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		<title>By: Ali</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2008/04/09/pakistans-china-connection-strong-as-ever/#comment-3272</link>
		<dc:creator>Ali</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 00:54:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To My More Than Friends Chinese Neighbours:

Dear All,

Firstly, through this message, I want to convey my heartiest apologies for the loss of your lives on our soil. We truly deem those lost lives as ours. That unfortunate event, a cowardly act of our common enemy, has indeed embarrassed the entire Pakistani Nation.

Being a Pakistani (thus actually knowing the genuine great feelings and goodwill in the hearts of Pakistanis for the Great Chinese Nation) I must say without a moment of delay that most of the comments above are irrelevant. China-Pak Friendship has always been pain in the A of the helpless failure haters. They would continue to make every conceivable effort to deceive us and we will continue to fail them and burn them each time even more in the hell of their jealousy :o)

Pak-Cheen Dosti Zindabaad!!!!!!!!!!

Love,

Ali

Islamabad</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To My More Than Friends Chinese Neighbours:</p>
<p>Dear All,</p>
<p>Firstly, through this message, I want to convey my heartiest apologies for the loss of your lives on our soil. We truly deem those lost lives as ours. That unfortunate event, a cowardly act of our common enemy, has indeed embarrassed the entire Pakistani Nation.</p>
<p>Being a Pakistani (thus actually knowing the genuine great feelings and goodwill in the hearts of Pakistanis for the Great Chinese Nation) I must say without a moment of delay that most of the comments above are irrelevant. China-Pak Friendship has always been pain in the A of the helpless failure haters. They would continue to make every conceivable effort to deceive us and we will continue to fail them and burn them each time even more in the hell of their jealousy :o)</p>
<p>Pak-Cheen Dosti Zindabaad!!!!!!!!!!</p>
<p>Love,</p>
<p>Ali</p>
<p>Islamabad</p>
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		<title>By: Shantanu Chatterjee</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2008/04/09/pakistans-china-connection-strong-as-ever/#comment-1217</link>
		<dc:creator>Shantanu Chatterjee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 07:51:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pakistanis are simple people they think china is their friend.Well here's a tip in statecraft,there are no permanant friends only permanant interests which is why you should never ever paint yourself into a corner lest the dynamics change.

Your utility to china is a nuisance to harass India but in the next 15-20 years if we become china's #3 trading partner and settle the border dispute and find ourself on the same side of WTO and other issues where would you be?
Have you considered what would happen if the world moves beyond oil?Where would S Arabia be?

Learn from us we are moving closer to the US(and the West) but are still staunch allies of Russia.

If China is such a dear then why isn't it giving you a massive aid package given their forex reserves you know 50-60bn USD their forex reserves are almost 2 trillion.Instead they give you something like 1 bill and in return ask you to sign a FTA which is guarenteed to wreck what little industries you have.

Don't let your hatred of India blind you.We frankly don't like pakis but we love India a lot lot more than we hate Pakistan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pakistanis are simple people they think china is their friend.Well here&#8217;s a tip in statecraft,there are no permanant friends only permanant interests which is why you should never ever paint yourself into a corner lest the dynamics change.</p>
<p>Your utility to china is a nuisance to harass India but in the next 15-20 years if we become china&#8217;s #3 trading partner and settle the border dispute and find ourself on the same side of WTO and other issues where would you be?<br />
Have you considered what would happen if the world moves beyond oil?Where would S Arabia be?</p>
<p>Learn from us we are moving closer to the US(and the West) but are still staunch allies of Russia.</p>
<p>If China is such a dear then why isn&#8217;t it giving you a massive aid package given their forex reserves you know 50-60bn USD their forex reserves are almost 2 trillion.Instead they give you something like 1 bill and in return ask you to sign a FTA which is guarenteed to wreck what little industries you have.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t let your hatred of India blind you.We frankly don&#8217;t like pakis but we love India a lot lot more than we hate Pakistan.</p>
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		<title>By: Kabura</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2008/04/09/pakistans-china-connection-strong-as-ever/#comment-293</link>
		<dc:creator>Kabura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 23:15:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shiming Fan Writes: "(What a joke! Tibet under Dalai lama was a theocracy with 95% of the populations being slaves to all those temples. Should the Chinese restore the King to France after the French revolution and Free France?)

