Comments on: In latest green move, Apple quits U.S. Chamber http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/2009/10/06/in-latest-green-move-apple-quits-us-chamber/ Where media and technology meet Wed, 16 Nov 2016 08:48:25 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: Jean Hofsté http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/2009/10/06/in-latest-green-move-apple-quits-us-chamber/#comment-369158 Thu, 12 Nov 2009 00:47:58 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/?p=19364#comment-369158 K3n, calling me a liar is tentamount to stupidity!Just GOOGLE my first sentence:”The average temperature of the earth’s surface has risen approx: 0.74°C on a global basis”and see what comes up!

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By: Enlightened http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/2009/10/06/in-latest-green-move-apple-quits-us-chamber/#comment-366994 Thu, 08 Oct 2009 20:53:13 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/?p=19364#comment-366994 There are some good points on this board but there are also a lot of misconceptions and broken arguments. The first thing I would like to point out is that the average temperature of the globe and its standard deviations is not a very useful metric in defining the problem of global warming. A previous post labeled the term ”Global Warming” as misnomer and I agree. A more useful term is ”Climate Change” or ”Climate Shift”. Regions that were cold could be become very hot and at the same time hot regions could cool down and the average temperature would not change a bit. However, the impact on society would be tremendous. Civilizations developed in a certain climate with certain food and water supplies would be put in disastrous situations.Which brings me to my next point. Climate change is by definition a man-made problem. It is man-made in the sense that the problem does not intrinsically lie in that the climate is in fact changing but rather in mans ability to cope with it. Critics of climate change point to the extreme climate fluctuations in the earth’s history, often and loudly, and they are not wrong. But the point is that these fluctuations occurred before there were 6 billion people on the planet. Even the fluctuations in human history have been relatively easier to bear. Humans coming out of the ice age just moved to new areas to find food once migration routes changed, but its much easier to move a tribe than it is to move New York City. As humans we have developed an incredibly complex civilization which currently does not have the capacity to cope with the most extreme consequences of climate change.My last point is to those who think that our emission of carbon dioxide has a tiny effect on the climate of the earth. What utter nonsense, but for arguments sake lets assume that its true. The problem with this argument lies in the fact that weather and climate are case studies for the concept of a chaotic system. Chaos is defined as extreme sensitivity to infinitesimally small changes in the initial conditions. I hate to break it to you but the carbon footprint on human civilization is far from infinitesimally small.

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By: Sergey http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/2009/10/06/in-latest-green-move-apple-quits-us-chamber/#comment-366915 Wed, 07 Oct 2009 15:40:35 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/?p=19364#comment-366915 Don’t be fool by Apple shallow political stance.There is little prove that a global warming is triggered by human activities. I am not questioning global warming. We are slowly coming out of Ice Age that lasts already for 5,000,000 yrs. Yep. Today average annual temperature is well below 5,000,000 yrs average.For last 4,999,900 yrs it had nothing to do with humans…Today the whole human CO2 emission is well with-in emission of couple volcanoes.There are several global avalanche-like processes that speed up Global warming exponentially. (Melting permafrost is one of them).We have to cap human CO2 for several reasons:Keep technology moving forward.Break away from oil dependency.But Global Warming cannot be stopped by cutting human CO2 emission to 0.It is mouse fight compare to real scale of the problem.While Global Warming is very natural process it will eventually end the World as we know it. So lets keep it artificially cool :).

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By: cb http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/2009/10/06/in-latest-green-move-apple-quits-us-chamber/#comment-366876 Wed, 07 Oct 2009 05:02:24 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/?p=19364#comment-366876 It’s too bad the writer didn’t tell the whole story here. The corporations who are leaving the US Chamber of Commerce know there will be legislation coming. They just don’t want the EPA to regulate greenhouse gases because the rules will change randomly. They would prefer legislation to come from Congress so, even if it’s bad legislation, they will know the parameters in which to work. The Chamber of Congress doesn’t want any legislation at all, and that’s not what is going to happen, so the corporations are bailing out (and the PR department says it’s good for their reputations). Most multinational corporations are already well ahead of the curve because they are working in countries that have passed legislation. The corporations don’t care about Global Warming/Climate Change. They just want to know the rules. This is not a political or science based decision – just business.

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By: k3n http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/2009/10/06/in-latest-green-move-apple-quits-us-chamber/#comment-366848 Tue, 06 Oct 2009 22:48:50 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/?p=19364#comment-366848 The scariest part of the global warming lie is those that were supporters of it, largely are now understanding that it is/was a hoax. They then seek to blend industrial pollution and other things into the global warming issue. Look. I agree industrial pollution is a problem, as is energy use/conservation and where and how we get energy. But, let’s not let bad science (really a fabricated lie) shape the approach to rectify the REAL problems. It would be like saying “we said you had tonsillitis and then later acknowledged you actually have a tumor in your throat, but we are just going to stick with the tonsillitis and remove your tonsils and hope that will fix things for you!”Come on. See where I am coming from?

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By: Em http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/2009/10/06/in-latest-green-move-apple-quits-us-chamber/#comment-366832 Tue, 06 Oct 2009 21:14:00 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/?p=19364#comment-366832 Yes, it’s appalling that someone with little education can claim to have an educated opinion on this topic. Climate change is such a complex issue that it can’t be approached from a “common sense” point-of-view. This is why science education is so important, especially starting at an early age, so that we can understand the complexity of the world we live in, and how dependent human life is on maintaining a balanced ecosystem. As far as geopolitical concerns go, governments and their treaties certainly won’t matter much if the human race is wiped out, and whatever disputes occur between governments in the fight to preserve the planet are nothing compared to the conflicts that will arise as good land and fresh water become more scarce and our other natural resources are depleted. Surely, all other conflicts that prevent any progress on this issue are moot in the face of the simple fact that governments should exist for the long-term preservation of their people.

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By: Jess B Simple http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/2009/10/06/in-latest-green-move-apple-quits-us-chamber/#comment-366828 Tue, 06 Oct 2009 20:15:20 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/?p=19364#comment-366828 It’s amazing how people with no scientific knowledge dispute people who have the education and knowledge to know what they are talking about. It’s the flat earth society all over again.

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By: John R http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/2009/10/06/in-latest-green-move-apple-quits-us-chamber/#comment-366826 Tue, 06 Oct 2009 20:00:37 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/?p=19364#comment-366826 Way to go Apple! It makes no sense to belong to an organization when you disagree sharply with their policies. Personally, I agree with Apple on the issue of global warming. But even if you disagree, it’s clear that Apple did the right thing to resign it membership with an organization that’s at odds with them.

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By: michael http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/2009/10/06/in-latest-green-move-apple-quits-us-chamber/#comment-366823 Tue, 06 Oct 2009 19:40:22 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/?p=19364#comment-366823 ben linus doesn’t know what anthropomorphic means, or doesn’t know how to use it. also, the pun is the lowest form of humor.

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By: Nan Gabriel http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/2009/10/06/in-latest-green-move-apple-quits-us-chamber/#comment-366822 Tue, 06 Oct 2009 19:37:30 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/?p=19364#comment-366822 Global warming is a critical issue and has been bringing up all the time. Thanks for going green Apple! However, this is not just big companies responsibilities. It is everybody’s.

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