Comments on: After Newtown, guns are one more rift in the GOP http://blogs.reuters.com/nicholas-wapshott/2012/12/19/after-newtown-guns-are-one-more-rift-in-the-gop/ Wed, 26 Nov 2014 19:47:54 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: mrbroke http://blogs.reuters.com/nicholas-wapshott/2012/12/19/after-newtown-guns-are-one-more-rift-in-the-gop/#comment-244 Sun, 30 Dec 2012 04:43:12 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/nicholas-wapshott/?p=116#comment-244 The AW ban would be lucky to get out of the senate most GOP’s are going to vote with the NRA here is why it’s easy to connect to gun owners on this. NRA only has to get some DEMS from pro gun states to vote with the NRA also. All the NRA will say is the next step is a ban on everything. Quick and easy message to get out. The dem’s have to try and get out a complicated message how they are going to ban this gun and that gun with pistol grips, or some gun Dianne thought looked evil as she looked though pictures. Most of the supporters of banning guns are small number of liberal activist. Normal folks really don’t care. Gun owners are way more motivated to email, write, and call there senator and complain because they have something to lose. Most know mass killings are few and far between why bother with trying to ban guns. 1994 AW ban only passed by 2 votes, and what happened in 1994 GOP took the house which had not happened in 30 years.

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By: James77509 http://blogs.reuters.com/nicholas-wapshott/2012/12/19/after-newtown-guns-are-one-more-rift-in-the-gop/#comment-224 Wed, 26 Dec 2012 09:47:07 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/nicholas-wapshott/?p=116#comment-224 Lets see if I have this correct. Liberals want all assault weapons outlawed or confiscated. Now in order to do that some federal agency is going to have to pick up those assault weapons. Good luck on that one.

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By: ACRScout http://blogs.reuters.com/nicholas-wapshott/2012/12/19/after-newtown-guns-are-one-more-rift-in-the-gop/#comment-223 Tue, 25 Dec 2012 19:14:17 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/nicholas-wapshott/?p=116#comment-223 Benny27,

No a car is not a weapon, but all items deemed to be “weapons” are not objects intent on killing either. Knives have been used as weapons of war far longer than guns, yet today they are accepted as “tools” and are largely dismissed as “weapons” by the left in spite of the number of muders committed with them each year.

I have a variety of firearms in my home, for the past 38 years I have owned guns and for the past 30 years my kids have owned guns. To date, not one of them has taken a human life. We all enjoy target shooting and to a lesser degree we also hunt and we take from the field every animal we harvest. I am often amused but rarely surprised at the socialist ideals of the left, which come to light all too readily in this argument issue, where liberals have no qualms about pubishing the innocent along with the guilty and catagorizing all gun owners as people that must be regulated and stripped of their rights based on the actions of a very few.

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By: ACRScout http://blogs.reuters.com/nicholas-wapshott/2012/12/19/after-newtown-guns-are-one-more-rift-in-the-gop/#comment-222 Tue, 25 Dec 2012 18:57:28 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/nicholas-wapshott/?p=116#comment-222 Assault weapons and many other types were banned in Canada, and there are still people committing crimes with those types of guns in Canada.

When guns are totally banned in the U.S. and school shootings and street killings still happen due to the shooters making their own in the basement, what will be the excuse offered by the left? What will be the answer to the families of the dead when there is no real excuse.

Guns are not the problem and never have been. The Newtown shooter gave a number of advanced warnings and no one paid attention, until he opened fire. Guns are merely the easy excuse. Politicians don’t like the idea of assigning blame to the killer because the liberals sympathise with the killer and the left hints, ever so carefully, that his mental instability is the fault of society, but society votes and guns don’t so liberals and politicians put the blame where it will cost them the fewest votes.

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By: lawgone http://blogs.reuters.com/nicholas-wapshott/2012/12/19/after-newtown-guns-are-one-more-rift-in-the-gop/#comment-221 Sun, 23 Dec 2012 01:17:33 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/nicholas-wapshott/?p=116#comment-221 This looks like a crybaby article written by a diehard Liberal…No lawmaker can protect anyone from harms way, its not the guns, stooooopid.

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By: Realityy101 http://blogs.reuters.com/nicholas-wapshott/2012/12/19/after-newtown-guns-are-one-more-rift-in-the-gop/#comment-220 Sat, 22 Dec 2012 08:39:01 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/nicholas-wapshott/?p=116#comment-220 Guns are created for the explicit purpose to effectively kill any living object, including human beings. Assault guns (rapid-fire guns) are used for the purpose of battle to kill as many people as possible in short time. Is this what the 2nd amendment was about? Is it good for individuals to own such powerful weapons? The more guns the greater the death rate.

