Comments on: How Islamicised is the Pakistan army? http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2008/04/23/how-islamicised-is-the-pakistan-army/ Perspectives on Pakistan Thu, 01 Oct 2015 19:31:05 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: donna cerca uomo Roma http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2008/04/23/how-islamicised-is-the-pakistan-army/comment-page-1/#comment-54074 Sun, 12 Oct 2014 21:16:30 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2008/04/23/how-islamicised-is-the-pakistan-army/#comment-54074 Great website you have here but I was curious if you knew of any message boards that cover the same topics discussed in this article? I’d really love to be a part of online community where I can get feedback from other knowledgeable individuals that share the same interest. If you have any suggestions, please let me know. Thanks a lot!

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By: Arif Rafiq http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2008/04/23/how-islamicised-is-the-pakistan-army/comment-page-1/#comment-315 Fri, 25 Apr 2008 15:01:49 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2008/04/23/how-islamicised-is-the-pakistan-army/#comment-315 I didn’t write that a penchant for liquor helped Musharraf with his coup. I wrote that the more religious officers helped him, despite his more “penchant for liquor.”

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By: beecee http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2008/04/23/how-islamicised-is-the-pakistan-army/comment-page-1/#comment-313 Thu, 24 Apr 2008 21:38:20 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2008/04/23/how-islamicised-is-the-pakistan-army/#comment-313 I have to disagree with your correspondent Mr Syed about the composition of the 200+ soldiers taken prisoner in Waziristan. About half were regular army. And all officers of the Frontier Corps are regulars, seconded from the army.

This was acknowleged somewhat later by President Musharraf who was then Army Chief. Further, I know about the parents of one of the army officers, via a mutual friend. They were distraught. No wonder. He survived, thanks be; but three captive soldiers of a different Islamic persuasion to their captors were murdered.

Let’s try not to deny fact. Some things may be unpalatable. But we won’t change reality by wishful thinking.

And I don’t know how a “penchant for liquor” helped President Musharraf “with his coup”, as Mr Arif Rafaq writes. How on earth could tolerance for Scotch (or whatever) possibly assist a coup? (Remember that the attempted coup in Russia in 1991 failed mainly because all the generals were drunk.) And Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto was far from being an abstainer from alcohol, a family inclination that may have moved sideways to the connections of his late (distinguished and much lamented) daughter.

It is most unfortunate that US troops in Afghanistan conducted an illegal (in International Law) incursion into the Bajaur Agency of Pakistan on 23 April, killing a soldier of the Frontier Corps.

This will hardly make the tribes in FATA – or any other Pakistani – supportive of America. And it will reinforce the widely-held belief in Pakistan that Bush Washington cares nothing for stability in the country. It is this type of idiot ignorant aggression that fuels extremism.

It takes one aggression to feed another.

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By: Syed http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2008/04/23/how-islamicised-is-the-pakistan-army/comment-page-1/#comment-310 Thu, 24 Apr 2008 09:53:07 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2008/04/23/how-islamicised-is-the-pakistan-army/#comment-310 The 200 “soldiers” who surrendered in Waziristan belonged to the Frontier Corp, not the Army. The Frontier Corp is part of the Interior Ministry, which is responsible for law enforcement. The FC is basically a paramilitary police force, and its men are Pashtun tribesmen recruited from the frontier tribal areas. Its culture and standards are very different from that of the Pakistani Army.

It’s surprising that the writer apparently did not know this basic fact.

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By: Arif Rafiq http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2008/04/23/how-islamicised-is-the-pakistan-army/comment-page-1/#comment-305 Thu, 24 Apr 2008 00:14:02 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2008/04/23/how-islamicised-is-the-pakistan-army/#comment-305 I guess the answer is somewhere in the middle. On the whole, I think the constituents of the army view Islam positively, but for a variety of reasons that are non-exclusive (e.g. piety, ideology, utility, an Islam-infused nationalism). This is in contrast to the Turkish Army, which — like many in the Pakistani army — sees itself as the ‘guardians of the nation’, but is fairly hostile toward Islam.

