Comments on: The problem(s) with Israel http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/2014/11/20/the-problems-with-israel/ Wed, 13 Apr 2016 01:13:45 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: toywatch http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/2014/11/20/the-problems-with-israel/#comment-3693 Sun, 23 Nov 2014 18:02:35 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/?p=1835#comment-3693 There are lots of morons out there that never look at the fact that there is no Muslim Democracies out there……why do so many Muslims leave there countries for the West…..???…To either have a better live or spread there religious venom……Muslim Countries do not tolerate other religions on there land……they only export they ship around the word is death…..

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By: lorenabe http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/2014/11/20/the-problems-with-israel/#comment-3692 Sun, 23 Nov 2014 00:09:20 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/?p=1835#comment-3692 So when can we expect an article about the problem with the Palestinians?

Here are some starting points: The culture of racism, death, martyrdom and violence that characterizes its leadership and a big part of the Palestinian society, the constant incitement to murder and violence that comes from them, the (ab)use of children as soldiers and perpetuators of violence, which is the result of decades of indoctrination that keeps being intentionally ignored (at best) by the West, the illegitimate nature, functioning, and goals of UNWRA (which was created whith the only purpuse of perpetuing the conflict, which treats Palestinians separately from other refugees of the world and assigns them a unique, different status not shared by anybody else, and which receives billions of dollars from the West), its composition (most members in Gaza are from Hamas), and its role in enabling, supporting and even helping terrorists and terrorism…

BTW, Israeli Arabs have the same rights than the rest of the Israelis. How about they start to share the obligations as well?

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By: Johanna-Chentov http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/2014/11/20/the-problems-with-israel/#comment-3691 Sat, 22 Nov 2014 17:51:39 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/?p=1835#comment-3691 SOUTH MEDITERRANEAN POLITICS : CORRECTING SOME MISCONCEPTIONS BY WESTERN MEDIAS AND JOURNALISTS :

AT THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT MORE AND MORE WESTERN MEDIAS ARE CLAIMING, THE MAJORITY OF POPULATIONS IN THE ARAB-BERBER SOUTH MEDITERRANEAN PEOPLE , DID NOT MISS MUSLIM CONSTITUTION/ISLAMIST CONSTITUTION…FOR DECADES UNDER THE RULE OF THOSE WESTERN PUPPET ISLAMO-AUTOCRATES. AND THEY WERE NOT ALL HAPPY TO SEE ISLAMISTS/OBSCURANTISTS ACCESSING POLITICAL POWER IN THEIR COUNTRIES AS EGYPTE (ISLAMO-FASHIST GROUP BROTHERHOOD/MORSI, OR TUNISIA THE ISLAMO-FASHIST GROUP ENAHDA

AT THE TOTAL OPPOSITE, ARAB INTELLECTUALS OF THE SOUTH MEDITERRANEAN AND A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF CITIZENS, OF ALL LEVEL OF SOCIETY DID FIGHT FOR DECADES IN THIS REGION , AT LEAST AS THEY COULD, IN THE DESPERATE HOP OF TRUE DEMOCRACY . — THROUGH A SECULAR CONSTITUTION/ SEPARATION BETWEN RELIGION AND STATE, AND THE REMOVAL OF THEN WESTERN IMPOSED/SUPPORTED ISLAMO-AUTOCRATES RULERS!

THE CIA, THE FRENCH INTELLIGENCE AND THE MOSSAD DID WORK ACTIVELY, VERY CLOSELY AND FOR DECADES, WITH LOCAL SERVICES OF THOSE SOUTH MEDITERRANEAN DICTATEURS FOR SEVERAL DECADES, TO IDENTIFY, ARREST OR KIDNAP, TORTURE AND SOME TIME KILL, OR MAKE DESPAIR FOREVER, ARAB INTELLECTUAL OPPOSITION MEMBERS IN MOST COUNTRIES OF THE SOUTH MEDITERRANEAN INCLUDED EGYPTE AND TUNISIA!!!!!!! SOME OF THE VICTIMS ARE STILL IN LIFE AND MANY OF THE AGENTS TOO…— FAMILIES ARE STILL CRYING FOR THE DESPAIRED, UNTIL TODAY! SILENCED OPPONENTS OF COURSE INCLUDED SOME RACIALE AND RELIGIOUS MINORITIES OF THE SOUTH-MEDITERRANEAN.

BESIDE IN VILLAGES AND SOME VERY OLD WOMEN VERY FEW WOMEN WANTED TO WEAR THE VEIL OR LIKED THE VEIL…AND IT WAS NEVER FORBIDDEN IN ANY OF THESE COUNTRIES AS IN SOME WAY CLAIMED IN THIS DISHONEST ARTICLE.

