Comments on: Immigration reform could tear GOP apart http://blogs.reuters.com/nicholas-wapshott/2013/01/25/immigration-reform-could-tear-gop-apart/ Wed, 26 Nov 2014 19:47:54 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: Nebris http://blogs.reuters.com/nicholas-wapshott/2013/01/25/immigration-reform-could-tear-gop-apart/#comment-523 Sat, 02 Feb 2013 22:51:33 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/nicholas-wapshott/?p=201#comment-523 The Obama regime has been a Deporting Machine and many undocumented have left on their own because there is far less work since the Crash of ’08. So a lot of this is just Sound and Fury.

The real issue is that the need for human labor has declined in general and that The Monied Interests have gutted America’s industrial base. Those are the primary factors that are destroying the Middle Class.

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By: PseudoTurtle http://blogs.reuters.com/nicholas-wapshott/2013/01/25/immigration-reform-could-tear-gop-apart/#comment-483 Tue, 29 Jan 2013 17:45:18 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/nicholas-wapshott/?p=201#comment-483 @ JL4 —

You, sir, are dead wrong in your opinion. This is NOT about xenophobia, but about protecting what little is left of the US economy from the wealthy class who are destroying it.

I would rather it was xenophobia than the blatant prejudice you display against the American worker. It is disgusting to think that anyone would deliberately spread the lie that the American worker is too lazy to work. It is an opinion not based on fact, but on a reverse discrimination against mostly white workers.

And not all of these jobs are “workers who, for the most part, pick tomatoes and install drywall”. It is a documented fact that illegal workers have been found in other industries as well (e.g. the meat packing industry).

It also isn’t just about illegal immigration, but the issue of immigration itself — legal or not — which MUST be stopped for the US to survive.

For example, the H-1B visa program “legally” imports jobs at the high end of the range. While it is not a problem in terms of the same magnitude of numbers as the lower end, it is designed to take away high paying jobs from American workers.

For example, from Wikipedia solely for ease of access.

“The H-1B is a non-immigrant visa in the United States under the Immigration and Nationality Act, section 101(a)(15)(H). It allows US employers to temporarily employ foreign workers in specialty occupations. If a foreign worker in H-1B status quits or is dismissed from the sponsoring employer, the worker must either apply for and be granted a change of status to another non-immigrant status, find another employer (subject to application for adjustment of status and/or change of visa), or leave the US.”

The regulations define a “specialty occupation” as requiring theoretical and practical application of a body of highly specialized knowledge in a field of human endeavor[1] including but not limited to architecture, engineering, mathematics, physical sciences, social sciences, biotechnology, medicine and health, education, law, accounting, business specialties, theology, and the arts, and requiring the attainment of a bachelor’s degree or its equivalent as a minimum.”

Notice the definition of “specialty occupation” above: “highly specialized knowledge in a field of human endeavor[1] including but not limited to architecture, engineering, mathematics, physical sciences, social sciences, biotechnology, medicine and health, education, law, accounting, business specialties, theology, and the arts”.

Are you kidding me? That is a blank check for employers to bring in as many foreign (i.e. lower paid workers) as they want, when the number of immigrants this country needs is ZERO.

Another facet of this is, if and when these people actually leave the US — and many do not — and return home, they go home as well-trained professionals, taking the skills they learned here with them. Talk about a “brain drain”!

This wealthy-dominated country is bent on destroying jobs by driving down wages so the wealthy can reap more profits. Have you ever wondered, for example, why there are suddenly so many foreign doctors and others in the health care industry?

This is the reverse of “outsourcing”. Let’s call it “insourcing”, meaning any job that cannot be practically outsourced either physically or through the internet is “insourced”, which further drives down our standard of living.

We have a SERIOUS immigration problem — both legal illegal — that Congress MUST solve for the benefit of the American people, not for the benefit of the wealthy class.

This is NOT the “immigration reform” bullshit they want.

When Obama promised change we can believe in, perhaps we should have asked him what he had in mind.

THIS is NOT change we can believe in.

