Kashmir’s lost generation

August 28, 2008

Kashmiri children wait for gunbattle to end (file photo)/Fayaz KabliiOne of the more troublesome aspects of the latest protests in Kashmir, among the biggest since a separatist revolt erupted in 1989, is the impact on the younger generation.

In an op-ed in the New York Times, Indian writer Pankaj Mishra writes that India’s attempt to crush the revolt in 1989 and 1990 ended up provoking many young Kashmiris to take to arms and embrace radical Islam. 

“A new generation of politicized Kashmiris has now risen; the world is again likely to ignore them – until some of them turn into terrorists with Qaeda links,” he writes.  Calling on India to take some first steps to ease the situation by cutting the number of troops in the Kashmir Valley and allowing Kashmiris to trade freely across the Line of Control – the military demarcation line which divides the former kingdom of Jammu and Kashmir between India and Pakistan – he says the past record does not inspire much hope.

“But a brutal suppression of the nonviolent protests will continue to radicalize a new generation of Muslims and engender a fresh cycle of violence, rendering Kashmir even more dangerous – and not just to South Asia this time,” he says.

It would be wrong to overstate the role of radical Islam in the revolt – the Kashmir Valley is primarily Sufi and the hardline brand of Wahhabi/Deobandi Islam followed by al Qaeda and the Taliban has never really managed to take root there.

And nor would it be correct to hold India alone responsible — many Pakistanis will admit privately that Pakistan played its own role in encouraging the separatist revolt, in part to use as a pawn against its much bigger neighbour.

But no amount of finger-pointing or bitter wrangling over history can take away from the fact that children who were born after the revolt erupted and grew up in violence, are now turning into teenagers as the troubles flare anew. What hope for them?

As the comments on my last post on Kashmir  showed, the Kashmir question is one that still stirs powerful and divisive emotions.

There is no “quick fix” solution. The former kingdom of Jammu and Kashmir, promised a plebiscite after partition in 1947, is an intricate mosaic of different ethnic, national and religious identities, now held in parts by India, Pakistan and China, and caught between the strategic interests of all three.

Woman holding a baby protesting in Srinagar/Fayaz KabliIt’s also hard also to see how India and Pakistan can now muster the political will to seek a solution on Kashmir when they failed to do so in the space that opened up after they agreed a ceasefire on the Line of Control at the end of 2003. In Delhi, the Congress-led government faces elections due by May next year, and would be vulnerable to accusations by the Hindu right of betraying India were it to give too much ground. Pakistan is stumbling through a chaotic transition to civilian government, whose leaders will be watched carefully by the powerful Pakistan Army for any signs of weakness in dealing with India.

But then again, what is the price of doing nothing? Children born when the Kashmir revolt erupted will be 20 next year. What will they tell their children? What legacy will they hand on to the next generation?

   

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India & the real India
WE, THE PEOPLE OF INDIA, solemnly resolve to constitute India into a SOVEREIGN SOCIALIST SECULAR DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC and to secure to all its citizens:
JUSTICE, social, economic and political
LIBERTY of thought, expression, belief, faith and worship;
EQUALITY of status and of opportunity; and to promote among them all
FRATERNITY assuring the dignity of the individual and the unity and integrity of the Nation;

The more I read of the foundations of India, the more despicable I find them. A mere reading in between the above lines confirms that each word of this document worshipped as the constitution of the nation is FALSE , is PRETENTIOUS & has feel good value for the inhabitants of India- to the extent of being DELUSIONAL .

Pick each one by one & you will know why I think the way I do. Let’s analyse each of these carefully chosen words in the preamble of India’s constitution & check whether they hold any significance in contemporary India.

SOVEREIGN: In spite of all costs it has paid, India grapples with 17 insurgencies today. From the north (Kashmir) to the south (Tamil militia) .From the centre of India (Naxalites) to the Northeast (Manipur, Nagaland, Arunachal) India juggles with people’s discontent wherever it pays a deaf ear to the wishes of people. Talking about sovereignty seems all but preposterous.

SOCIALIST: The divide between rich & poor is evident even for the visually challenged to see. 26% of India lives below the poverty line, many don’t ve food to eat , clothes to wear , shelters to save themselves. Healthcare, sanitation, pure drinking water are a luxury most in India cant afford. So talking about Indian socialism is dreaming whilst awake.

SECULAR: Some of episodes that shine as marvels of Indian secularism include , Godhra , Babri Masjid , Sikh riots of 1984 , Graham Stain roasted alive , Nuns raped & roasted for dinner , marginalisation of Muslims in all spheres of activity ( I don’t say it ,Justice Rajinder Sacchar committee says it ) . And I missed out on a million other examples for want of time.

DEMOCRATIC: Where the qualification for being a politician is to be a rapist or a murderer or a dacoit of public money or a hooligan, that my dear is the democracy of India.

REPUBLIC: The very definition of which fails in India, because the final power is not with the common man but the miscreants who rule the poor creature.

JUSTICE, LIBERTY, EQUALITY & FRATERNITY: After having been witness to what is happening in today’s India ,not even Gandhi could lay claim on these high principles. Iam afraid in contemporary India, he would have certainly committed suicide considering the sensitive soul that he was. And of course that’s if he wasn’t killed by a right wing Hindu fundamentalist.

