Comments on: Tech cos to H-1B workers: We feel your pain http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/2009/02/20/tech-cos-to-h-1b-workers-we-feel-your-pain/ Where media and technology meet Wed, 16 Nov 2016 08:48:25 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: David http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/2009/02/20/tech-cos-to-h-1b-workers-we-feel-your-pain/#comment-356305 Mon, 02 Mar 2009 22:07:48 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/?p=14785#comment-356305 Why do we need to intellectualize American jobs goto Americans?
Was the US falling apart before these racist incompentants came along.

Don’t lecture me, I’ve worked with them and maybe a handful out of a hundred know what they are doing, but boy, oh boy, are they cheap and quiet and will work 24 hours a day until they get it right, and even if they can’t get it right, their managers will say they got it right.

I’ve been interviewed by hundreds of them over the last six years and there’s no way an Indian will hire a non-Indian.

Our economy is collapsing and even the business that make a buck off them are collapsing!
CitiBank, AIG, J.P. Morgan Chase.
We’re creating a minute number of billionaires and turning the rest of the country into beggars.

Replace Congress; we can’t wait another 2 years for people who actually care about the US.

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By: TheThinker http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/2009/02/20/tech-cos-to-h-1b-workers-we-feel-your-pain/#comment-356154 Sun, 22 Feb 2009 22:56:14 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/?p=14785#comment-356154 – H1Bs cannot get mortgages and if any bank gave them one was with the intent to take advantage of them. Just think: why would you give someone who can only be around for 6 years a 30 year loan? In general H1Bs don’t have the FICO scores to qualify given that they have very short credit histories.

– H1Bs are not the problem. Labor Law in the US is the problem. The “law” is geared towards favoring “shareholders” over “people” even at the expense of “taxpayers.” For example, “at-will” employment creates the systematic risk that once every employer finds an excuse to cut down labor that it can spiral down to economic stagnation. In the meantime “shareholders” still get dividends even under these market conditions. If that is not a slap at the face of hard working people then what is? Where are the senators defending their tax base? But their tax base does not pay for their fancy trips and perks they all enjoy. Makes it easier for Senators to blame the “foreigners” rather than accepting responsibility.

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By: MAR http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/2009/02/20/tech-cos-to-h-1b-workers-we-feel-your-pain/#comment-356149 Sun, 22 Feb 2009 02:57:03 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/?p=14785#comment-356149 Bart, your statement is incorrect, and Wesley is right.

H1B’s need to return to their home country after 6 years. So Wesley is right in that there is six years worth of H1B’s around. After 6 years a H1B would need to get a green card or citizenship – and are out of scope of the “H1B vs American” debate.

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By: FIx Visa System http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/2009/02/20/tech-cos-to-h-1b-workers-we-feel-your-pain/#comment-356146 Sat, 21 Feb 2009 23:39:54 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/?p=14785#comment-356146 – H1B can get mortgages. But, they are NOT the cause of this mess.
http://www.desicrunch.com/Articles/mortg age.html

– If we need H1 to support our medicare, infrastructure, why not bring more? Why stop at 65k? What if, H1 supply runs out? 😉

– Most Americans do NOT evade tax. They honestly pay Tax just like folks on H1, or any the legal visas. It is a select few rich/business folks, who evade taxes. Let us not confuse the subject here. We are discussing H1 issues here, not Tax evasion.

– Punish those staffing firms and companies who are manipulating the H1/L1 candidates, and getting tax benefits too.

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By: Bart http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/2009/02/20/tech-cos-to-h-1b-workers-we-feel-your-pain/#comment-356145 Sat, 21 Feb 2009 20:55:21 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/?p=14785#comment-356145 Wesley just flunked “maths” – there are over a million jobs lost to H-1Bs because a) the cap was raised to nearly 200K in 2000 and left there for three years, b) the H-1B is for three years, then it can be renewed for another 3 years after that, then in one year increments afterwards, so there is a cumulative effect in that each year’s cap results in many who try to stay permanently. And, when the economy collapses, in most cases the H-1Bs are kept on (because they usually earn less) while the American workers are let go (Microsoft’s denials notwithstanding).

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By: bitwise http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/2009/02/20/tech-cos-to-h-1b-workers-we-feel-your-pain/#comment-356141 Sat, 21 Feb 2009 20:24:01 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/?p=14785#comment-356141 wesley, every year since this program was introduced (1999?), it has been controversial. This is nothing new. The difference is this year, so many Americans have been losing their jobs and replaced by H1-B’s it has unified the people’s resolve.

