Comments on: Maybe don’t give me your poor, your tired, your huddled masses http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/2013/10/08/maybe-dont-give-me-your-poor-your-tired-your-huddled-masses/ Wed, 13 Apr 2016 01:13:45 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: 2Borknot2B http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/2013/10/08/maybe-dont-give-me-your-poor-your-tired-your-huddled-masses/#comment-2047 Sat, 19 Oct 2013 00:22:35 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/?p=1077#comment-2047 Corporate greed destroyed the African Continent. And, corporate greed bringing in and supporting illegal immigration is a major contributing force destroying America.

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By: tmc http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/2013/10/08/maybe-dont-give-me-your-poor-your-tired-your-huddled-masses/#comment-2029 Sun, 13 Oct 2013 20:34:15 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/?p=1077#comment-2029 “China’s official news agency has called for the creation of a “de-Americanised world”, saying the destinies of people should not be left in the hands of a hypocritical nation with a dysfunctional government.”

Our political parties are seriously hurting the country now. Both of them. We need a referendum vote on Term limits for congress and SCOUS and campaign finance reform. Nothing more or it will be turned into a never ending argument and well get nothing. Just those two things and all things can be achieved after just one or two election cycles. DEMAND IT!

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By: tmc http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/2013/10/08/maybe-dont-give-me-your-poor-your-tired-your-huddled-masses/#comment-2028 Sat, 12 Oct 2013 18:59:33 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/?p=1077#comment-2028 I think the author is correct even though elusive. You can’t stop immigration of the nature Europe is facing right now. They are escaping death and worse. The only way to stop them is to help or force them to change their own situation.
As far as the USCA is concerned, @AdamSmith has good point. India’s biggest export is Indians. And we can defend the southern border. The soviet union did it for over thirty years. It is insulting to say we can’t do it.

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By: Pete_Murphy http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/2013/10/08/maybe-dont-give-me-your-poor-your-tired-your-huddled-masses/#comment-2023 Thu, 10 Oct 2013 11:57:14 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/?p=1077#comment-2023 The inverse relationship between population density and per capita consumption (a relationship unrecognized by the field of economics due to its self-imposed ban on all subjects related to population growth) makes it inevitable that, beyond a certain critical population density, a society will slowly, steadily spiral downward into worsening unemployment and poverty as its population density rises further. Immigration policy should be formulated with this relationship in mind.

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By: PortgueseinAf http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/2013/10/08/maybe-dont-give-me-your-poor-your-tired-your-huddled-masses/#comment-2021 Wed, 09 Oct 2013 19:17:27 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/?p=1077#comment-2021 “As we saw last week, Africans are desperately risking, and losing, their lives in the struggle to get into Europe. They come above all from the war-afflicted states of Eritrea, Somalia and Syria.”

Last time I check, Syrians are NOT Africans.

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By: ZanWB http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/2013/10/08/maybe-dont-give-me-your-poor-your-tired-your-huddled-masses/#comment-2020 Wed, 09 Oct 2013 17:16:16 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/?p=1077#comment-2020 @Adam I feel that direct comparisons between Japan and India based solely on population size is a bit misleading. You have to take into account that India is enormous and Japan is very tiny. Looking at population density, one can see that Japan is at about 870 people/sq mi and India is at about 980 people/sq mi. Also, the following link shows that 2013 immigration from both Mexico and India are at net negatives: https://www.cia.gov/library/publications  /the-world-factbook/fields/2112.html That means fewer people born in Mexico and India are living in the United States than they were a year ago. 2012 records show the same.

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By: COindependent http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/2013/10/08/maybe-dont-give-me-your-poor-your-tired-your-huddled-masses/#comment-2019 Wed, 09 Oct 2013 13:41:19 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/?p=1077#comment-2019 @Adam Well stated. We cannot and should not apply the immigration philosophies of 100 years ago to today. The key driver for immigrants in the 20th century was economic, and the motivation to become “Americans” under a political structure based on individual liberty. We also had the ability to relatively easily assimilate the relatively poor and unskilled. But that is no longer true.

Today, assimilation and adoption of American ideals is not the objective of many immigrants–it’s purely economic, with diminished motivation to become “Americans”. Additionally, our economic infrastructure requires a better educated and skilled work force. The concept of multiculturalism, and the expansion of the welfare state, has removed the incentive for learning the language and adoption of American values, two of a number of critical requirements for upward mobility in this country.

This does not mean a family abandons its heritage, but it does require that the immigrant adopt the American way, versus American adapting to the ways of the immigrant. It does mean that we begin by eliminating the hyphenation of ourselves. You can be an American of Italian, Irish….(name one) descent, but placing your home country in front of “American” is simply the wrong way to start. It diminishes what America is and what we are. It started with Blacks (now “African-“), while the facts show that, other than the color of their skin, few Blacks in this country have any emotional, economic or cultural connection with Africa. It means you adopt the language of the country in order to conduct business and to take advantage of education, and eventually to vote.