Iam certain that upon truthful introspection by an Indian , he could sum up to say :
Harr shaakh pe ullu baitha hai,
Anjaamey gulistaan kya hoga . . .
Courtsy: kashmir-burning.blogspot.com
Posted by Doctors of Kashmir at 8/27/2008 09:55:00 PM

Posted by kashmiri | Report as abusive

The state of Jammu and Kashmir is a disputed territory between in India and Pakistan. The 1948 UN resolutions calling for a plebiscite for the people of Kashmir to decide the accesion of the state to Pakistan or India are still in place. India has denied the rights to Kashmiri people for more than six decades, generations of Kashmiris have come and gone, but not much have changed for them. The time for Azaadi is now, if the people of Kosovo and East Timor can win freedom, why not Kashmir. If the international community advocates for the rights of Tibet, why do they get forget Kashmir. The coming decade belongs to Kashmir, independence is their destiny. No one can stand between them and independence, no tank, no gun, no fence. The tide will sweep everything in its way. The protests will keep growing bigger and bigger, till the shouts of AZAADI will start reaching the Lok Sabbha in New Delhi.

Posted by UMPK | Report as abusive

UMPK if u r so concerned about getting Azadi first ask all ur Kashmiri shops to wind up their business in all the tourists destinations of India.Because of the secular nature of India and its people all Kashmiri emporium operate freely in places like Goa and Kerala where the shopowners shamlessly run behind foreigners while ignoring the local tourists.

Posted by latha rajamani | Report as abusive

umpk first there will be azadi is balochistan,the balochis will declare azadi from a bankrupt corrupt exploitative punjabi republic of pakistan who is killing balochis and taking away all their natural resources without compensation(that’s 50% of your territory) then comes the pashtuns and the sindhi/mqm independence pakistan will be landlocked country.
balochistan zindabad!

Posted by Shantanu Chatterjee | Report as abusive

Myra,

I think you have an agenda. Your reports are biased at best. I dont understand what is your real motive.

1/ Pankaj Sharma: Lets see how authentic is this source and how much his opinion counts: In 2002 when your president visited India there were 8 innocent killed. This Pankaj Sharma was crying hoarse that it was Indian agencies trying to bring bad name to people across the border and killed their own people. Later it was proven beyond doubt that Lashkar e Toiba was behind it. This outfit is banned by US Government. So I think your Pankaj Sharma doesnt even know what goes on his own country. How dumb a person? Well your article is based on the opinion of such a sane person.

This to the guy who signs of as “Kashmiri” — bol to kya Pakistan sahi hai. Ya phir terey woh log sahein hain jo ki innocent logon ko martey hain. Woh log sahi hain jinhoney Kashmir sey non muslims ko mar kar bhaga diya?
Jammu key log and Ladakh key logon ko kya bolta hai tu? Woh to terey saath nahin hain. Kyun??? Tera leader Gilani bolta hai ki usko India sey alag hona hai kyunki usko Islamic rule chaiyey.

The above translates like this : So tell me is Pakistan right? Or your those people are right those who killed non muslims innocent people in Kashmir and did ethenic cleansing. People of Ladakh and Jammu are not with you. Why?? Your leader Gilani says the reason he wants to get seperated from India is that he wants islamic rule in Kashmir.

Well guys forget your evil designs. No one is going to give you an inch of land and by killing innocent people you are hurting your own self.

Myra: I think you are the worst I have seen in journalism. Why? You suggest Indian government to open our borders with Pakistan? Well you better take some lessons on India. Shall we open our borders so that Pakistani ISI agents can blow us up. Like what they did in our Parliament. Like what they did in Bombay blasts. Like what they did in Kabul Embassy.

Myra cant you see its islamic terrorism Indian goverment and its innocent people are fighting. I never saw your article on millions of Kashmiri Hindus who were displaced by these Kashmiri terrorists. Or about those innocent Non Muslims who were killed in thousands in cold blood by these so called “Freedom Fighters” of yours.

So stop one sided and biased journalism and bring out the true picture.

Posted by Abhishek Kumar | Report as abusive

Hey moderator I know you wont publish my comments. But if you dont do then its all biased opinion and you also have some reasons for not doing so

Posted by Abhishek Kumar | Report as abusive

Hey Myra, why do you all the time pick some foolish comments from insane people who are in limelight for wrong reasons ?? Do you get money for number of comments people leave in here ?? I bet if you would have earned more if you had only listened to about 20 odd people living in Srinagar who were interviewd in thier homes by Times Now and how badly all those people wanted to be part of India and were begging govt of India to save them from foolish seperatist politics. Not only were they sad but i believe they were the people who sitting in thier homes because of curfew in the area for days together doing nothing but thinking about consequences if they were part of pakistan or stay as a part of India.
Anyways not only your articles but many articles in Reuters is biased and this agency takes all chances and makes irrelavent references to show people and govt of India down. AM abandaning this site.I request other users also to do so.if this ever show up for others to use.

Posted by Om | Report as abusive

On the comments above:
I’m not entirely clear where the bias lies in saying that “children who were born after the revolt erupted and grew up in violence, are now turning into teenagers” or indeed in saying that “children born when the Kashmir revolt erupted will be 20 next year”. Those are statements of fact.

Om, I didn’t see the Times Now programme. But as a journalist I have always tried to understand the J&K issue as a whole from as many different angles as possible, by talking to people and visiting places which included not just Delhi, Islamabad and Rawalpindi, but also Jammu, Srinagar, Kargil, Leh, Siachen base camp, Skardu, Gyari (and you can also throw in Manipur if you want the north-east perspective). That is why I wrote that there is no quick-fix solution.

Perhaps rather than shooting the messenger and hiding behind accusations of bias, it would be more constructive to offer solutions?

