Comments on: Fighting for the future of conservativism http://blogs.reuters.com/nicholas-wapshott/2014/05/13/fighting-for-the-future-of-conservativism/ Wed, 26 Nov 2014 19:47:54 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: explorer08 http://blogs.reuters.com/nicholas-wapshott/2014/05/13/fighting-for-the-future-of-conservativism/#comment-2236 Sun, 18 May 2014 02:26:22 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/nicholas-wapshott/?p=1348#comment-2236 Why call it “conservatism” these days? Maybe back in the old days but, now, a better term is fascism.

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By: AlkalineState http://blogs.reuters.com/nicholas-wapshott/2014/05/13/fighting-for-the-future-of-conservativism/#comment-2234 Fri, 16 May 2014 16:06:11 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/nicholas-wapshott/?p=1348#comment-2234 GOP = doomed. Too religious and nutty now.

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By: COindependent http://blogs.reuters.com/nicholas-wapshott/2014/05/13/fighting-for-the-future-of-conservativism/#comment-2233 Fri, 16 May 2014 15:09:10 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/nicholas-wapshott/?p=1348#comment-2233 @Bage Look up Pelosi’s past legislation, starting with the fish processing facilities in Samoa, that specifically benefitted her husbands investments (he owns the only processing facility in Samoa.) Also, look up Harry Reids real estate “investments” where he did not put up any cash, and the peddling of influence where his son’s law firm benefitted.

As for Obama’s money…did you know that Michelle’s job at the hospital was never filled after she left? That shows how important that job was….to the tune of $200K a year. Also, it was documented that she was part of the “patient dumping” scheme, where they literally shipped destitute patients to other hospitals to keep their costs under control.

Now, I am not saying Republicans are saints. But the graft, largess, and influence-peddling is not confined to one party. Remember, Chicago and Illinois have been Dem controlled for decades. Our POTUS, nor the FLOTUS, are not stupid–they learned to play the game well.

@ Michael Did you see the latest financial report on the POTUS? He’s one of the 1% libs believe are only part of the Republican party. If any one person epitomizes the “in it for me” mantra, you can start by looking at the lead resident at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. NW in Washington DC. How are those rose-colored glasses doing?

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By: COindependent http://blogs.reuters.com/nicholas-wapshott/2014/05/13/fighting-for-the-future-of-conservativism/#comment-2232 Fri, 16 May 2014 14:09:37 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/nicholas-wapshott/?p=1348#comment-2232 @Bage Look up Pelosi’s past legislation, starting with the fish processing facilities in Samoa, that specifically benefitted her husbands investments (he owns the only processing facility in Samoa.) Also, look up Harry Reids real estate “investments” where he did not put up any cash, and the peddling of influence where his son’s law firm benefitted.

As for Obama’s money…did you know that Michelle’s job at the hospital was never filled after she left? That shows how important that job was….to the tune of $200K a year. Also, it was documented that she was part of the “patient dumping” scheme, where they literally shipped destitute patients to other hospitals to keep their costs under control.

Now, I am not saying Republicans are saints. But the graft, largess, and influence-peddling is not confined to one party. Remember, Chicago and Illinois have been Dem controlled for decades. Our POTUS, nor the FLOTUS, are not stupid–they learned to play the game well.

@ Michael Did you see the latest financial report on the POTUS? He’s one of the 1% libs believe are only part of the Republican party. If any one person epitomizes the “in it for me” mantra, you can start by looking at the lead resident at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. NW in Washington DC. How are those rose-colored glasses doing?

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By: michaelryan http://blogs.reuters.com/nicholas-wapshott/2014/05/13/fighting-for-the-future-of-conservativism/#comment-2231 Fri, 16 May 2014 13:14:45 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/nicholas-wapshott/?p=1348#comment-2231 the current brand of conservatism out there needs to die a slow death. It is not in line with “liberty and justice for all”. It only care about cash and wealth for me… and my morals are better than your morals… and it thwartw any attempt at government if its not in power…

The youth of this nation will not stand for it once they truly see this zebra’s stripes. In ten years the GOP will be irrelevant unless it moves to the center…

Immigration reform is justice for all… Affordable care act is justice for all… w/o affordable care act – only the wealthy could get the insurance they need..