In spite of what one may hear in the media, this is the land of opportunity PROVIDED the individual be motivated to succeed. Success demands that they adapt to, and adopt, our culture. In spite of our flaws, which we openly acknowledge, this is still America.

Those, including our President, who wish to abandon our core foundation of liberty and personal responsibility, serve neither the interests of America, nor of immigrants.

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By: AdamSmith http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/2013/10/08/maybe-dont-give-me-your-poor-your-tired-your-huddled-masses/#comment-2018 Wed, 09 Oct 2013 12:33:16 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/?p=1077#comment-2018 It must be remembered that the total famous Irish immigrations to America over the last two hundred years cited in this article were MINUSCULE compared to the immigrations occurring today into America from Mexico, India, China, Philippines etc.

One must separate the myth from reality. Remember, Ireland is a tiny country and it has never had a large population. For example today its population is 4.5 million.

Compare that to Mexico’s population today of 118 million.

Or compare that to India’s 1.2 Billion people, or China’s 1.3 Billion.

Ireland is tiny.

The biggest canard in the immigration debate is when people say, “Because America benefited from Irish immigrants, we therefore should now allow the gigantic immigrations now occurring from Mexico, India, China, Philippines, etc.”

The UN just released figures about 2 weeks ago showing that America now has 45 million immigrants. That is over 14% of the population, or 1 out of 7 people in America.

Never in the history of America has the percentage of immigrants been that high. Even the day the Mayflower landed in 1620 with 102 English Pilgrims, they met native Americans within an hour of walking ashore.

Today America is over-populated and over-polluting and over-straining its natural resources.

Yet uninformed people keep saying, Because America had famous immigration from Ireland, then we should allow all 1.3 Billion people from China to immigrate here, and all the 1.2 Billion people from India.

They fail to understand that the Irish immigrations were in the range of 200,000 over 100 years, and there was much unpopulated land in the 1800’s. Today Asian and Mexican immigrants are coming at a rate, not of 200,000 per hundred years, but closer to 200,000 per week, or almost 10 million per year.

Immigration is quickly destroying the American middle class.

For reference here are the UN immigration figures release just 2 weeks ago:
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/countries- most-immigrants-161952285.html

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By: AdamSmith http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/2013/10/08/maybe-dont-give-me-your-poor-your-tired-your-huddled-masses/#comment-2017 Wed, 09 Oct 2013 11:33:51 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/?p=1077#comment-2017 To think about immigration, consider the difference between Japan and India.

JAPAN
Although its first human habitants came from China, Japan rose to prominence among human cultures because it was, like England, an island nation, and compared to other countries, had almost zero immigration thereafter.

Japan, the Land of the Gods, grew such a strong culture, admired around the world, because it was not constantly disturbed by immigrations.

INDIA
Japan is the exact opposite of, say, India, which has constantly, throughout its history, been disturbed by immigrations. Including its immigrants, India today has a population of 1.17 billion people, compared to Japan’s 128 million.

India has had migration after migration from every direction. It is made up of Hindus, Moslems, Buddhists, Christians, just to start. India, the land built by immigrants, has literally dozens of languages, great corruption and chronic diseases. Everybody speaking a different language, worshiping a different god, stealing from each other. That is India, the poster child for immigration advocates.

Yet Japan, with a population only one-tenth the size of India’s, has a GDP 4 times as big as India. That means the average Japanese citizen is roughly 40 times as productive as the average Indian.

Japan, the island nation, protected from immigrations, a cohesive culture, very high economic production, high per-capita incomes and wages, and the lowest crime rate in the world.

So America should ask itself, do we want to remain a strong culture, like Japan, or do we want to allow immigrations from all directions, and end up with the chaos and poverty and disease that is India?

Immigration into America today has flooded the labor markets, driving down wages and causing joblessness, destroying American careers and families. Immigrants (America has 45 million immigrants today) occupy scarce American housing, driving rents sharply higher for Americans.

Immigration on such a vast scale is quickly destroying the American middle class.

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By: joechip http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/2013/10/08/maybe-dont-give-me-your-poor-your-tired-your-huddled-masses/#comment-2016 Wed, 09 Oct 2013 09:24:21 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/?p=1077#comment-2016 “People with a violent, might makes right culture are by definition undesirable”.

I was tempted to say, “you mean like the US or Britain when it suits them”, but in reality most cultures exhibit such traits at times. Your comment really just confirms the double standards employed by the west.

And really, the people who flee such trouble are the ones who want quiet lives, the sort of people all should welcome. If only we could directly swap our hawkish population with the victims of their policies around the world!

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