Posted by Myra MacDonald | Report as abusive

Pankaj Mishra is an ignoramus. It’s a typical Western trait to find a recognizable person in India and use he or she to comment on things they know nothing about. Few years ago, Western media found Arundhati Roy, now it’s some aspiring writer called Mishra’s turn to surmise about the future of Kashmiri children.
And, perhaps Myra you need to read, if not books, at least newspapers, that have reported how the millions of Kasmiri Hindus have been hounded out of Srinagar valley by your sufi islamists.
Do you know about Article 370 that gives Jammu and Kashmir a special status? or how much have successive Central governments have done to promote development in the state, even at the cost of alienating other states.
If anybody thinks Kashmir is the unfinished agenda of partition, then India needs to have a total transfer of Muslim population, the task left incomplete in 1947.

Posted by John | Report as abusive

Solution: Where is the solution if a community is hell bent on killing innocent people?

Where is the solution when a community is hell bent on asking islamic rule in a free democratic country?

Where is the solution when one side is making the life of non muslims hell and driving them out?

Well to have soultion first world would have to realize the real motive behind all this. Is this islamic terrorism or is it demand of some peaceful society.

As for Myra: You are not the most biased person I have seen but yeah ignorent yes for sure. Why ignorent? Well you talk high and loud and dont talk about the victims of this millitancy and terrorism. What about millions of religious minorities who were displaced?

You know you are biased and still say that you just stated the facts. Wow!!! Your motive behind stating Mr Pankaj and telling the kids of kashmir took up arms and are embracing radicle Islam is due to Indian Government “crushing” the revolt? Is this not putting a perspective to the issue. Or trying to paint the picture in your own colors. Well it is. Your motives are outright clear. You want to bring bad light to India and its security forces and its 1 billion hard working peace loving citizens. A democratic nation in which everyone is equal. A country in which weaker sections of the society are protected by granting them special previliges. A country which is a Hindu majority but yet a Sikh Prime Minister, The last President was a muslim, The leader of ruling party is a Christian. Tell me in how many countries do you see this? Well I dont want to put any perspective but yes I am sorry to see the esteemed papers like reuters publish such biased opinion as yours. Why to provide forum to only one feeling or opinion and not bring the other side of the story. I am sorry for you Myra now that you realize that all those visits to India were futile and you didnt even get any true picture of things. If only by visiting someone knows about the issues then I think I must be a one stop shop for matters related to world affairs due to all the travelling I have done.

Well Myra not stop your biased publishing or else people will start taking you as nothing more then a mouth piece of some agency who just wants to paint picture in their own colors.

This time the issue brought a different angle to the whole story. In latest Amarnath row the non muslims openly came out in protest through out Jammu and other parts of Kashmir as they are fedup of the muslim terrorist organizations and spoke for themselves. Well did you cover them. No. Why? Answer this.

What do you propose for the Jammu and Ladakh people? So its amazing they are also from the same region and they dont want your “freedom” from India — as per you the worst country?

Posted by Abhishek Kumar | Report as abusive

This is the post by UMPK from your own article on Pakistan — or rather by another writer on his being of Pakistani – British descent.:

So this proves beyond doubt the Paki connection in Indian affairs. Hey Paki stay out of Indian things and stop posing your self as an Indian. Well I caught you didnt I. What does this UPMK stands for — some of your jehadi outfit???

Pakistan is alive with possibilities, this country and its people has got immense potential. It is again a question of thinking what Pakistan has given me or what did I give to Pakistan. I think Pakistan gave me an identity, and pretty much everything I have today. It is my turn to repay this country. Pakistan may have problems like any other country, still this is our homeland and I love Pakistan.

- Posted by UMPK

Posted by Abhishek Kumar | Report as abusive

Can those of you posting comments with such certainty about J&K say whether you have actually been there?

And to those of you who asked, yes, I do know about the Pandits – ref my previous comment above, you don’t go to Jammu without talking to Kashmiri Hindus. (Though actually I went to Jammu to interview Bana Singh, awarded the Param Vir Chakra for bravery on Siachen, so Abhishek, don’t start accusing me of deliberately running down Indian security forces until you have read my book on Siachen.)

John, if you don’t agree with Pankaj Mishra, read my last post on Kashmir: (http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2008/ 08/17/breaking-the-taboo-indian-op-eds-s uggest-kashmir-plebiscite/), quoting Vir Sanghvi in the Hindustan Times and Swaminathan Aiyar in the Times of India. Neither can be described as unknowns, or outside of the mainstream.

And yes, of course I know about Article 370 and development aid. For those of you who think this post doesn’t cover all the elements you would have liked, I’m not aiming to write a thesis on J&K. (By the way, I have dozens and dozens of books on J&K, written by people of different nationalities, from about the 1820s to the present day, and as I have said before, will happily discuss its history with anyone.)

That was not the point of this post. It’s not my job as a journalist to prescribe answers. It’s my job to raise questions, to try to turn over every stone, and to do my best to understand everything from as many different points of view as possible.

And here I posed a simple question. Regardless of anything else, the rights and wrongs of history or the present day, what does it mean to be a child growing up in the Kashmir Valley in the midst of all that violence?