The strange thing is that China helped two destructive states to develop nuclear technology. One of those states happens to be a "theocracy" like Iran. The other one is a mixed of religious extremism and militarism, Pakistan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shiming Fan Writes: &#8220;(What a joke! Tibet under Dalai lama was a theocracy with 95% of the populations being slaves to all those temples. Should the Chinese restore the King to France after the French revolution and Free France?)</p>
<p>The strange thing is that China helped two destructive states to develop nuclear technology. One of those states happens to be a &#8220;theocracy&#8221; like Iran. The other one is a mixed of religious extremism and militarism, Pakistan.</p>
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		<title>By: Shiming Fang</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2008/04/09/pakistans-china-connection-strong-as-ever/#comment-280</link>
		<dc:creator>Shiming Fang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 00:46:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Chinese always treated the Pakistani as the most reliable friends in their troubles.  Throughout the years, when there are waves of anti-Chinese movements in the world, the Pakistani stood by China. 

This friendship had gone deep into the heart of common Chinese.  When there are troubles like the hostage of Chinese workers, the Chinese knew there it was not a reflection of the feeling of Pakistani people.  In fact, those terrorist kidnappers are separatists who wanted independence from Pakistan. 

In Europe, the Chinese used to treat the French people differently. They though many Chinese current leaders, like former Premier Zhou, and Deng Xiaoping, studied in France. Old generation French leaders also gave an understanding to China, willing to listen, and had forged a very good relationship with China. To many Chinese, France represents the warmth of Europe, a friend and an ally. You can guess how shocked they are when they see all those violent actions by the Frenchmen in Paris.  (Though, I have to admit, many of those violent attackers of the Olympic torch may not be Frenchmen.  I noticed the man who attacked the handicapped Chinese sportswomen on the wheelchair was in London a day ago. Professional protesters, I guess. And later he was exposed to live in Salt Lake city.  But the Chinese could not distinguish). 

French report is also totally biased. Simply ignoring the fact that it was the Tibetan mobs who were killing Han Chinese and Muslims on the streets (18 killed, a baby stoned to death with her mother, 5 girls burnt to chars), they used the mob center: Da Liar lama's governments information with no source to describe the Tibetan mobs as peaceful demonstrators. The 1200 shops set on fire by the Tibetan mobs were used evidence of "Chinese crack down"--when the Chinese policemen were not even in town yet.  The arrogant and younger leftists in France, unwilling to even look a bit more into the facts, quickly reacted by accusing China of being a hooligan. The Chinese, on the other side, felt deeply wronged and betrayed by their friends in France, and their emotions are now backfiring into the current anti-France movement.  

A tragedy, is not it?  

