Comments on: Apple, Wikileaks and the new debate on civil disobedience http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/2010/12/22/apple-wikileaks-and-the-new-debate-on-civil-disobedience/ Where media and technology meet Wed, 16 Nov 2016 08:48:25 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: alreaud http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/2010/12/22/apple-wikileaks-and-the-new-debate-on-civil-disobedience/#comment-385546 Thu, 30 Dec 2010 02:13:09 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/?p=23698#comment-385546 Plain and simply, the efforts by companies like Apple, etc., is absolutely futile, in that one can’t censor the Internet. The content is still available. The root of that capability is in the architecture, designed to route around bottlenecks/blockages/breakages. May the Deity bless the members of DARPA for their foresight. They’ve given the human race a nervous system finally…

This is why you don’t want to process in the cloud, like so many major software companies are trying to get you to do. Process in the cloud and you’ll loose control of it, and yes they do make it very sexy to go there.

Regardless of that, if anybody could be charged with a crime it’s the poor US military individual who’s being held incommunicado that actually released the documents. But with respect to him, all you hear is crickets…

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By: Ralphooo http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/2010/12/22/apple-wikileaks-and-the-new-debate-on-civil-disobedience/#comment-385460 Mon, 27 Dec 2010 20:51:16 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/?p=23698#comment-385460 I like the questions by seymourfroggs. One can learn a great deal by studying details of communication.

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By: Ralphooo http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/2010/12/22/apple-wikileaks-and-the-new-debate-on-civil-disobedience/#comment-385456 Mon, 27 Dec 2010 17:53:54 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/?p=23698#comment-385456 “There is little question that the release of government documents by Wikileaks was unlawful.”

I don’t see how Wikileaks could have broken US law. As far as I know, all of the Wikileaks activity took place outside the US. Is it possible to break the laws of a country without ever setting foot inside it?

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By: Dannyboy55 http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/2010/12/22/apple-wikileaks-and-the-new-debate-on-civil-disobedience/#comment-385385 Thu, 23 Dec 2010 15:07:50 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/?p=23698#comment-385385 I think this poem fit the situation:

A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within.
An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves among those within the gates freely, his sly whispers rustling through the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself.
For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the sole of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear.

– MARCUS TULLIUS CICERO
Roman Orator, Statesman 42 B.C.

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By: Dannyboy55 http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/2010/12/22/apple-wikileaks-and-the-new-debate-on-civil-disobedience/#comment-385384 Thu, 23 Dec 2010 15:01:45 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/?p=23698#comment-385384 Any government that is big enough to give you everything is also big enough to take it all away! I’m for fiscally-responsible government of a smaller size.

But I wish that people would remember that the United States is NOT a Democracy. The US is a democratic REPUBLIC! Or to be more accurate, a Constitutional Republic.

Cheers

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By: seymourfroggs http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/2010/12/22/apple-wikileaks-and-the-new-debate-on-civil-disobedience/#comment-385383 Thu, 23 Dec 2010 14:44:07 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/?p=23698#comment-385383 I wonder where the discussions within Mastercard, PayPal, Apple management originated.

Did the CEO in each case say, “This Wikileaks..trouble.. better distance ourselves..”(Are they like that??)
or did someone announce “Trouble on the way for anyone dealing with Assange.” (How would it be circulated??)

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By: Dave1968 http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/2010/12/22/apple-wikileaks-and-the-new-debate-on-civil-disobedience/#comment-385381 Thu, 23 Dec 2010 13:03:20 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/?p=23698#comment-385381 These comments are rite on the mark ” little question Wikileaks broke the law ” should read little question Wikileaks didn’t break the law ,these big companies are just brown nosing the government so they can keep there monopolies , thank god for Wikileaks it’s what the free word needs.

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By: peterb37 http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/2010/12/22/apple-wikileaks-and-the-new-debate-on-civil-disobedience/#comment-385380 Thu, 23 Dec 2010 12:51:00 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/?p=23698#comment-385380 I see you have not posted my last comments. No swear words no threats no bad behavior. I see how you guys work. Editing out comments to keep the unfavorable tally low is about par for the course.

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By: peterb37 http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/2010/12/22/apple-wikileaks-and-the-new-debate-on-civil-disobedience/#comment-385377 Thu, 23 Dec 2010 12:41:43 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/?p=23698#comment-385377 Well, I can see That I have some deleting to do on my computer. Everything apple comes off today . Your ascertion that Wikileaks is breaking the law is just plain in correct. The US doesn’t give a crap about the rule of law unless it is convient. That is the whole point of Wikileaks. We have a plethera of War Criminals running loose without any fear of prosecution. That isn’t an opinion by the way, it’s a verifiable fact. Of course facts are not relevant when it comes to the law. Facts seem to be what ever the US Government decides they are. Not to worry, the rest of the world can see exactly what is happening here. Our presidents lie to us,and they lie to our allies. We have become a militeristic authoritian society that pays lip service to our constitution and laws. It is a sad sad thing that I have to use foreign media to get any kind of straight forward journalism.
I can just delete Reuters from my list as easily as I can delete Apple software from my computer.

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By: markcwells http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/2010/12/22/apple-wikileaks-and-the-new-debate-on-civil-disobedience/#comment-385374 Thu, 23 Dec 2010 12:09:47 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/?p=23698#comment-385374 I am a strong supporter of civil disobedience. It is a national tradition dating back to the revolutionary war. These days however, the federal government wields more power than ever. If a company attempts to disobey the federal government, they will be shut down in a matter of days. The same thing goes for individuals. Right now any branch of government can take your house, car, boat, savings, and whatever else they wish. All they need is probable cause to believe a crime has been committed. The Patriot Act and property siezure laws virtually eliminate due process.

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