Posted by Myra MacDonald | Report as abusive

Myra,
Thanks for a generic response. By the way, have you read Balraj Madhok’s books on India and Kashmir? or books by Sita Ram Goel or Arun Shourie. Please read works of real experts, instead of reading pamphleteers who pose as scholars.
The conditions for plebiscite have been changed. The Hindus have been driven out and Pakistan has handed a chunk of Indian territory to Chinese.
Your heart bleeds of Muslim Kashmiri kids? But what about Hindu children who have been enslaved by an anglicised elite, supported by ignorant and often pro-Christian media?
I wonder why it never raises a question:Why can’t India be a secular Hindu Republic? In Britain, blashphemy laws only cover Christianity, and in the U.S., Christian agencies oversee social work.
Myra, India is secular because Hindus are in a majority. If you want to ask the right questions as a reporter, here is a sample for you.
1.How come basic education isn’t a fundamental right in India? Providing educatioin in high schools is so expensive for ordinary people, but college education is almost free. Nobody, not even the Marxist leaders in Kerala and West Bengal, are concerned about the knowledge gap.
2. Why is that Muslims continue to have Shariyat law for justifying marrying four times, but prefer to be governed by Indian Penal Code for criminal offenses. Do they want to outnumber Hindus??
3. How come never see a story about politicians continuing to groom their own progeny for careers in politics?
4. Also, we never hear about the religious imperialism fostered by anti-national missionaries, who want to play the number game at the behest of their political masters abroad.
Do you have to guts to write about these issues, Myra? or you prefer to choose topics handed over to you by your handlers in New Delhi.

Posted by John | Report as abusive

Myra,

thanx for the prolific article…

john, abhishek: u guys look biased and hateful…

Myra: we expect more such truth revealing articles from ur side for our enlightment..

John: ur questions raised to Myra, sounds too immature and childish, to worth attention for a pensive journalist like Myra.

I think the greatest obstacle for India today are the right wing groups who are brainwashing and misguiding the people against a particular religious group or people. Beaware of such dirty politics which is degrading the political stability of india drastically, and spreading hate from their biased controlled media.

Posted by prince of angels | Report as abusive

Kashmir thought as a dispute between india nad pakistan is not true. Both the countries are unncessarliy and illegaly trying to put this Country into their control.
in the indian occupied Kashmir during the past two months we have seen worst acts of state terrorism. Amrnath land row and aftermath opens the hoax claims of Govt. of India that Kashmir is integral part of india. In Kashmir the Kashmiris are bieng killed without any fear by the Indian troops. firing and tear gas shelling on peaceful protestors in kashmir is known to every body. media showing the ugly face of indian democracy by covering such incidents was banned.
Amrnath land row was over, it was now the renisance of freedom movement. india wants to sabotage it which the kashmiris will never allow to happen.
This freedom movement will go on till achieved.
SALAM KASHMIR

Posted by Afzal | Report as abusive

Narai Takbeer
Allahu AKbar
We Want Freedom
Hum Kya Chahte Azadi

Posted by Afzal | Report as abusive

These angry comments give me headache. Why is it so difficult for people in South Asia to leave each other alone for God’s sake?

Doctors of Kashmir- Yes, friends, the Constitution of India does sound very eloquent, democratic and liberating but not because it was intended to be so but because it was copy pasted from all of Western World’s constitutions and civil laws: USA (liberty stuff), Ireland (I think they copied the idea of preamble from there, I’m not sure), UK (facade of parliamentary system) and many others.

The best solution that I can think of may sound contradictory but it may work. India, Nepal, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka should form a lose confederation (not country) granting autonomy to different regions. This way they won’t have to spend billions to upkeep military and police that torture grieved people.

Why cant’s South Asia (which has strong historical, cultural connection be a democratic group like Swtizerland or EU?

But guess what? That would be possible only if India, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka and Pakistan could at least live up to their current copy pasted constitutions and laws.

I know this comment will also be ignored or even attacked by hate mongers. There can be no dialog when everyone is shouting and swearing.

Posted by Rajiv | Report as abusive

I like most of the Kashmiries am not able to understand why some of the people in India are against solution to Kashmir Issue. They must read about Kashmir history before putting on such comments. Kashmiris are not Anti-Indian or Pro-Pakistani; however one reality is that Kashmir remains divided between India, Pakistan and China. And this division is not on the basis of culture or religion or alike, it is based on the position of soliders at the cesefire, which has never been acceptable to us. No society will like to be divided in parts and so do we. It has been about 60 years that these countries have kept us divided and the unification movement will not end until we get united. I request to Indian brothers to read about Kashmir issue before putting on a comment.
Kashmiris are not Terrorists we are religious and secular. We demand unification of all parts of Kashmir and want to have a friendly relationship with both India and Pakistan.

Posted by Tariq Banday | Report as abusive

Oh, I thought I would post these lyrics which is the best I can think about this issue and not get into unnecessary fights with either Pro Muslim/Pakistani or pro Indian/Hindu lobby. That’s why I am not posting my email or website address in here.

In order to stop this seething hatred and killing you don’t have to look for liberal/ Western texts and constitutions. You may as well pray to your God or gods and you will know how to treat your fellow human beings. Just lighten up, open your eyes and smell the coffee (or tea!)

Leave me out of it and listen to the words of a modern prophet, Bob Dylan :-)

Blowin’ In The Wind

How many roads must a man walk down
Before you call him a man?
Yes, ‘n’ how many seas must a white dove sail
Before she sleeps in the sand?
Yes, ‘n’ how many times must the cannon balls fly
Before they’re forever banned?
The answer, my friend, is blowin’ in the wind,
The answer is blowin’ in the wind.

How many times must a man look up
Before he can see the sky?
Yes, ‘n’ how many ears must one man have
Before he can hear people cry?
Yes, ‘n’ how many deaths will it take till he knows
That too many people have died?
The answer, my friend, is blowin’ in the wind,
The answer is blowin’ in the wind.