Limo liberals like to think they are the archangels of a new world order, but many times, they are like some Red guards, start to think what is good for me, must be good for others, and I am all-seeing, all-liberating, free Tibet! (What a joke!  Tibet under Dalai lama was a theocracy with 95% of the populations being slaves to all those temples.  Should the Chinese restore the King to France after the French revolution and Free France?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Chinese always treated the Pakistani as the most reliable friends in their troubles.  Throughout the years, when there are waves of anti-Chinese movements in the world, the Pakistani stood by China. </p>
<p>This friendship had gone deep into the heart of common Chinese.  When there are troubles like the hostage of Chinese workers, the Chinese knew there it was not a reflection of the feeling of Pakistani people.  In fact, those terrorist kidnappers are separatists who wanted independence from Pakistan. </p>
<p>In Europe, the Chinese used to treat the French people differently. They though many Chinese current leaders, like former Premier Zhou, and Deng Xiaoping, studied in France. Old generation French leaders also gave an understanding to China, willing to listen, and had forged a very good relationship with China. To many Chinese, France represents the warmth of Europe, a friend and an ally. You can guess how shocked they are when they see all those violent actions by the Frenchmen in Paris.  (Though, I have to admit, many of those violent attackers of the Olympic torch may not be Frenchmen.  I noticed the man who attacked the handicapped Chinese sportswomen on the wheelchair was in London a day ago. Professional protesters, I guess. And later he was exposed to live in Salt Lake city.  But the Chinese could not distinguish). </p>
<p>French report is also totally biased. Simply ignoring the fact that it was the Tibetan mobs who were killing Han Chinese and Muslims on the streets (18 killed, a baby stoned to death with her mother, 5 girls burnt to chars), they used the mob center: Da Liar lama&#8217;s governments information with no source to describe the Tibetan mobs as peaceful demonstrators. The 1200 shops set on fire by the Tibetan mobs were used evidence of &#8220;Chinese crack down&#8221;&#8211;when the Chinese policemen were not even in town yet.  The arrogant and younger leftists in France, unwilling to even look a bit more into the facts, quickly reacted by accusing China of being a hooligan. The Chinese, on the other side, felt deeply wronged and betrayed by their friends in France, and their emotions are now backfiring into the current anti-France movement.  </p>
<p>A tragedy, is not it?  </p>
<p>Limo liberals like to think they are the archangels of a new world order, but many times, they are like some Red guards, start to think what is good for me, must be good for others, and I am all-seeing, all-liberating, free Tibet! (What a joke!  Tibet under Dalai lama was a theocracy with 95% of the populations being slaves to all those temples.  Should the Chinese restore the King to France after the French revolution and Free France?)</p>
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		<title>By: Morning Thread: Musharraf Serves Two Masters - The Seminal :: Independent Media and Politics</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2008/04/09/pakistans-china-connection-strong-as-ever/#comment-249</link>
		<dc:creator>Morning Thread: Musharraf Serves Two Masters - The Seminal :: Independent Media and Politics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 13:35:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] like we're not the only ones betting on the wrong horse: Notwithstanding his weakened position at home, Pakistan President Pervez Musharraf this week flies [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] like we&#8217;re not the only ones betting on the wrong horse: Notwithstanding his weakened position at home, Pakistan President Pervez Musharraf this week flies [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Adeel Khan</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2008/04/09/pakistans-china-connection-strong-as-ever/#comment-244</link>
		<dc:creator>Adeel Khan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 01:09:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I, being a Pakistani, am extremely ashamed of Musharraf. The parliament should expel him from the position of President immediately. I don't see why national interests of a rogue communist authoritarian state like China to be more important than the the security of all countries in South and Southeast Asia. Musharraf has allowed China to build a deep sea port in Gwadar and as if this was not enough he is allowing China to build rail and road links into Pakistan under the name of trade.

History is being created as we speak and if we spinelessly bow down in front of a belligernat regime of China, I have no doubt that it would be opening up the way for Chinese invasion into Pakistan for our natural resources. I hope Pakistan does not become the "next Tibet" to be occupied or rather peacefully liberated by China in a few decades.