THIS is change that the wealthy class and foreigners, who are pouring into our country through non-existent borders, can believe in.

It’s far past the time when we should be demanding from our government, WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON?

I propose we reform our government BEFORE we reform our immigration policies!

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By: JL4 http://blogs.reuters.com/nicholas-wapshott/2013/01/25/immigration-reform-could-tear-gop-apart/#comment-481 Tue, 29 Jan 2013 16:00:12 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/nicholas-wapshott/?p=201#comment-481 You guys are blaming illegal immigrants for the reduction of wages and high unemployment rates. You’re blaming workers who, for the most part, pick tomatoes and install drywall. And you can beat your chests all you want with “Americans WILL do that hard labor for better wages!” but the fact is, Americans won’t – ask Alabama farmers.

And where is your anger for the employers who hire the illegal immigrants? Where is that good old-fashioned American ire for the companies who refuse to pay a decent wage for the back-breaking work to the demanding American workforce? Where are your criticisms for companies like Walmart, who only hire part-time workers so they can avoid benefits like holidays, vacations and most importantly – health insurance for families?

What about corporations sending jobs overseas to take advantage of the low wages in China, Pakistan and India to name just three countries? They are shutting down facilities, offices and operations here in the U.S., and laying off hundreds of thousands of workers every year in favor of the lower overall operating costs and higher profits of “Globalization.” Too many American corporations have abandoned the American economy, but you don’t want to look there because it doesn’t fit with your convenient xenophobia.

You’re more comfortable rattling your swords at the 11 million immigrants who pick blueberries and lay down sod grass than you are looking at the total picture.

Illegal immigrants aren’t working at Walmart in their air-conditioned corporate offices drawing down $50K a year with bennies, boys and girls. Those are the jobs that are disappearing at an alarmingly fast rate, and making it next to impossible for the average American to raise a family with any semblance of security.

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By: QuietThinker http://blogs.reuters.com/nicholas-wapshott/2013/01/25/immigration-reform-could-tear-gop-apart/#comment-480 Tue, 29 Jan 2013 15:19:56 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/nicholas-wapshott/?p=201#comment-480 “Immigration reform could tear GOP apart” It could be a great thing. I am one who believes that we need a viable two party system. The Tea Party, extremist ideologues, and every Republican who shouts RINO at other Republicans will be the downfall of the Republicans as a viable, workable party. Issues like immigration reform will greatly aid the Republican Party if they can be used to force the extremists out of the party. In other words, force the Tea Party to become a separate fringe party, so that the Republican Party can get back to being a functional political party and work with conservative Democrats to provide real solutions to problems instead of hate filled ideological rhetoric.

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By: SamuelReich http://blogs.reuters.com/nicholas-wapshott/2013/01/25/immigration-reform-could-tear-gop-apart/#comment-479 Tue, 29 Jan 2013 09:36:37 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/nicholas-wapshott/?p=201#comment-479 Common sense requires that the number of legal immigrants and green cards be tied to the unemployment rate for the last few years. Also special category occupations be tied to the underemployment rate of citizen college graduates with the degrees in the area even if they have no work experience.

Times of high unemployment in the US should be times of low emigration, and times of low unemployment should be times of high emigration.

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By: Trident1973 http://blogs.reuters.com/nicholas-wapshott/2013/01/25/immigration-reform-could-tear-gop-apart/#comment-475 Mon, 28 Jan 2013 21:49:30 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/nicholas-wapshott/?p=201#comment-475 “Recent polling confirms that his views on gay marriage, gun control, abortion, immigration and other social issues all chime with a majority of the electorate” You are Degenerate?

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By: montanamoss http://blogs.reuters.com/nicholas-wapshott/2013/01/25/immigration-reform-could-tear-gop-apart/#comment-474 Mon, 28 Jan 2013 18:56:44 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/nicholas-wapshott/?p=201#comment-474 The president was not reelected by an overwhelming majority as he continues to say. Yes, he did win the most electoral votes, but statistically, it was almost a draw when you look at the popular vote.