How many years can a mountain exist
Before it’s washed to the sea?
Yes, ‘n’ how many years can some people exist
Before they’re allowed to be free?
Yes, ‘n’ how many times can a man turn his head,
Pretending he just doesn’t see?
The answer, my friend, is blowin’ in the wind,
The answer is blowin’ in the wind.

Posted by Rajiv | Report as abusive

Thank you for the response Myra !!
You are so right, we should look things in all possible different views.
Reading so many articles in Reuters on the Kashmir issue, it some times makes me happy when I read things like “Hindu majority India”, “kashmir the only Muslim majority state”. I had oftern felt sad when many of my western firends thought that India was a Islamic country now this is bound to change now many more common people around the world who read this articles will know Inida is a Hindu majority country.Muslims and Islam has often been in global limelight for wrong reasons like terrorism and I was feeling Hindus were loosing identity in the global platform. Now everyone will know Hindus also exist who like Christians, jews, Buddists,sikh, Chineese oppose Islamic elements.

Posted by Om | Report as abusive

Dear Myra
I really appreciate the way Mr. Mayr has put forward the Kashmir case but unfortunately Indian people are too much ignorant they know very little about history. Of course they are emerging power but they are No. 1 nation in poverty even behind Africa as per recent Indian media reports. From recent polls which was published in TOI the question was posed, Should India keep Kashmir even though against wishes of Kashmiri people? And response was amazing 78% voted yes so what does it mean, kill oh sorry i should use word bombard or even worst to make Kashmir integral part of India which is day dreaming we Kashmiris are fighting & we will fight till Indian brutal force is out of Kashmir.
To refresh Indian people knoweldge if you want to see the real secularism come to Kashmir where not even single Yatri was touched while Amarnath row was going on but inspite of this what Kashmir got they were economically triangulated & when they protested Indian brutal force fired on them at point blank range, media was totally banned, Kashmiri leaders were put behind bars with all draconian laws imposed on them. Kashmir was put under curfew round the clock for 9 days to save democratic face of India. the very recent look of Indian democracy was visible during Amarnath crisis, 45 innocent Kashmiri were martyred while they were making peaceful march & in Jammu few were injured during violent protest which was evident from economical blocked & burnt wound of Kashmiri’s travelling through Jammu. And let me also tell you indians Kashmiri pandits were not drawn out of Kashmir by any Kashmiri muslim but it was Indian governer Jagmohan who advised them to flew to secure their children future.
So all those who posed finger on Mayr should come to Kashmir & see the real picture of Indian so called democracy if you dear to see the truth. Well you Indians check your print media you will come to know how much India is democratic. To all you Indians democracy mean by the people, for the people but in case of Kashmir the meaning is different just change word people by Indian government.
We will achive our goal by the grace of Allah who is mighter of mightest. So what India have Nuclear bomb, USA & Israel friend but we belive in Allah who is one & alone Mighter & powerful.

Posted by zubairulamin | Report as abusive

I understand the frustrations of Indians – both from Kashmir and not from Kashmir (well maybe Kashmiris don’t consider themselves Indians)
However I completely disagree with the author’s suggestion on plebiscite as she has proposed. I agree that in 1947, J&K was promised a plebiscite and yes, it should be held. But it should not be held only in Indian Kashmir. If there has to be a fair judgement, both India and Pakistan should withdraw from their respective regions and the plebiscite should be held in the whole of Kashmir.
Pakistan has to dismantle the terrorist camps in PoK and allow peace a chance before any such step is taken (there is ample evidence of PoK based militants operating in India, hope the author and the “freedom-fighters” admit it)
On the point about a new generation of youth turning into terrorists, let me remind the readers that people in India too have been killed in thousands in the numerous bomb blasts over the past two decades. There is a lot of frustration among Indians as well – in spite of pumping billions of rupees in Kashmir, what we always get back is constant acquisitions and terror in our own cities. I don’t deny there have been excesses but the media should also acknowledge what deep shit Kashmir’s economy would be in without India.
Also, I do accept we have not been always right on plebiscite issue but why is no one asking Pakistan to take responsibility as well. If there has to be a plebiscite, it has to happen in the whole of Kashmir when both India and Pakistan withdraw from their respective regions. Can Pakistan guarantee that it will not play dirty in future and start claiming parts of Punjab, Rajasthan or other bordering states?
If the US & UK feel threatened, they are very well allowed to go and bomb Afghanistan and Iraq. Am not saying we should do the same but at least the world has to be fair in its judgement before criticising a nation.
As far as Kashmiris are concerned, they are very well welcome to opt for ‘freedom’ if they wish, we will atleast save billions and stop the bombs. But I am sure they know if they do so, economically they are doomed. See the below link for a brilliant article by Gurcharan Das on Kashmiri choice
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Opini on/Columnists/Gurcharan_Das/Kashmiri_cho ice/articleshow/3397892.cms

Posted by Govind | Report as abusive

zZubairulamin: I think we can safely assume that ”Mr. Mayr” is a girl. So it is ok to address her as Ms. Myra. ;-)

Posted by Rajiv | Report as abusive

Myra,

I think this issue is a lot more complicated than just letting Kashmir be free or not.
Firstly, let us realize that we are dealing with the state of Jammu and Kashmir and not just Kashmir.

The people of Jammu and Ladakh (Hindu, Muslim and Buddhist) have no desire for azadi or joining Pakistan and have shown no such tendency in the past.

So-called “Azad Kashmir” is neither Azad nor Kashmir. It is completely controlled by the Pakistani establishment and it is illegal according to the Azad Kashmir constitution to speak against Pakistani rule.
It is not really Kashmir either as only a handful of the population is ethnic Kashmiri. Most people there are Punjabis and Pathans and do not speak Kashmiri at all.