The best solution is a Free Tibet and a Free Xinjiang. The world should give them a chance and a helping hand to come out extreme oppression at the hands of the Communists. It is possible only with a unified and coordinated attack by the whole world on diplomatic, military, ecnonomic fronts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I, being a Pakistani, am extremely ashamed of Musharraf. The parliament should expel him from the position of President immediately. I don&#8217;t see why national interests of a rogue communist authoritarian state like China to be more important than the the security of all countries in South and Southeast Asia. Musharraf has allowed China to build a deep sea port in Gwadar and as if this was not enough he is allowing China to build rail and road links into Pakistan under the name of trade.</p>
<p>History is being created as we speak and if we spinelessly bow down in front of a belligernat regime of China, I have no doubt that it would be opening up the way for Chinese invasion into Pakistan for our natural resources. I hope Pakistan does not become the &#8220;next Tibet&#8221; to be occupied or rather peacefully liberated by China in a few decades.</p>
<p>The best solution is a Free Tibet and a Free Xinjiang. The world should give them a chance and a helping hand to come out extreme oppression at the hands of the Communists. It is possible only with a unified and coordinated attack by the whole world on diplomatic, military, ecnonomic fronts.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2008/04/09/pakistans-china-connection-strong-as-ever/#comment-238</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 16:30:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kabura writes "Neither Communism nor Islamic fundamentalim (Islamism) are the answer of the day." A close look at Iran reveals that a combination of Totalitarianism and Islamic fundamentalism already exists and does not function well . The Taliban of Afghanistan are another example of this and Talibanism represents the most despicable combination of religion and government seen in the past 100 years . Good riddance to them .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kabura writes &#8220;Neither Communism nor Islamic fundamentalim (Islamism) are the answer of the day.&#8221; A close look at Iran reveals that a combination of Totalitarianism and Islamic fundamentalism already exists and does not function well . The Taliban of Afghanistan are another example of this and Talibanism represents the most despicable combination of religion and government seen in the past 100 years . Good riddance to them .</p>
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		<title>By: Showkat Rather</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2008/04/09/pakistans-china-connection-strong-as-ever/#comment-237</link>
		<dc:creator>Showkat Rather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 10:30:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Mush"harraf so called "American in pakistan" after crackdown on "Jehadis" is doin everything in order to keep relations with other countries like Us and China,i think it is more of personal relations rather than countries relation,musharraf is doin all this,in order to save his presidentail seat,Pakistanians support to Musharraf has been already proved in recent general elections in pakistan,where slain leader Benazir Butthu's party succeeded,now it is time for Mushraff to make good relations with people of pakistan and political parties rather than dependind on other countries, and put an end to the Shameful political imbalances in his Country "PAKISTAN.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Mush&#8221;harraf so called &#8220;American in pakistan&#8221; after crackdown on &#8220;Jehadis&#8221; is doin everything in order to keep relations with other countries like Us and China,i think it is more of personal relations rather than countries relation,musharraf is doin all this,in order to save his presidentail seat,Pakistanians support to Musharraf has been already proved in recent general elections in pakistan,where slain leader Benazir Butthu&#8217;s party succeeded,now it is time for Mushraff to make good relations with people of pakistan and political parties rather than dependind on other countries, and put an end to the Shameful political imbalances in his Country &#8220;PAKISTAN.</p>
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		<title>By: Anderson LH</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2008/04/09/pakistans-china-connection-strong-as-ever/#comment-236</link>
		<dc:creator>Anderson LH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 09:28:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Western powers, US in particular, has always been perceived to be preying on "strategic" countries under some familiar pretexts of democracy, liberation, human rights, WMD, nuclear and since 2001, terrorism, with agendas only known to their respective de facto commander-in-chief.

If these report and analysis are credible, they are indeed sinister to the core.

http://www.german-foreign-policy.com/en/fulltext/56145

http://www.globalpolitician.com/24350-china-tibet-pakistan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Western powers, US in particular, has always been perceived to be preying on &#8220;strategic&#8221; countries under some familiar pretexts of democracy, liberation, human rights, WMD, nuclear and since 2001, terrorism, with agendas only known to their respective de facto commander-in-chief.</p>
<p>If these report and analysis are credible, they are indeed sinister to the core.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.german-foreign-policy.com/en/fulltext/56145" rel="nofollow">http://www.german-foreign-policy.com/en/ fulltext/56145</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.globalpolitician.com/24350-china-tibet-pakistan" rel="nofollow">http://www.globalpolitician.com/24350-ch ina-tibet-pakistan</a></p>
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		<title>By: Kabura</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2008/04/09/pakistans-china-connection-strong-as-ever/#comment-234</link>
		<dc:creator>Kabura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 23:34:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it "Charlie Wilson"? Probably not.

Wilson needs to know that western democracies are the best system of government/governance in the world today. Neither Communism nor Islamic fundamentalim (Islamism) are the answer of the day. Paki-China combination means Islamism and totalitarianism. Please compare western democracies to any system that you are aware of.

To Rick: You are right about U.S. support for Paki military. It is a crazy and counterproductive policy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it &#8220;Charlie Wilson&#8221;? Probably not.</p>
<p>Wilson needs to know that western democracies are the best system of government/governance in the world today. Neither Communism nor Islamic fundamentalim (Islamism) are the answer of the day. Paki-China combination means Islamism and totalitarianism. Please compare western democracies to any system that you are aware of.</p>
<p>To Rick: You are right about U.S. support for Paki military. It is a crazy and counterproductive policy.</p>
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