other, he appears to be starting from the position that Anna Politkovskaya and Sergei Magnitsky (who of course are just proxies for many more journalists and lawyers) were somehow worth less to the human race, just because they happened to be straight. Russians die for the worst, most trivial, of reasons, but Stephen Fry seems to think that the straight ones don’t count.

Not a very nice, not a very “civilised”, attitude.

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By: George1512 http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/2013/08/12/the-coming-clash-of-civilizations-over-gay-rights/#comment-1850 Fri, 16 Aug 2013 11:28:47 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/?p=964#comment-1850 Enough of the suicide politics and emotional blackmail please. How do you know why that 14 year old boy in Rome killed himself?

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By: Mac20nine http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/2013/08/12/the-coming-clash-of-civilizations-over-gay-rights/#comment-1849 Fri, 16 Aug 2013 01:09:22 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/?p=964#comment-1849 So gay rights are part of a world-wide culture clash because – let me get this straight – the U.S. & U.K. have contentious relations with Russia. By that reasoning we should have an obese rights movement purely because the U.S. has such close ties with Japan.

Other than that I was able to follow your train of thought.

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By: OUTPOST2012.NET http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/2013/08/12/the-coming-clash-of-civilizations-over-gay-rights/#comment-1848 Thu, 15 Aug 2013 10:06:09 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/?p=964#comment-1848 The communities have the right to speak out. That’s a domestic issue what they speak.
The problem is that the states included the LGTB rights into their agendas – even before the problems were settled in their own countries.
This is a sheer propaganda.
It harms the communities in other countries. However, in case of Russia, the governments are aimed at President Putin personally. They don’t care of the gay rights in Russia. Nobody even tried to talk to Russian gays, if it were better for them to start such a loud campaign.
And again, the human rights’ argument is used for purely political reasons.

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By: chyron http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/2013/08/12/the-coming-clash-of-civilizations-over-gay-rights/#comment-1846 Wed, 14 Aug 2013 21:39:09 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/?p=964#comment-1846 2 Benny27
Well, looking how “fight for gay rights” goes in the West, we already joke than soon american oath of allegiance will consist of standing on the knees with bare back – how else one’s “tolerant lifestyle” can be demonstrated?

Some minorities just too arrogant to realize that proving true old saying “give ’em an inch and they will take a mile” is a recipe for disaster. For minorities of course.

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By: SAJohnson http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/2013/08/12/the-coming-clash-of-civilizations-over-gay-rights/#comment-1845 Wed, 14 Aug 2013 21:18:46 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/?p=964#comment-1845 There is no credible survey that has ever reported the homosexual population of any country to be in the 5-10% range. It is always under 2%. This is just another of the many lies told about homosexuality to try to make it more palatable to decent people. That the young are overwhelmingly for homosexual acceptance is another one. They have been getting those results since the 1960’s. Yet as young people get older and married they tend to change their views. Otherwise why all those older people who disapprove now? They are the same ones who approved in the 60’s. Homosexual tolerance is sign you know nothing about homosexuality.

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By: Steve-0 http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/2013/08/12/the-coming-clash-of-civilizations-over-gay-rights/#comment-1844 Wed, 14 Aug 2013 20:39:01 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/?p=964#comment-1844 Obviously another pro-gay agenda piece. Oh well, guess the silent majority has to start voting with their dollars as well as at the booth. I love and cherish homosexuals yet abhor their lifestyle pertaining to sex. Oh course this isn’t all that defines a homosexual. I just don’t think it’s something I want my government legitimizing.

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By: pabarge http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/2013/08/12/the-coming-clash-of-civilizations-over-gay-rights/#comment-1843 Wed, 14 Aug 2013 19:57:41 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/?p=964#comment-1843 The Liberal camp is the camp of darkness. Their goal is not simply to enjoy their own freedom but to destroy the cultures in which they live.

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