The Northern Areas of Pakistan are not really “Kashmir” either.

That leaves just the Kashmir Valley.
Can the valley really survive as an independent state? You yourself quoted Vir Sanghvi’s column in which he mentions the billions of dollars that India showers upon Kashmir just to maintain some sort of stability.

I suggest the following solution (let me know what you think) :

1) Separate Jammu and Ladakh from the Valley. The people of Jammu and Ladakh feel alienated by the Kashmiris and would prefer to be an integral part of India without having things like Article 370 etc imposed upon them.
Make Jammu and Ladakh a separate state.

2) Make the Kashmir valley more autonomous. Have democracy at the grass roots like in the rest of India by setting up panchayats in villages rather than the Srinagar having to meddle with local affairs inefficiently. I think the Hurriyat should take a more active role in state affairs instead of crying for azadi all the time.

3) Open up the border to trade with Muzzafarbad. This is key as Swaminathan Aiyar says that the traditional trade route to Srinagar was via Rawalpindi and not Jammu.

4) Reduce troop presence everywhere except the border areas. Give peace a chance. If violence erupts India can bring troops back in.

5) Make special concessions and declare the Kashmiri Pandits as a protected minority and relocate them into the Valley. This will boost Kashmir’s economy and will make peace with right-wing Hindu groups in India.

6) Go ahead with the healing touch method as suggested by the PDP by allowing former terrorists to surrender, grant them amnesty and allow them to contest elections.

Let’s face it. India is not going to just let go of Kashmir so easily. Kashmiris are not going to stop demanding Azadi. And i seriously doubt whether Kashmir will really be able to survive as an independent nation. So how about a mid-way solution that in the long run may benefit everyone?

Posted by Vishad | Report as abusive

hello,

1)who will listen to aspirations of kashmiri people who
want to be with democratic India ?

MR MISHRA IS THE BIGGEST IDIOT SO IS ARUNDHATI ROY!

THE FACT IS 50% KASHMIRI MUSLIM POPULATION WANTS TO VOTE FOR INDIA.

KASHMIRI WOMEN WANT TO BE WITH INDIA AS THEY ARE RAPED AND EXPLOITED BY MILITANTS WHO CROSS THE LOC BORDER
AND THEN NOBODY CRIES `HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATIONS`

NO REDUCTION IN SECURITY FORCES – IF THE WORLD ALLOWS THE CONCEPT OF AZAD KASHMIR IT WILL BE BIGGEST MILITANT TRAINING BASE IN THE WORLD WITH NO INTERNATIONAL AUTHORITY- AS POK HAS HUNDREDS OF MILITANT CAMPS ALONG LOC.

IF YOU WANT IT GO AHEAD REUTERS!!!!

WHO IS REUTERS TO SAY KASHMIRI POPULATION REVOLTED AGAINST INDIAN RULE 1989- WHAT INDIAN RULE?????/

WATCH OLD INDIAN HINDI BOLLYWOOD MOVIES- EG
`KASHMIR KI KALI` ACTRESS SHARMILA TAGORE/SHAMMI KAPOOR!!! KASHMIRI PEOPLE WERE HAPPY WITH INDIA
PAKISTAN EXPLOITED THEIR MUSLIM IDENTITY WITH MONEY!!!

PAKISTAN WAS CARVED OUT OF ANCIENT INDIAN HINDU CIVILISATION TO CREATE A MUSLIM STATE IN 1947

KASHMIR EXISTED WHEN THERE WAS NO SUFISM/PERSIAN INFLUENCE
EG- AMARNATH CAVES – HINDU PILGRIMAGE !!!

IF TOMMORROW MAJORITY MUSLIM POPULATION OF THE INDIAN STATE OF UTTAR PRADESH SAYS WE DO NOT WANT INDIAN RULE
WILL MR MISHRA CARVE ANOTHER PORTION OF INDIAN LAND AND GIVE AZADI/OR TO PAKISTAN??????????????

ONLY SOLUTION IS TO PARTITON INTO PAKISTAN AND INDIAN
KASHMIR- PEOPLE WHO VOTE FOR PAKISTAN SHOULD SEND ACROSS
TO POK AND INDIAN KASHMIRI MUSLIMS TO BE INDIAN CITIZENS
WITH IDENTITY CARDS.

YOUNG KASHMIRI WOMEN WANT TO WEAR JEANS! NOT BURQA?VEIL?
BUT DO NOT SAY FOR FEAR OF BEING KILLED!

INDIA BELIEVES IN ECONOMIC PROGRESS AS KNOWN TO THE WORLD AND KASHMIR CAN BE RECREATED AS PARADISE ON EARTH

NOBODY IS REALISING THE FACT THAT A BEAUTIFUL BIODIVERSITY IS BEING DESTROYED IN A SENSELESS WAR!!!!!

IT CAN BE MADE SWITZERLAND OF INDIA WITH HELP OF USA/EUROPE AND UNITED NATIONS.

IF ANYBODY IS INTERESTED TO SAVE KASHMIR- KASHMIRIAT
AND INDIGEANOUS CULTURE AND PEOPLE OF KASHMIR.

WHO IS ARUNDHATI ROY? SHE IS SO LAZY ! HAS NOT WRIITEN ANY OF HER WORKS SINCE LAST BOOKER PRIZE-HER PERSONAL LIFE -NO STABLE RELATIONSHIP ? HER MOTTO OF LIFE
“LET GO “ OF EVERYTHING FOR EG such as KASHMIR“!!!