There have been purges of Islamists in the army since 9/11. Some of these officers were friends of Pervez Musharraf, whose penchant for liquor is well known, and helped him with his coup.

So in the end, it shows that the army isn’t necessarily divided on lines of religiosity. Islam, in its varying colors, is an important factor, but only one of many.

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By: Pak1stan http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2008/04/23/how-islamicised-is-the-pakistan-army/comment-page-1/#comment-304 Wed, 23 Apr 2008 22:10:26 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2008/04/23/how-islamicised-is-the-pakistan-army/#comment-304 The writer’s information regarding Pakistan Army giving up without firing a single shot is not correct. Writer, here, fails to understand the difference between, Army, Para Military forces and militia.

One has to understand Pakistan Army will never go and start shooting blindly at its fellow citizens that it took oath to protect. The only people it needs to shoot and kill are the foreigner’s. Who do not by means represent Muslims or Pakistanis.

if any one with experience of Living among these great people of FATA for at least 18 years and in west, will come to understand that fight against terrorism needs to be fought as per the Three Prong Policy already given by H.E President Pervez Musharraf.

Leaving Politics aside, its only the will of the people, no force which will stop any of these suicide attacks.

The Write also fails to understand, Pakistan is called, Islamic Republic of Pakistan, Every soldier in Pakistan army, if Muslim is islamicised by faith, if not muslim than they are Pakistanised. Even the Members of National and Provincial Assemblies, Ministers, PM, President Muslims or Non Muslim, when take Oath, confirms to protect Pakistan’s Islamic Ideology on which it was formed.

W.r.t to authors comments regarding Pakistan Army regarding giving up without one shot are totally based on misinformation. The group of 200 People who gave up , were Frontier constabulary’s which is some where between police and militia made up local people to petrol the area runned by maliks (local heads) who support government. The only reason these heavily out numbered gave up, was, that they couldn’t shoot their own people.

My Question here is, when one can talk and solve problems why to shoot and kill. I would also like to take the liberty here to say, that the author needs to Learn about Islam as much as these uneducated, brain washed terrorists needs to learn.

Just to add a little information, the weapons should be picked up against -Al Qaida (meaning organization) not some Taliban (meaning student). Where Islam dose not allow any one, to attack, harass or kill any one, it believe that killing one innocent person means killing the whole humanity.

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By: John http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2008/04/23/how-islamicised-is-the-pakistan-army/comment-page-1/#comment-303 Wed, 23 Apr 2008 21:46:43 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2008/04/23/how-islamicised-is-the-pakistan-army/#comment-303 I would be very careful in making assumptions about the Pakistani Army based on surrenders by the Frontier Corps. That said, I agree that the degree of ‘Islamicization’ of the Army is a fascinating question, and one with real significance. Good article.

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By: ClementW http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2008/04/23/how-islamicised-is-the-pakistan-army/comment-page-1/#comment-299 Wed, 23 Apr 2008 13:06:52 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2008/04/23/how-islamicised-is-the-pakistan-army/#comment-299 I have been fascinated by the history of this region for atleast the past 40 years. I discovered that Pakistan is the only nation in the world where the religion of Islam is the source of the primary rights of the people of Pakistan with the added fluff of western democratic ideals thrown in only tobe used against the opponents of the moment.

Unlike the western view of the predominant western religion of Christianity as being a voluntary faith, almost every other religion is really a way of life for its adherents. It naturally follows that other ways of life are “wrong” and the people of other faiths are “infidels”. When one considers this way of life, it is not difficult to see the whys and wherefores of the constant underlying animosity that exists, even between the minimally different denominations of the same faiths. If we in the west are honest, we are suffering from this very same problem except that we have become more apathetic about our faith and have found the religion of “secularism”.

It would be much easier to understand antipathy towards us in the west by others once we realize that this is the way things are and go on to try to solve the problems arising from this situation which has been in existence since the dawn of human origin.

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