CURRENTLY, AT THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT WESTERN JOURNALISTS WANT TO CLAIM, MILLIONS OF SECULAR ARABS AND BERBERS OF THE SOUTH MEDITERRANEAN DO WANT, SEPARATION OF STATE AND RELIGION, IN THEIR RESPECTIVE COUNTRIES. DESPITE ALL WHAT HAPPENING THEY ARE STILL HOPPING TO ACHIEVE SEPARATION BETWEEN RELIGIOUS LAWS AND STATE IN THIER COUNTRIES.
OF COURSE WESTERN CURTSIED PRO-MUSLIM CONSTITUTION ACTIVISTS, DO NOT AGREE AND FIGHT HARD AGAINST A CONSTITUTION WITHOUT BLASPHEMY OR ADULTERY LAW ETC. DO WESTERN MEDIAS AND OTHERS, WHO KNOW WHO THEY ARE, HONESTLY THINK THOSE LAWS AS BISIS OF CONSTITUTION CAN PRODUCE DEMOCRACY?

THE GENERAL STRATEGY SEEMS TO BE UNFORTUNATELY STILL THE SAME..: JUST PUT NOW, SOME PRO-WEST ISLAMIST PUPETS, (TO REPLACE THE OUTDATED ISALMO-AUTOCRATES), WE WILL HELP THE NEW DICTATORS TO , SILENCE AND OPPRESS THE INTELLECTUAL OPPOSITIONS AND OTHER SECULAR OPPONENTS WHO REFUSE TO SUBMIT AND STOP FIGHTING FOR TRUE DEMOCRACY. THEY CALL THIS “STABILITY”. UNACCEPTABLE!

NO AND NO, NO STATE ISLAM/ISALM BASED POLITICAL MOVEMENT, IN THE ARAB-BERBER SOTUHMEDITERANEAN, (WHATEVER THE BRAND OR SCHOOL), BROTHEROOD, ENAHDA, ISIL, TURKISH ISLAMIST ETC. SHOULD BE ELECTED OR MISSED.
ONLY THE TRUE DEMOCRATIC POLITICAL SYSTEM : THE SECULAR ONE CAN ALLO DEMCORACY. PEOPLE SHOULD’NT LESSEN TO LIES OF ISLAMIST MEDIAS AND PRO-MUSLIM CONSTITUTION WESTERN MEDIAS.

NO ISLAMISTS AND NO ISLAMO AUTOCRATES!

PRO-SECULAR CONSTITUTIONS ARE THOSE WHO ARE OR JUSTICE, FREEDOM, CIVIL STATE AND CONTEMPORARY PROGRES IN THE SOUTH MEDITERRANEAN

— AND IF THERE IS ANY PEOPLE IN ISRAEL WHO UNFORTUNATELY BELIEVE THIS NEW DOOR OPENING TO PROGRES, WILL BE A TREAT OR BAD FOR THEM, THEY ARE SURELY WRONG. DESPITE THEIR POSSIBLE FUTURE ACCESS TO CONTEMPORARY PROGRES, THEY WILL HAVE NO RAISON TO DEVELOP NUCLEAR OR OTHER SOPHISTICATED WEAPONS TO ATTACK ISRAEL.
AND EVERY HUMAN, ALL THE PEOPLE OF THE WORLD, HAVE THE LEGITIMATE RIGHT TO ACCESS DEMOCRACY AND GLOBAL CONTEMPORARY PROGRES.

THERE IS NO QUESTION ABOUT THE HISTORICAL RIGHTS OF THE ISRAELI PEOPLE, BUT THE TWO STATES SOLUTION IS PROBABLY STILL A SOLUTION…AND POSSIBLY THE ONLY SOLUTION, AS IT SEEMS THERE IS NO OTHER SOLUTION…— WHERE PEOPLE ARE HEADING?

ALL SOUTH MEDITERRANEAN COUNTRIES/POPULATIONS/RULERS, FROM SYRIA TO MOROCCO, SHOULD START AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, TRUE SECULARIZATION OF EDUCATION SYSTEM, JUDICIARY SYSTEM AND POLITICAL SYSTEM, AS WELL AS MEDIA, TV AND RADIO, IN THE PURPOSE TO IMPROVE CULTURE AND MENTALITY OF CITIZENS AND AVOID THE WORST. LET’S ONLY HOPE IT IS NOT TOO LATE!

MUSLIM CONSTITUTIONS IN THE SOUTH MEDITERRANEAN ARE MORE TREATING TO THE NEIGHBORING ISRAEL, — AND UNDER ANY MUSLIM POLITICAL MOVEMENT…BECAUE IT WILL ALWAYS DEGENERATE TO SOMETHING ELSE. THE MACABRE “SUCCESS” OF THE WESTERN SUPPORTED TOTALITARIAN DICTATORS OF SAUDI ARABIA, CAN NEVER BE REPLICATED IN THE BERBER-ARAB SOUTH MEDITERRANEAN. NO WAY! NOT SAME PEOPLE!

FOR DECADES, THE WEST AND ISRAEL DID WHAT THEY GENERALLY WRONGLY THOUGH IT WA GOOD — BUT PEOPLE SUFFERED IN A CONSIDERABLE WAY, AND WE CAN SEE THE RESULT AND ESPECIALLY NOW AND FOR ABOUT A DECADE…WHAT IS HAPPENING… WHO CAN REALLY CLAIM SUCCES?