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By: ejhiggs http://blogs.reuters.com/nicholas-wapshott/2014/05/13/fighting-for-the-future-of-conservativism/#comment-2230 Fri, 16 May 2014 08:19:30 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/nicholas-wapshott/?p=1348#comment-2230 I don’t know much about the GOP but I suspect that the British Conservatives are in trouble (perhaps). All political parties are alliances of groups, and the Conservatives are no different. The present Conservative constellation was born in the Edwardian period when the free-market business interests that had been the bedrock of the Liberal Party joined the old Tory Party based on social conservatism (including dislike of Johnny Foreigner). This was because the Liberals were trying to woo the new working-class electorate with welfare. The New Conservatives responded with the first attempts at immigration controls under the 1905 Aliens Act.

What is now arguably happening is the break up of this grouping, with the social conservatives and working-class Tories shifting to UKIP and the ‘economic Tories’ staying with the Conservatives. But is UKIP a viable new home for these forces? Time will tell.

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By: RynoM http://blogs.reuters.com/nicholas-wapshott/2014/05/13/fighting-for-the-future-of-conservativism/#comment-2229 Thu, 15 May 2014 21:35:12 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/nicholas-wapshott/?p=1348#comment-2229 “…the Tea Party, an angry, populist, grass-roots movement that holds to an anti-big business, anti-Wall Street, anti-immigration, pro-states’ rights agenda.”

Actually many of it’s candidates are funded by big business and only pretend to be anti-big business and anti-wall street.

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By: RynoM http://blogs.reuters.com/nicholas-wapshott/2014/05/13/fighting-for-the-future-of-conservativism/#comment-2228 Thu, 15 May 2014 21:30:02 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/nicholas-wapshott/?p=1348#comment-2228 “…the Tea Party, an angry, populist, grass-roots movement that holds to an anti-big business, anti-Wall Street, anti-immigration, pro-states’ rights agenda.”

Actually many of it’s candidates are funded by big business and only pretend to be anti-big business and anti-wall street.

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By: AlkalineState http://blogs.reuters.com/nicholas-wapshott/2014/05/13/fighting-for-the-future-of-conservativism/#comment-2227 Thu, 15 May 2014 17:32:20 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/nicholas-wapshott/?p=1348#comment-2227 The future of conservatism is shrinkage. Unless they can drop the tea party / religious nonsense. The GOP has lost 60% of the market share in the next 2 generations of voters (ages 18-40). Those voters now choose the Democratic party 2:1 over GOP, due largely to the GOP’s platform supporting discrimination against gay people, immigrants, pot, abortion-seekers…. you name it.

And the old conservatives are dying off daily. Just from a business perspective alone, the future is not good for the GOP. Shrinkage.

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By: Bob9999 http://blogs.reuters.com/nicholas-wapshott/2014/05/13/fighting-for-the-future-of-conservativism/#comment-2226 Thu, 15 May 2014 14:35:43 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/nicholas-wapshott/?p=1348#comment-2226 Frankly, I doubt there really is such a thing as conservatism or liberalism, except as broad characterizations of where interest groups fall within a range of preserving the status quo and changing the status quo. This is muddied, however, because modern “conservatives” such as U.S. tea party groups and the U.K.’s UKIP are about changing that status quo. Historically, political groups that have sought to change the status quo by resetting it to what they view as a more ideal status quo of past days have an inauspicious (some would say dark) track record.

Rather than use labels like “conservative” or “liberal,” it makes more sense to think in terms of interest groups. The key to political success in a democratic system is offering a program that appeals to more than half of the electorate. That is where conservatives in the U.S. have been at a disadvantage — while most people don’t like to pay taxes, most people also want government services. A balance has to be struck.

Trying to define politics in terms of ideology or philosophy is a losing proposition. Ideologies tend to be false, and most people (including politicians) don’t understand philosophy.

People have to accept the fact that political disagreement are nearly always about who gets money. Once that proposition is accepted, we can get past the unsustainable political gridlock, not only in Washington but in state capitals as well.

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