Vishad: You write ”The people of Jammu and Ladakh feel alienated by the Kashmiris and would prefer to be an integral part of India without having things like Article 370 etc imposed upon them.”

What makes you think that people feel article 370 is ”imposed” on them? It already grants autonomy to Kashmir, in letter. Granting autonomy is not an act of imposition. But regardless of article 370, in reality Kashmir is a police and military state.

Though your intentions to bring peace to Kashmir region are good, I’m afraid that right wing Hindu nationalist politics of political parties like BJP will never let that happen. If India wanted to grant autonomy to Kashmir and leave Kashmiris alone it would respect article 370. But as it is BJP has been crying loud for long to actually scrap article 370.

Nice words got no use if they have no will or actions that must go along with them.

Posted by Rajiv | Report as abusive

dear all

I would like to finish what i started

Kashmiri local men in Indian side ARE CALLED “HATOS“
OR KHAN BABA WHO WORK IN NORTHERN INDIAN CITIES AS
COOLIES FOR EARNING A LIVING,
THEY ARE ACCEPTED AND RESPECTED FOR THEIR WORK BY INDIAN PEOPLE,

SUBSIDISED FOOD AND AMENTITES GIVEN TO KASHMIRI PEOPLE

NOBODY CAN BUY LAND IN KASHMIR, MUSLIM KASHMIRI BUY
LAND ANWHERE IN INDIA .

KASHMIR HAS REPRESENTATION IN INDIAN GOVERNANCE
AND PARLIAMENT.I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHO WILL GIVE
THEM IN PAKISTAN.

ONCE INDIAN FORCES WITHDRAW AND AZADI GIVEN TO KASHMIR INDIAN SIDE -
TALIBAN WILL FINISH ALL KASHMIRI LEADERS OF INDIAN SIDE
AND WOMEN WILL BE PUT UNDER SHARIAT LAW
AND A MISERABLE BACKWARD LIFE WILL FOLLOW FOR KASHMIRI
PEOPLE- WILL TALIBAN ALLOW INDEPENDENT
KASHMIR TO EXIST.????

WESTERN WORLD SHOULD DEFINITELY ALLOW THE ABOVE!!

DURING KARGIL IT WAS MUSLIM KASHMIRI SHEPHERDS `GUJJARS`
WHO WENT TO `BADA SAHIB` INDIAN ARMY OFFICERS CALLED IN LOCAL LANGUAGE TO REPORT
SIGHTINGS OF PAKISTANI ARMY AND MILITANT INTRUDERS FROM
ACROSS BORDER INTO INDIAN SIDE.

WHO IS AFZAL AND MR ZUBERULIAMAN MAKING A FOOL OF THIS
WORLD.?? WHAT DO YOU KNOW OF GROUND REALITY IN KASHMIR?

WHERE WERE YOU ?? WHEN INDIAN ARMY WAS HELPING
NEEDY KASHMIRI`S
IN EARTHQUAKE DISASTER AND SEVERE SNOWFALL IN 2007

WHERE WERE YOU WHEN HOMELESS AND ORPHANS KASHMIRI YOUNG
GIRLS OF POK(PAKISTAN) IN AFTERMATH OF EARTHQUAKE DISASTER WHEN THEIR PARENTS DIED ,
WERE SENT TO BROTHELS IN ACROSS PAKISTAN??

WHERE WAS MISS MYRA,?

INDIAN ARMY DOES NOT ALLOW ANY SINGLE HARDCORE MILITANT
TO EXIST IN ITS TERRITORY!

KASHMIRI PEOPLE INDIAN SIDE- MUSLIMS AND THEIR POLITICAL PARTIES EG PDP ,SEPARATISTS IF YOU STOP AIDING AND ABETTING ,HIDING
TALIBAN & PAKISTAN ARMY MILITANTS AND YOUR OWN INNOCENT YOUNG MEN TURNED MILITANTS IN THE NAME OF JIHAD!KILLING YOUR OWN CHILDREN!

INDIAN SECURITY FORCES WILL NOT USE ANY KIND OF FORCE
AGAINST LOCAL POPULATION.
IT DOES NOT HAPPEN IN JAMMU IN NORTH INDIA (J&K STATE )BECAUSE NO HINDU FAMILY HIDES OF HELPS ANY MILITANTS!

KASHMIRI ROGUE ELEMENTS WILL NEVER ALLOW ECONOMIC
DEVELOPMENT FROM INDIA WHICH INDIA WOULD LIKE TO DO
AS FOR THE REST OF THE COUNTRY

WHEN I WENT TO KASHMIR IN 1988
IT WAS BEAUTIFUL ,OPEN AND FREE SOCIETY ,
NOW IT IS BACKWARD , WOMEN IN KASHMIR WERE NEVER SIGHTED
WEARING BLACK BURQA`S OR VEILS IN PUBLIC.

GET SOME EDUCATION ON KASHMIR!
WHAT IS PAKISTAN/AZADI OFFERING KASHMIR ???

Oh of course all Kashmiri women want to wear Jeans and of course 50% of Kashmiri men should move to Pakistan. At least this will help India’s skewed gender ratio.

And I hope that USA/United Nations and Europe would help India turn Kashmir into Switzerland so that all the ill gotten (but hard earned) money of Indian elite and other South Asian brothers can be secretly deposited in Kashmiri banks, with nice secrecy codes like Swiss banks.

And of course, Europe and USA can also give financial aid to Kashmiri women to buy made in China jeans. That would also promote friendly relations with China that already holds a big chunk of Kashmir that it took away from India after a bit of arm twisting in 1962, if memory serves me right.

