Comments on: A new iPad, the same iEthics http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/2012/03/09/a-new-ipad-the-same-iethics/ Where media and technology meet Wed, 16 Nov 2016 08:48:25 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: opuntia http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/2012/03/09/a-new-ipad-the-same-iethics/#comment-391878 Wed, 14 Mar 2012 02:51:06 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/?p=34130#comment-391878 Perhaps when we see a rise in prices something is afoot.

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By: CapitalismSays http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/2012/03/09/a-new-ipad-the-same-iethics/#comment-391873 Tue, 13 Mar 2012 14:37:09 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/?p=34130#comment-391873 The view must spectacular from way up there on your high horse.

Apple’s manufacturing practices (aka everyone’s manufacturing practices) must be the cause de’jour. I guess I missed the meeting. Allow me to recommend a schedule for the remainder of the year.

April – High sodium diets
May – Pharmaceutical patents
June – Excessive use of sodium nitrate fertilizer
July – Deforestation/Wetlands conservation
August – GMOs/Monsanto
September – Lobbyists
October – Hedge funds and banks
November – Affirmative action
December – Government subsidies

*If a drilling accident occurs, I vote we will immediately shift the current month to hydraulic fracturing. Perhaps we can incorporate tar sands into that too.

**I realize that we all just switched over to Aspergers from ADHD but I’m always open for a new developmental disorder too.

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By: Vlad3 http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/2012/03/09/a-new-ipad-the-same-iethics/#comment-391857 Sun, 11 Mar 2012 21:22:30 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/?p=34130#comment-391857 I just want to add to the above that if we were just a little more humble, much less greedy and decisively more holy than the world and many human lives would be better.

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By: MarcusP http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/2012/03/09/a-new-ipad-the-same-iethics/#comment-391856 Sun, 11 Mar 2012 16:47:33 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/?p=34130#comment-391856 @capeman29 Yes, but these companies have never claimed such high levels of investigation and strict rules. Also claiming that they do not tolerate this treatment. When in fact their policy they publicly advertise has a zero tolerance for mistreatment of their employees and that they terminate their relationship with them if they violate those terms. FOXCON is still one of the biggest manufactures for Apple and there is numerous counts of mistreatment and outragous incentive to overwork their workers. FOXCON IS STILL WORKING AS AN APPLE CONTRACTOR regardless of Apples “so-called” supplier responsibility http://www.apple.com/supplierresponsibil ity/
But it still has not stopped this treatment, abuse and problem.

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By: WeWereWallSt http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/2012/03/09/a-new-ipad-the-same-iethics/#comment-391852 Sun, 11 Mar 2012 06:16:25 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/?p=34130#comment-391852 We love Apple’s rebuttal: “Every year Apple inspects more factories, going deeper into the supply chain and raising the bar for our suppliers.”

What a hunk of steaming corporate PR department BS that is. “Raising the bar for our suppliers.” What exactly does that mean, other than, “it’s their fault, not ours?” Raise the bar indeed.

Apple is the target here because they’re such self-promoting cool hipsters, out to change the world with insanely this and incredible that, that shipping so many jobs abroad where OSHA wouldn’t dare venture shows their hypocrisy. They’re really not so cool.

Let’s face it, an mp3 player saved Apple from oblivion 10 years ago, a right-place, right-time miracle, and they strut around now like they’re God’s gift to the tech world. But nothing they produce makes Americans more productive. And, with $100 billion in the bank now on the back of their fat margins and millions of Americans unemployed, they’re a reasonable target. Smalera might go over the top a little here, but not much.