Couple that with the latest trends by Indians to badmouth Americans as lazy, or not smart enough for the jobs, and you stir up their anger as well.

Americans are very generous to a fault, but when they feel they are being taken advantage of, they come together. This anger has come to a head now that H1B’s are starting to run HR Departments, where unless you are an applicant with an Indian sounding name, your resume will more than likely go directly into the trash. Or, at least that is the growing perception.

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By: TheThinker http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/2009/02/20/tech-cos-to-h-1b-workers-we-feel-your-pain/#comment-356138 Sat, 21 Feb 2009 19:49:39 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/?p=14785#comment-356138 Some things to think about:

A. H1B workers cannot get mortgages in the US – the same mortgages that have contributed to the current turmoil of the US economy.
B. H1B workers cannot vote for Senator Charles Grassley or any other incompetent leader who did not do their job of protecting jobs or who even contributed to the loss of jobs we are all experiencing.
C. H1B workers cannot tax evade like most Americans do (it’s all W-2 forms)
D. When an H1B employee gets terminated there is no grace period before s/he has to leave the country. What the article calls “loophole” is effectively an attempt by a corporation to deal with the lack of compassion in the law governing H1B visas.
E. In justifying hiring someone on H1B visa, the rationale is that no American can be found with the skills. Then why do H1B visas get paid at much or less than their American peers? After all the skills are short in supply – shouldn’t that shoot their salaries up? So who is taking advantage of whom?
F. Employers who lay off Americans and outsource to other countries are not criticized.
G. H1B workers pay regular income taxes including Medicare, Medicaid, SS. If they are temporary what is the purpose of paying for long-term services they will never receive? Half of medical care payments in the US come from this programs. H1B workers subsidize Americans health, infrastructure, services, wars…
H. Nobody bothers to discuss the ease with which employers lay off employees (at will employment laws) to preserve ‘shareholder’ value [e.g. companies laying off people and at the same time giving dividends out). As if the US is run by shareholders rather than taxpayers! The true role of government Senator Grassley is to protect working people from the abuse of shareholders.
I. The H1B program complaints can be easily resolved by just accepting even less foreign students in top graduate programs in US universities and don’t allow them to work in the US.
J. US employers who lay off H1Bs should be penalized as well. Don’t forget if MSFT gets an H1B then IBM loses an H1B because of the yearly quota. Not fulfilling the 3 year commitment that H1B visas have should be deemed as an anti-competitive practice.
K. Many of you say “they knew they were temporary..” but forget that immigration law also states “that an employer can sponsor permanent residency” after a number of employment there… THE LAW is the LAW and it is very ignorant to just state part of the law and not consider it in its totality.

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By: debug http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/2009/02/20/tech-cos-to-h-1b-workers-we-feel-your-pain/#comment-356135 Sat, 21 Feb 2009 18:01:38 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/?p=14785#comment-356135 A lot of Americans are unemployed and are burdened with mortgage, taxes and healthcare costs. They cannot compete with the lower wages because h1b workers just want a green card.
Please help American unemployed IT workers FIRST before helping temporary guest workers. That’s why they are temporary, they were not meant to replace American Workers.

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By: wesley http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/2009/02/20/tech-cos-to-h-1b-workers-we-feel-your-pain/#comment-356133 Sat, 21 Feb 2009 17:48:06 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/?p=14785#comment-356133 When the economy was booming, no one looked in the direction of H-1B visa holders. When the economy tanked, all of a sudden, they became cheap targets. I just can’t figure out how 85000(max) H-1B employees could have resulted in 3million American job losses within a year. Are people that ignorant!?

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By: Read More http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/2009/02/20/tech-cos-to-h-1b-workers-we-feel-your-pain/#comment-356125 Sat, 21 Feb 2009 15:08:01 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/?p=14785#comment-356125 There are some interesting dicussion (link below). There is no doubt H1b and L1 visas are fraud. Do not blame H1/L1s candidates as they are just pawns in this third rated game played by companies and consultancy companies. BTW, L1 is worse, compared to H1. Their (L1) spouse on L2 can work immidiately in US for any employer, and there is no limit on L1!!

Blame the companies and the corrupt staffing firms, who sacrifice americans for their greed, and continue to this unethical business recklessly. I work for a multi billion dollar telecommunication company, and H1/L1 are being poured into the system every day!!

http://www.businessinsider.com/feds-sudd enly-paying-attention-to-h-1b-abuse-arre st-11-2009-2

http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnfl ash/content/feb2009/db20090212_920784.ht m?chan=top+news_top+news+index+-+temp_ne ws+%2B+analysis

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