That being said, we need to stop automatic citizenship to illegals born in this country. That is not guaranteed by the constitution. Only those with at least one family member, who is an actual citizen qualifies, not some illegal alien who has a baby at a local hospital.

The president is not in tune with the majority of Americans. Please stop looking at the liberal polls. Their numbers are misleading and only show what they want you to see.

Americans want to keep and bear arms with no infringement to that, we want to stop illegal immigration, and we want to see our great country rebound and create good paying jobs for our children, not the children of immigrants.

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By: Calfri http://blogs.reuters.com/nicholas-wapshott/2013/01/25/immigration-reform-could-tear-gop-apart/#comment-473 Mon, 28 Jan 2013 16:56:32 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/nicholas-wapshott/?p=201#comment-473 The writer could not be more wrong. I wouldn’t trust one A.P. poll about what the American people think about immigration. The bias in the mainstream media is so pronounced they couldn’t do a straight report on immigration if they wanted to. The reason immigration reform — aka mass amnesty — doesn’t happen is only because most people people don’t want it, because they see it as inherently unfair to working Americans. The American people are bucking up against the elites, conservatives and liberals, including liberal columnists. It’s ironic, btw, that this column comes from a Brit, a place where foreigners have positively overrun the country in a manner that has been completely degrading.

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By: AdamSmith http://blogs.reuters.com/nicholas-wapshott/2013/01/25/immigration-reform-could-tear-gop-apart/#comment-469 Sun, 27 Jan 2013 20:34:34 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/nicholas-wapshott/?p=201#comment-469 A wealthy acquaintance of mine owns an orchard in Washington State. Although he spends most of his time traveling for leisure, he likes to consider himself a farmer.

About 2 years ago he built some new cheap houses/barracks for Mexican workers who harvest his fruit and maintain his orchards.

He said Americans wouldn’t do the hard work. I said Americans would certainly do it for the right wage level. He said no, the Americans are just lazy. (He ignores the fact that he himself also chooses not to do the labor, but he does not consider himself to be lazy, even though he just travels around the world having fun.)

Anyway, this year he angrily complained to my sister that now the Mexicans are getting lazy. They (the Mexicans) refuse to work for him, telling him that the rate he offers is too low, they simply can’t make a living with that kind of pay level.

What this wealthy, lazy, spoiled guy fails to understand is that every laborer is in business. The laborer’s revenues (his wages) must exceed his living expenses, or he is working at a loss.

The wealthy investor class tell us every day that they can’t invest unless the rate of return on their investment is high. The certainly can’t invest in a project where the expenses exceed revenues. That would be business suicide, they tell us.

Yet when a laborer refuses to accept a low wage, the wealthy (especially the wealthy who inherited their money from parents) accuse the worker as lazy. Such irony in human nature!

The true enemy of the worker is the wealthy man who does nothing but live an easy life, then comes to forums like this at Reuters and accuses laborers who refuse to work for low pay as being lazy.

This, when it is the wealthy class who travel about on vacation after vacation, like spoiled children, writing them off as business trups, and do not carry their share of the hard, gruelling work of our nation.

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By: pavoter1946 http://blogs.reuters.com/nicholas-wapshott/2013/01/25/immigration-reform-could-tear-gop-apart/#comment-467 Sun, 27 Jan 2013 17:57:56 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/nicholas-wapshott/?p=201#comment-467 If there were stronger unions in this country, all workers, legal and illegal would be better off, and a route to staying for illegal immigrants would be out in the open, requiring companies to pay a fair wage, rather then a sub-par wage, due to the fact that the worker could not complain.

And a rigid policy forces those who come to the US to study and gain knowledge and advanced degrees, but then cannot stay to benefit the US with their talents.

And it simply is a fact, inconvenient or not, that many illegal immigrants do jobs that Americans don’t want to do. Hard manual labor.

But don’t let arguments in favor of a more humane treatment get in the way of Tea Party rhetoric.

The demand for ideological purity will destroy the Republican Party, and the nation will be poorer for that happening.

The Tea Party really needs to look at who is putting up their money, and what are their motives.

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