POSSIBLY…IF CHINA AND RUSSIA WERE INVOLVED IN THE SOUTH MEDITERRANEAN FOR ALL THOSE DECADES, THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN A CERTAIN BALANCE OF POWERS INFLUENCE IN THE REGION, AND SECULAR CONSTITUTION STATE SYSTEME WOULD PROBABLY HAVE MUH MORE CHANCE TO TAKE PLACE AT THAT TIME. THE CURRENT SITUATION OF THE SOUTH-MEDITERRANEAN WOULD BE DIFFERENT.
NOW, THIS GOAL IS MUCH MORE DIFFICULT TO ACHIEVE BY THE PRO-SECULAR CONSTITUTION/STATE, ESPECIALLY DU TO THEIR WEAKNESS… COMPARED TO ISLAMIST…AND STILL NOW IN SOME WAY…BECAUSE OF THE WEST! — AN ACHIEVEMENT ALMOST COMPROMISED!
By Johanna Chentov / NOVEMBER 22, 2014 – 5:23 / UK

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By: gabe010 http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/2014/11/20/the-problems-with-israel/#comment-3690 Sat, 22 Nov 2014 17:31:51 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/?p=1835#comment-3690 Nicely written and well summarized.
For a change, we have a reasonable summary.
While agreed that both sides are stoking the flames through rhetoric, another obstacle is that the PA is too chummy with Hamas. When one hears Hamas, it is Muslim Brotherhood, and Egypt is certainly finding this out the hard way.
For Abbas to make any headway in a peace process, he needs to distance from parties which are sworn to, and announce daily, a desire to destroy Israel and drive all Jews into the sea.
A thornier issue, likely to be a “make or break” element, is Jerusalem; what to do with it? Historically, before the 1967 War, the Kotel and surrounding area were used as a garbage heap by Arabs. Despite all recent conflicts, Israel has indicated much more respect for the other side.
Now, what seems really mind boggling,is how the rest of the world views Islamist radicalism and violence in this small territorial region, while the whole Mideast is in conflagration and all major parts of Europe are under daily threat of terrorist attack. When the EU’s Federica Mogherini, on a one day visit, announces that all this must stop, without offering any intelligent details.Thus the outsiders’ meddle becomes a hindrance, not a path to solution, and it is really the EU, not Abbas or Netanyahu, that appears out of touch.

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By: Ibenzawla http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/2014/11/20/the-problems-with-israel/#comment-3688 Sat, 22 Nov 2014 16:40:28 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/?p=1835#comment-3688 I keep coming to Reuters because of reporting like these. Its now my go to site for international news and analyses after I recently parted ways with the BBC following their one shameless coverage of the Gaza war. Blatantly one sided journalism is reserved for news channels like FOX, CNN or MSNBC. Clean, raw cut journalism is what I aim for. Dare to speak the truth at all times.

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By: Auburnease http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/2014/11/20/the-problems-with-israel/#comment-3687 Sat, 22 Nov 2014 16:27:34 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/?p=1835#comment-3687 God gave him this land and beyond way before there was a Muhummand, so the hate mongrel muslims are occupying land that does not belong to them. Israel should deport all muslims from their state.

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By: Eric.Klein http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/2014/11/20/the-problems-with-israel/#comment-3686 Sat, 22 Nov 2014 13:46:48 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/?p=1835#comment-3686 When the world acknowledges the fact that Arab Palestinians are a made up group that wants the death of Israel and the Jews (against the teachings of their holy book ) and that until the 1960s a Palestinian was a Jew living in the area of the British Mandate then we can look at who occupied who’s land and ethnically cleansed it of the native population.

It was the completely artificial country, made up of 80% of the British Mandate (Jordan) that invaded and ethnically cleansed the area it renamed the West Bank. Jews had lived there for 3500 years under different powers.

Arafat’s efforts to overthrow the Jordanian kingdom shows he knew Jordan is Palestine.

On the other hand, Israel has tried to give the Arabs their own country 7 times, only to be turned down with violence each time. Israel has shown it can and will give up land (Sinai, Gaza, South Lebanon) always to be attacked from the “liberated” land.

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By: TireOfTheLies http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/2014/11/20/the-problems-with-israel/#comment-3685 Sat, 22 Nov 2014 13:15:31 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/?p=1835#comment-3685 What about the 200 Summit? Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak. The Israeli prime minister offered the Palestinian leader approximately 95% of the West Bank and the entire Gaza Strip. Arafat rejected this offer. Negotiation is a 2 way street. 95% is better than 0%.

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By: No_apartheid http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/2014/11/20/the-problems-with-israel/#comment-3684 Fri, 21 Nov 2014 20:10:10 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/?p=1835#comment-3684 @IndianC, I guess you are like most Americans do not have any knowledge about the facts and region.

ARABS ARE SEMITES AS WELL!!! AN ARAB CAN NEVER BE ANTI-SEMITIC!!!!!!!

Although the Arabs have a whole host of problems, which no one can deny, the fact is the Palestinians have had there land stolen from them. PERIOD!

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By: No_apartheid http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/2014/11/20/the-problems-with-israel/#comment-3683 Fri, 21 Nov 2014 14:32:27 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/john-lloyd/?p=1835#comment-3683 Reuters did not publish my remark either. So much for free speech!

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