Comments on: What would Russian Afghan help mean for Pakistan? http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2008/03/16/what-would-russian-afghan-help-mean-for-pakistan/ Perspectives on Pakistan Thu, 01 Oct 2015 19:31:05 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: waleed http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2008/03/16/what-would-russian-afghan-help-mean-for-pakistan/comment-page-1/#comment-8294 Sat, 06 Dec 2008 20:20:54 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2008/03/16/what-would-russian-afghan-help-mean-for-pakistan/#comment-8294 the pakistani government has for years had bad relations with afghanistan. The entire western region of pakistan is comprised of ethnic afghans aka pukhtuns. The status of these “Afghan” regions of pakistn have caused much trouble between afghanitan and pakistan, in fact the border war in the 1960’s caused afghanistan to rely more heavily on the soviets as a reponse to the United states supplying pakistan in the conflict. The result of this conflict led to another one, the afghan russian war, in which communist afghanistan and the soviets battled afghan tajik hazara and nooristani rebels who were supplied by the united states via pakistan. The conflict was sparked when afghanistans communist government asked the soviets to help them against pakistani backed rebels. After the soviet pullout ethnic rivalry between afghans (who only comprise 30 % of afghanistans population) tajiks uzbeks and hazaras sparked a civil war which involved all of the following ethnic armies fighting and allying with each other other at one point or another. Pakistan who at last since the time of its innception at last had a neighbor to the north who was in no condition to threaten it. with the intention of seeking strategic depth in the region paksitan with american aid money funded and supplied the taliban with weapons, ammunition, training facilities, intelligence and at times supplementing their ranks with pakistani soldiers. the newly formed and pakistani controlled taliban fought against the former mujihadeen warlords who were busy conducting genocide against each others civilian population. the taliban quickly was joined by afghans who were fighting with tajiks hazaras and uzbeks. The taliban who are ethnic pukhtuns of pakistan were the obvious choice of the afghan rebels who were their ethnic kin across the political borders of the two countries. With Us suport wannig saudi arabia became the chief funder of the taliban. WIth further saudi support the taliban became a well equipped army with helocopters artillary tanks and trained soldiers who had no shortage of funds or supplies. the rest of the ethnic groups allied with each other to combat the pakistnai based group. tajiks uzbeks and hazaras who comprimise 60 % of afghanistan joined forces but with no major suppliers lost major ground to the taliban, holding only 10 % of afghanistan by septerber 11th. With america looking for blood after 9-11 the tajiks uzbeks and hazaras were funded and resupplied at which point they retook afghanistan with american air support. The Us, after 911 has merly taken sides in the ethnic conflict whose seeds in the 1990’s started the taliban. The side they have taken is with nationalistic pukhtun aka afghans who reside in the urban areas, tajiks, uzbaks, hazaras against the taliban who have the popular support of afghans/ pukhtuns in the countryside and pakistan

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By: myra macdonald http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2008/03/16/what-would-russian-afghan-help-mean-for-pakistan/comment-page-1/#comment-100 Thu, 20 Mar 2008 14:00:22 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2008/03/16/what-would-russian-afghan-help-mean-for-pakistan/#comment-100 In response to your question about why it should matter whether Russia opens up supply routes to NATO in Afghanistan, my point was that it could influence the extent to which the United States sees Pakistan as an essentially ally or potential enemy in the future. As outlined in the comment above yours, a shift towards the latter would have huge consequences for people inside Pakistan.

Also as a follow-up recommend this piece on Countercurrents.org: “Pakistan resists capitulating to new U.S. demands.”

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By: ahmad durrani http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2008/03/16/what-would-russian-afghan-help-mean-for-pakistan/comment-page-1/#comment-97 Wed, 19 Mar 2008 11:40:22 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2008/03/16/what-would-russian-afghan-help-mean-for-pakistan/#comment-97 I am a bit struck by all this debate about the geopolitics of the situation in Pakistan and if Russia is going to do its bit or not and if the U.S.is going to crack the whip.

It all seems so disconnected with the ground as does Pakistan’s own, rather laborious process to name a prime minister

the reality to me, admittedly sitting hundreds of miles away in relative calm, is that the state of pakistan is under such an attack and increasingly powerless to stop it, that it seems quite irrelevant who the country’s prime minister will be or whether the russians will pitch in.

I look at each new attack – the Islambad restaurant over the weekend, Lahore twice during that week on top of an attack on a naval college to name only the latest ones – and it seems clear that the extremist forces have infiltrated every level of Pakistan’s establishment, and are rampaging at will even in the major cities where security arrangements are considered most effective.

One after another they have struck at every major establishment and they are targeted attacks. Four FBI officers (and did anyone tell us what is the FBI doing in Islamabad ?) were wounded in the bombing at the restaurant, the Lahore car bombing was directed at the office of a terrorist investigation cell that has been trained by the Americans, perhaps thats why the FBI is there.

And they attacked the naval college, for the first time ever – is that something to do with the fact that the Pakistan navy is doing its bit for the U.S-led operations in the Arabian sea in support of the war in Afghanistan/Pakistan,

I mean we are now in a situation where there seems to be an armed state within a state, which knows exactly who to go after and when, and we are powerless to stop them.

The West worries that its next attacker will come from the Waziristans or any of other troubled northwest regions, but for the 140 million Pakistanis, the bomber has already arrived, living in their midst attacking, and disappearing.

That certainly worries me far more than who Asif Zardari picks to be prime minister, if not himself, or whether NATO will use Russian land or air space for its Afghan operations.

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By: prashant rai http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2008/03/16/what-would-russian-afghan-help-mean-for-pakistan/comment-page-1/#comment-92 Sun, 16 Mar 2008 21:22:52 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2008/03/16/what-would-russian-afghan-help-mean-for-pakistan/#comment-92 The war on terror seems to have entered into a crucial stage now. Sooner or later Pakistan, not as a establishment per se, but from societal point of view is going to come out openly in the war on terror, unfortunately, against the western forces. It is not difficult to perceive the future scenario – the current Afghan turmoil will spill over into western and other parts of Pakistan creating more chaos making difficult the logistics support for the NATO forces through Pakistan. Therefore, in such a context it becomes imperative for U.S. to seek Russia’s support.
With increasing opposition against the war in Afghanistan and Iraq back home, it becomes increasingly difficult and testing for the US govt. to fight a war with no collateral losses. That’s next to impossible. The question is how the geopolitical landscape of the war emerges in the months and years to come. Is it going to spread all over Middle East – Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iran, and some parts of North east Africa? This is not an encouraging scenario for NATO to find themselves in. The war has to be fought fast, aggressively, and decisively in their favour, lest it will be another Vietnam and Russians won’t have much to lose.
Nice article by the way. will keep a watch.

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