Comments on: WikiPiques: Let’s all just calm down http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/2010/12/10/wikileaks-wikipiques-lets-all-just-calm-down/ Where media and technology meet Wed, 16 Nov 2016 08:48:25 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: johncabell http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/2010/12/10/wikileaks-wikipiques-lets-all-just-calm-down/#comment-385057 Mon, 13 Dec 2010 15:45:46 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/?p=23546#comment-385057 @beliha It strikes you not how? If yours is a criticism about style, however, you aren’t the first to object to that sentence.

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By: johncabell http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/2010/12/10/wikileaks-wikipiques-lets-all-just-calm-down/#comment-385056 Mon, 13 Dec 2010 15:31:12 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/?p=23546#comment-385056 @MikeTKong. I am sort of making that argument by inference. I think some people get confused about what a company “can” do — does it have the “right” to do such and such.

The answer is that a company is entitled to do whatever the law and its contracts allow. In other words, nobody can prevent Visa, MC and PayPal from cutting off WikiLeaks (except WikiLeaks if it chooses to fight back). But these companies will nevertheless be judged in the market for their behavior, even if the government can’t toss them in jail.

A good analogy is the hiring sweatshop workers overseas. Perfectly legal. However, your customers may not like this. They will punish you, not the International Court in The Hague.

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By: johncabell http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/2010/12/10/wikileaks-wikipiques-lets-all-just-calm-down/#comment-385055 Mon, 13 Dec 2010 15:26:27 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/?p=23546#comment-385055 @VinnyG Well, I would argue that the internet does have that very power (though I might not use a word like “inept”) — Amazon, Skype, eBay, Google and yes, even PayPal challenged established business models and behemoths in their respective industry and changed everything.

On your other point, I am not clear. Are you saying that MasterCard and Visa have the right to attach earings and property if a customer reaches a certain status of delinquency? If so I’m not sure I have a problem with that, in principle.

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By: VinnyG http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/2010/12/10/wikileaks-wikipiques-lets-all-just-calm-down/#comment-385049 Sun, 12 Dec 2010 13:19:31 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/?p=23546#comment-385049 “Putting aside the wisdom of Visa, Mastercard and PayPal to stop passing money to WikiLeaks from its supporters (while, ahem, not derailing the money train to actual hate groups), shouldn’t they be able to do whatever they want in the marketplace without being attacked in the marketplace of ideas?”

In an actual free market, your argument would be persuasive. However, no such market exists here. While the internet does exhibit dynamics that _tend_ toward freedom, it does not have the power to change an environment in which inept companies, with no competencies save those of skilled mercantilist, corporatist, government suck-ups, are granted market sector monopolies and artificially high entry barriers; all enforced by government’s claimed monopoly on violence. So in this case, the answer to your question is “no”, because those companies did not rightfully _earn_ the power and position that they are using to try to throttle Wikileaks. Another factor against your argument is the power that has been granted to these mercantilists by government to arbitrarily seize the assets in the account of any user whom they toss, under a very permissive set of conditions. How many millions of USD in unearned revenue do you think that Amazon, Paypal, et al have made by way of this kind of unjust, unmoderated confiscation of donations to Wikileaks? That isn’t the marketplace at work, sir, that is thuggish robbery by internet highwaymen, pure and simple.

-VinnyG

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By: beliha http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/2010/12/10/wikileaks-wikipiques-lets-all-just-calm-down/#comment-385048 Sun, 12 Dec 2010 13:18:17 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/?p=23546#comment-385048 “employee who allegedly absconded with enough dish to give the world agita, all crammed on a Lady Gaga CD”

Was that English??

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By: abesina03 http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/2010/12/10/wikileaks-wikipiques-lets-all-just-calm-down/#comment-385046 Sun, 12 Dec 2010 12:27:03 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/?p=23546#comment-385046 Wheare does the Human Right Activists go…! Politicians Has Already Accepted the millennium as the Age of Information and “Thinking”.
They ware telling us and we ware hearing their lies over a decade. Julian Assange has falsified the preach with evidence, he is the real man of the Era. We should have to go with time. Please give our minds peace…! Prison is not a compatible place for peoples like Julian Assange, they can change the world. At least we should have to respects his knowledge.

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By: miketkong http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/2010/12/10/wikileaks-wikipiques-lets-all-just-calm-down/#comment-385040 Sun, 12 Dec 2010 03:29:17 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/?p=23546#comment-385040 “shouldn’t they be able to do whatever they want in the marketplace without being attacked in the marketplace of ideas?” Nope. I can act like a fool in public, but that doesn’t mean I’m entitled to not be smacked like a fool in public. Sure, it might be against the law for someone to smack me, but that doesn’t mean it wouldn’t happen or that it’s not right. Some fools just need to be smacked.

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By: BenUSA http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/2010/12/10/wikileaks-wikipiques-lets-all-just-calm-down/#comment-385030 Sat, 11 Dec 2010 18:04:18 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/?p=23546#comment-385030 Thru the eyes and work of Assange we get a sense of confirmation of two faced governments and leaders, saying noble things to appease the masses and having gastly, ulterior motives as the real agenda. How many millions have been killed in the name of “good governance?”. If materials have to be stolen for the common good of humanity then I am not in disagreement with wikileaks motives. One day, if good wins over evil, he may be ranked amongst saints. Right now, amongst all the leaders of the world, he is super-smart.

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By: Fairgo http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/2010/12/10/wikileaks-wikipiques-lets-all-just-calm-down/#comment-384999 Fri, 10 Dec 2010 20:40:04 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/?p=23546#comment-384999 What would happen if you were charged with say murder and when you went to pay your legal team you found out the bank had frozen your account because some friends had donated money to your defense.
How would you like your bank accounts to be frozen even before your are charged of a crime.To my knowledge this bloke has not been charged yet .He is still assisting police with their inquiries I think they call it.
The newspaper are publishing the leaks .In fact more people know about what the pollies said through the news then through wiki-leaks .Treason? no frozen bank accounts for them ? .Same info I am led to believe ?
. Mustn’t be a security leak if it gets on the news
And what about water gate why wasn’t the whistle blowers charged with something
Smells a lot like another David Hicks too me.

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By: CC1955 http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/2010/12/10/wikileaks-wikipiques-lets-all-just-calm-down/#comment-384986 Fri, 10 Dec 2010 16:52:23 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/?p=23546#comment-384986 the retaliation from the government(who made mastercard, visa and the rest pull the plug…really) has been very suppressive and one sided. If Assange is a criminal then all of his publishing accomplices are as well. Problem is, all but one publishing outlet are in other countries. Wouldn’t want to offend France now would we.
Governments have be a little more transparent in the governing of the world. Did Wikileaks give away strategic military positions?? No. How much damage was really done? Embarrassment only.

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