www.wewerewallstreet.com

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By: shantanu1 http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/2012/03/09/a-new-ipad-the-same-iethics/#comment-391851 Sun, 11 Mar 2012 04:55:45 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/?p=34130#comment-391851 If we bring such externalities to any project, few may survive. Whatever Apple does is common to the world at large and Apple does a little better than the rest. In that event, suggesting whatever has been in the article is so out of place unless the wish is for the whole planet in general. That does not require Apple to be singled out. That said, China has positioned itself as a country with capable workforce that available in 100,000 at one place, something that India has little capability to do what with its appalling educational standards and the leadership that cannot tell an Apple from a Mango or Lemon of technology. Any country that can think of giving its children a $10 laptop made by Indians and then waste several years trying to make it, not even able to understand that 1: electronics is a competitive industry and only way to differentiate is by value as if you play the cost game you get what you get for the price point; 2: US makes the technologies and unless you can create new technologies better than the US you cannot start a new game and 3: China is the cheapest and yet a quality producer in the world and no has bettered it just yet.. So India has a thinking deficit and China does provide its workers what its capable of. Its also true that most people in the world will not work as the Chinese do. So its a much larger question. Not just of rewarding the companies that make Apple products simply $1 per product extra and insist it goes to the worker will mean $100M for 400,000 workers or $250 per worker. Raising it by $10 will mean every worker gets $2500 extra. This can be given in Apple stocks and that alone can reduce the pain considerably. The pain dues to personal or social challenges may be dealt with differently and separately. So there are ways to address teh question but not the way the writer seems to desire.

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By: Vlad3 http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/2012/03/09/a-new-ipad-the-same-iethics/#comment-391850 Sun, 11 Mar 2012 04:19:12 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/?p=34130#comment-391850 Talking about poor working conditions, and wanting to help, is all well and good, but I think that if you ask any of those impoverished workers for their opinion, they will tell you that A job is better than no job at all.
 
I think that sitting on our couches, in our comfy modern houses, we are (with sarcasm) well qualified to discuss reform and revolution since we are not the ones that will experience the pain of this change, which we cause.
 
Don’t get me wrong; I AM all for supporting better life through out the world. But just ask yourselves, how much good are we doing if we attack the very companies that provide people with the food and drink that keeps them alive? I believe there is this old saying that goes, “don’t bite the hand that feeds you.”

And, if we do raise the salaries of the workers and improve the working conditions to international standards, than as you say: we WILL return jobs to the United States. On one hand this would/could seem to be a good idea, but if our mission was to improve the lives of the poor “3rd world” workers, than it will actually hurt them, as they will have no where to work. Any impoverished worker will tell you: given the choice, they would prefer to work a horrid job rather than allow their families to die of hunger. Needless to say though, Reform CAN BE GOOD, but only if all of the parties involved benefit.
 
The problem in over seas jobs isn’t their below-average working conditions, but rather the fact that it’s impossible to consider people as “rich” without comparing them to someone who’s “poor.” Likewise, we cannot have a DISTINCT upper class without a DISTINCT middle class, because otherwise they would be one and the same. And we cannot have a “middle” classwith per say without “lower” and “upper” classes to sandwich it on either side.
 
People are rich only in comparison. I’m sure that if we compare those factory workers to the Feudal Ages, we would find that they are relatively well-off. But, by the same logic, if we compare them to ourselves, sitting on plush sofas and watching TV while we chow down on some good chocolate pudding, than we will know that they are relatively poor.
 
It’s all well and good to call for reform and social improvement, but only as long as we remember (and recognize) that the problem isn’t overseas jobs or appalling job markets, or even sickening working conditions, but rather the system itself. “Don’t hate the player, hate the game,” we would say, but we can agree with the author on his point that we all feed into this system and nurture it daily and hourly, and even when we sleep on our soft factory-made beds with our little night-lights, while others sleep in rat-infested flea-ridden filth.
 
But how do we fix this? you may ask. And I will tell you that the only way we can fix this, the only way we can erase poverty, the only way to save our selves —as The Human Race— is to recognize the fact that as long as someone is “better”-off, someone else will have to be “worce”-off by the very definition.
 
As long as someone is rich, someone will have to be poor. And there cannot be a middle without the outlying sides. And only perfect equality can be equal. Middle, lower, upper, kings, queens, celebrities, the rich, the poor, social classes, are all inherently not equal. Only the purest Equality can ever be fair, and it is to this end that we as Americans have strived for decades and centuries, from Martin Luther King Junior the Founding Fathers to anyone who has ever stood up to protest against the unfair.
 
