Comments on: China’s technology revolution http://blogs.reuters.com/mark-leonard/2012/09/27/chinas-technology-revolution/ Tue, 30 Sep 2014 12:44:03 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: UauS http://blogs.reuters.com/mark-leonard/2012/09/27/chinas-technology-revolution/#comment-58 Sat, 29 Sep 2012 05:28:01 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/mark-leonard/?p=58#comment-58 as long as they provide “bread and circuses”, rulers are fine, everywhere and always.
amen.

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By: paintcan http://blogs.reuters.com/mark-leonard/2012/09/27/chinas-technology-revolution/#comment-57 Fri, 28 Sep 2012 16:48:00 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/mark-leonard/?p=58#comment-57 I agree with LEEDAO’s last sentience (and quite a few others) and am also afraid of China. But I’m not very afraid.

I am a social dim bulb and probably wouldn’t notice much change in daily life issues because I am not politically active or very socially active. I am used to being a passive consumer. But that still makes me a dim bulb. The Chinese government can do what it does because they know that general education is very new to China. Universal literacy is higher now than at any time in its history, and even the use of a common language in all parts of China is only about 50 years old. They know their population has a short fuse. They can’t avoid the role of “editor I chief”.

I can very easily except the Chinese central planning and “guiding hand” approach in many ways because I am getting used to the idea of Buckminster Fuller’s “spaceship earth” analogy and see how it is being realized. One would have very little freedom, and most certainly, very little freedom of expression on a space station until that station began to approximate the luxurious living conditions of a earth size planet. Panics would not be allowed. They would be lethal. One would have to control oneself or be controlled just as one expects very little freedom when flying in a commercial jet or even a private plane. The more constricted and advanced one’s environment becomes it seems to follow that one’s freedom of action has to be trained to cope with conditions. It requires more discipline.

I like the freedoms and ability to be “barbaric” within limits in the USA but I also know we live with limits. But the Chinese are still living with some of the old rough and tumble living conditions that prevailed at about the time of the last war. The war itself is still a living nightmare for many. Thjis country hasn’t had a major war fought within its borders for over 150 years. The Constitution actually seems to guarantee more freedoms of expression and human rights than is actually practical or safe to apply in many situations in private employment or daily life. It provides more freedom of expression and action than I ever use or actually know how to use.

But too much talk about corruption actually makes me nervous because fiscal corruption and moral corruption – I’m gay – tend to get confused and all “corruptions” seem to be clumsily defined, or can be very easily. I am used to the idea that people think gay people (I’m 61) are morally corrupt. I can’t quite get used to the idea that many people don’t believe that any more.

The public will come down on inappropriate expressions – the Chinese official’s smirk or the glass of champaign at the early OWS rally in Manhattan and it makes some people see red. But being rather dim, I tend to see only a little blush of pink. Maybe I read too much?

I know some hand or hands must control the quality of information. But the State in any country cannot seem to fully separate the roles of Church and State. They can never be placed behind barbed wire or a concrete barrier from each other. They can only ever be made to look somewhat distinct and for some reason, they must be made to be distinct even when they don’t appear to be, or monsters are made.

But if this government in the USA started to act like editor in chief and I can actually recognize it – That makes me see red.

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By: EthicsIntl http://blogs.reuters.com/mark-leonard/2012/09/27/chinas-technology-revolution/#comment-56 Fri, 28 Sep 2012 16:36:33 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/mark-leonard/?p=58#comment-56 I’ve been coming to China on extended visits since 2003 and have been living there 9 months per year for the last 4 years. Yes the Chinese government is doing all described abbove, BUT….
-The young Chinese netizens are very computer savvy, aware of their governments manipulative methods and have devised their own cover in exchanging info. They often use social cites and personal ID’s on S.Korean & Japanese servers, using their own Chinese language. They also can’t stand their government.
-The older Chinese, middle class & lower hate the Chinese elite even more so, the elite of course all being the government or their relatives & friends, without having to read anything on the net or news media, all from personal experiences. They are not into much social networking and love to watch nature documentaries on TV, mostly western productions.

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By: LEEDAP http://blogs.reuters.com/mark-leonard/2012/09/27/chinas-technology-revolution/#comment-55 Thu, 27 Sep 2012 21:18:53 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/mark-leonard/?p=58#comment-55 Brilliant handling by the central government of China, and brilliant reporting, too. I like the comparison to China’s effective social media strategy to their management of free markets. China has effectively demonstrated that decoupling capitalism from the free market produces economies of scale and the potential for industrial ecologies that could one day dwarf that of the West (and in some ways already has). In conjunction with their adept handling of social media they are at the same time able to root out local corruption, which is certainly a drain on local economic potential, and facilitate and promote constructive community involvement.

I am happy to be a US citizen with my political and social freedoms and rights. But every year that China grows stronger and more open I see the benefits of our ways becoming narrower and narrower especially in comparison to the risks. China risks an environmental catastrophe and social unrest over political oppression and government corruption. We risk environmental degradation and social unrest over political gridlock and corporate dominance. It’s easy to see how China could one day be the preferred choice of the 99%.

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By: apophthegm http://blogs.reuters.com/mark-leonard/2012/09/27/chinas-technology-revolution/#comment-54 Thu, 27 Sep 2012 20:38:34 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/mark-leonard/?p=58#comment-54 I’m sure that if these tactics became widely known to Chinese Netizens there would be an attempt to characterise the revelation as Western propaganda

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