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By: Benny27 http://blogs.reuters.com/nicholas-wapshott/2012/12/19/after-newtown-guns-are-one-more-rift-in-the-gop/#comment-218 Fri, 21 Dec 2012 22:07:59 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/nicholas-wapshott/?p=116#comment-218 vulturetx, you may be dumb enough to be fooled by such an obtuse argument, but really: a car’s purpose is not to kill. Adam Lanza used the tools ‘as directed’. I will type slowly a c a r i s n o t a w e a p o n

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By: Realityy101 http://blogs.reuters.com/nicholas-wapshott/2012/12/19/after-newtown-guns-are-one-more-rift-in-the-gop/#comment-217 Fri, 21 Dec 2012 22:05:17 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/nicholas-wapshott/?p=116#comment-217 “When Australia instituted a gun ban, the crime rate went up 78%.”
Sorry, but you are not referring to the firearn homicide rate.
Please note: “In 1996, 35 people were killed in the worst gun massacre in Australian history. But the next decade saw the firearm homicide rate fall by 59 per cent, and the firearm suicide rate fall by 65 per cent, without a corresponding rise in non-firearm deaths.” This was the effect of the new gun control law as well as the gun buy-back.
Let us be corect: A gun is not just an “inanimate object” but an instrument of death, sometimes massive deaths.

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By: Realityy101 http://blogs.reuters.com/nicholas-wapshott/2012/12/19/after-newtown-guns-are-one-more-rift-in-the-gop/#comment-216 Fri, 21 Dec 2012 21:46:26 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/nicholas-wapshott/?p=116#comment-216 Please. Act intelligent. Anyone and everyone understands that a gun itself can not do the shooting. It is the person using this so-called harmless “inanimate object” that intends to murder human beings. But place this object made for death and destruction in the hands of a would-be murder and you have instant death. Add a powerful rapid-fire (assault) rifle, made to kill many humans in battle instantly, and you have massive deaths. Moreover, the person doesn’t even have to be mentally ill to murder, just upset or angry. It’s quick and easy, and tt happens every day at an alarming rate in the infamous United States. And, really, how often do people choose a car to murder a person? If they desire to kill numerous people what do they use? And the NRA, in effect, actively supports these people in their right to kill. They are their legal companions, hiding behind a law was never meant for this purpose. Truth is, the NRA is the organization most responsible for the tragedy of Sandy Hook Elementary. The boy-man was just the person who pulled the trigger. They (YOU) made it possible and therefore must take the consequences. Congratulations! May you never rest in peace.

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By: ENDIF http://blogs.reuters.com/nicholas-wapshott/2012/12/19/after-newtown-guns-are-one-more-rift-in-the-gop/#comment-213 Fri, 21 Dec 2012 20:35:17 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/nicholas-wapshott/?p=116#comment-213 As usual, we liberals are snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

We are wasting an opportunity, and handing the conservatives more base-energizing (and expanding) ammunition in one incompetent stumble, cheering all the while.

Most of us aren’t getting the terms of this discussion wrong, we’re getting the problem itself wrong.

Further restricting firearms ownership when the problem is actually the social darwinism at all levels of society that leaves people to become so broken and desperate that they give in to their sick urge to take lives, does nothing.

The only two things that could actually significantly reduce firearms deaths – ending the Drug War and implementing single payer healthcare with on demand mental health and addiction services – seem mostly neglected in these discussions.

Anyone that actually cares about reducing violence of all types, and gun violence in particular, should be focusing on the CAUSES, not the SYMPTOM.

We should be flogging how the ACA would improve these services, not fapping about restricting the rights of the law abiding. We should be pushing to expand it to further improve these services.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world  /2012/12/17/guns-mass-killings-worldwid e/1776191/

We should be having the discussion about ending the drug war that creates the black market that creates and feeds the cartels and their satellite gangs and distribution networks. The flawed laws that cage casual users with hardened criminals in prisons that are more run by gangs than wardens or guards. Ie, the cause of most violence, particularly firearms violence.

http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/public ations/2011-national-gang-threat-assessm ent

Momentum is on our side, it’s up to us how to use it, how we frame the issue.

But here we are, discussing the symptom instead of addressing the actual problem.

It’s as if two sides of a partisan donation machine – the NRA and the equally malevolent Brady anti-gun lobby – are cynically manipulating their respective demographics for profit. Have no doubts, each requires the other to stampede their respective constituencies in the desired direction.

Focusing on anything beyond closing the gunshow loophole and improving mental health reporting will do absolutely nothing to curb violence.

CT is rated to be the fifth “best” state for gun laws according to the Brady Campaign which means they are more restrictive than 45 other states on various laws relating to firearms.”

Clearly that worked well for them on Friday.

An assault weapons ban or attempts to restrict magazine size will *cause* violence in the form of right wing terrorism, as demonstrated throughout the 90s.
http://thinkprogress.org/security/2012/0 4/19/467384/chart-right-wing-extremism-t error-threat-oklahoma-city/

An all out ban will cause even liberals like myself to think twice about the reasons behind the open insurrection that would result. And that doesn’t take into account the thousands of lives it would cost.

Assuming you could actually get any of these passed, common sense or not.
A complete waste of political capital.

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