But this is a Dream that we can never reach, because it’s anarchy AND communism, combined. And we all know how much money we spent to get rid of those two ideas. I DO NOT intend to advertise either of them, but just think of how much good we could have done for the world, and even for our own jobless citizens, if we used that money for more important things and improved conditions for people here AND else where.
To put it shortly, the world is not as simple as it appears, if we push here, than something else will pull there. Fixing the conditions at one company somewhere (no matter how big or small it is) is not going to change the world. If we want to save the world, we must not only change the way we look at life, but also reinvent our place in it. And That is the ultimate goal, and I believe the author of this article will agree on this.
Peace friends,
V.

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By: Hwilliams http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/2012/03/09/a-new-ipad-the-same-iethics/#comment-391849 Sun, 11 Mar 2012 03:23:48 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/?p=34130#comment-391849 I have an 8 year old son who is constantly bemoaning that 98% of the items we buy are made in China. He doesn’t understand. I try to explain but it gets into a level of conversation that is over his head. Basically, I tell him, it costs less money to make things in China which means you can buy it for less. He gets that, but the bigger challenge that comes with inexpensive labor is lost on him. We have come up with a “treasure hunt” game to try and find items to purchase that are not made in China… or Vietnam or India… It isn’t easy…

Apple is an American idol – they have are beloved for the innovative culture they have built, the products they bring to market before consumers even know they want them, and for delivering a brilliant branding case study for business everywhere to admire. As such, they have a valuable market opportunity to drive a cultural shift that condones the kinds of practices at Foxconn and instead expect – or even demand – ethical practices. If Apple can do it, and drive success, others will follow – just look at how they’ve driven consumer technology adoption and the onslaught of cultural and business shifts that change has influenced.

You could argue that because of their market leadership position they should live up to a moral responsibility to choose an ethical solution, but, then again, business and ethics don’t always go hand-in-hand – especially when one gets in the way of revenue generation.

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By: referat747 http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/2012/03/09/a-new-ipad-the-same-iethics/#comment-391848 Sun, 11 Mar 2012 03:02:51 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/?p=34130#comment-391848 Capeman:
Are you suggesting that because it has been going on for hundreds of years, or that everyone else does it, that we should continue to accept this?

Sarngate:
Perhaps because Apple gets the greatest media attention. If one wants to address this problem wouldn’t it be obvious to choose the start with a company like Apple?
The root to the problem is that our civilization, just as the Roman empire was, is based upon overconsumption among a minority of people only made possible by undermining the rest. It is a disease.

cdanvers:
As a Scandinavian it would make me proud to buy an Ipad3 manufactured in America and especially if it was manufactured under good or excellent working conditions.
I would gladly pay 50-100USD more, despite my tight budget as a student.
The point is that I am not the only one and Kony2012 is a good example of that. You can say much about the campaign, but in the ind it is about caring and acting upon true empathy for people across the planet that one might never meet or even see on a photo. It is about walking the talk, collectively and showing compassion.

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By: sean28924 http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/2012/03/09/a-new-ipad-the-same-iethics/#comment-391846 Sun, 11 Mar 2012 02:16:32 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/?p=34130#comment-391846 The facts are that a large percentage of retail products we in the US and other OECD nations consume are produced in conditions similar to or worse than than Foxconn. The closer you get to “the ground” the worse it gets. Ive seen some things in the mining and agriculture industries that are pretty humbling. The issues of inequality and globalization are so much bigger than Apple or Foxconn, and there are no easy answers. So, boycott Apple if it makes you feel better, but just remember the whole system that creates your (and my) standard of living is built on the same brutal reality that life sucks for a lot of people. All you, as an individual can do is try to help as many people as you can. If we all did that, it may not eliminate poverty altogether, but the world would be a better place.

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