I think if Indian Kashmiri citizens show their purchased jeans receipts to China, they might even consider giving back Chinese occupied Kashmir that otherwise angry Indian Hindus are too scared to talk about.

I think India should invade China and take back Chinese occupied Kashmir.

As for Mishra and Arundathi Roy: If they love Kashmiris so much I think Mishra should consider getting circumcised and Arundathi Roy can buy a shiny new veil that might even cure her writer’s block.

And Reuters, you watch out before Laxmi Mittal or Ambani brothers will buy you out. Stop talking about Kashmir Azadi stuff if you want to keep your jobs.

Posted by Rajiv | Report as abusive

Vishad, thanks for posting such a detailed comment. But if we were to follow your proposal of separating Ladakh and Jammu from the Valley, how, for example, would you deal with Kargil, currently part of Ladakh yet mainly Muslim and with closer ties historically to Baltistan than to either Srinagar or Leh? That is one of the many reasons why I said in the original post that there is no quick fix solution.

But I agree with you that the UN resolutions on Kashmir (http://www.kashmiri-cc.ca/un/) are often misquoted or misunderstood in the sense that when they were passed they were meant to apply to the whole of the former kingdom of Jammu and Kashmir.

Good to see lots of people above posting thoughtful comments which are all very welcome. For those of you leaping to judgment in anger, could you actually read the post first before you decide what you think I have said?

Posted by myra macdonald | Report as abusive

Rajiv,
There is a sense of alienation in Jammu. The recent protests were not just a result of allocating land or a Hindu-Muslim issue. Many muslims also joined the Hindus in the protests against Kashmiri domination.
The Kashmir-centric administration has been neglecting Jammu in order to pamper Kashmir.
Let the Kashmiris have the autonomy they want if it saves us billions of dollars and thousands of lives without giving up our territory. And let the people of Jammu and Ladakh move on without being associated with all the baggage that comes along with being clubbed with Kashmir all the time.
There is no need for Article 370 in Jammu as I dont think the people of Jammu mind if Indians buy land there or move there and contribute to their economy.

Myra,
The Balti people of Kargil have never shown any inclination to join the Northern Areas of Pakistan. They have little or no kinship to Kashmiris like you said and have little or no desire for azadi or being part of the Balawaristan separatist movement in Pakistan. At least not that I’ve ever heard off. So Kargil will remain part of India and part of the new state of Jammu and Ladakh.

There is no quick fix solution but I see this as one way to bring about a radical positive change as opposed to small bandage-solutions that serve no real purpose but to maintain the status quo.

Vishad

PS: One small correction:- You wrote “Kashmir Valley is primarily Sufi and the hardline brand of Wahhabi/Deobandi Islam followed by al Qaeda and the Taliban has never really managed to take root there”

Deobandi is completely different from Wahhabi. In fact Deobandi is a hard line Sufi school that originated in Deoband, Uttar Pradesh. Wahhabi is a Saudi movement of the Salafi school and has nothing to do with Deobandi or Sufism.
The Taliban were in fact Deobandi or at least claim to have drawn their inspiration from the Deobandis. So technically the Taliban are also Sufi but the Deobandi school in UP claims to have little or no association with the Taliban.

Posted by Vishad | Report as abusive

DEAR READERS

WHAT`S WITH THE TITLE?

PAKISTAN NOW OR NEVER?
REVOLT AGAINST INDIAN RULE?

India is a secular,democratic country
and pakistan has been under military RULE since
decades.

kashmir is a people`s dispute rather than a land
dispute

IF ALL THE PROTESTORS IN KASHMIR WANT TO BE WITH
PAKISTAN THEY SHOULD TAKE A WALK- TO POK
THEY WILL STILL BE IN KASHMIR ONLY IN A COUNTRY CALLED
PAKISTAN.

I DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE LOGIC?

WHEN PARTITION OF INDIA & PAKISTAN HAPPENED IN 1947
HINDUS/SIKHS/PARSIS/CHRISTIANS ETC
WANTED TO BE PART OF THE NEW COUNTRY CALLED PAKISTAN
ESPECIALLY WHEN FOR EG SIKHS HAVE THEIR RELIGIOUS GURUDWARS (TEMPLES)AS SIKHISM ORIGINATED IN WHAT IS NOW
PAKISTAN,
WHO WANTS TO LEAVE THEIR LIVELIHOOD,PROSPEROUS AGRICULTRAL ANCESTRAL PROPERTIES AND UPROOTED TO A NEW
DESTINATION CALLED INDIA.
BUT MAJORITY MUSLIMS OF PAKISTAN WANTED ONLY MUSLIM ISLAMIC IDENTITY OF PAKISTAN WITH ZERO TOLERANCE OF
ANY OTHER COMMUNITY AND RELIGION .

HENCE SINCE MINORITY COMMUNITIES REFUSED TO LEAVE THEIR
HOMES ,A WAVE OF RIOTS AND VIOLENT BLOODSHED WAS
STARTED AGAINST THEM,HOUSES BURNT,WOMEN EXPLOITED AND HENCE MILLIONS OF HINDUS AND SIKHS ETC WERE FORCED TO MOVE TO INDIAN SIDE WHICH OTHERWISE COULD HAVE BEEN A PEACEFUL PARTITION.

WHY ARE KASHMIRI PEOPLE SO PAMPERED BY THE WORLD COMMUNITY AND INDIA AND PAKISTAN FOR EITHER AZADI,
AUTONOMY ,MORE PRIVILEDGES ETC.
WHY SHOULD THEY BE ASKED FOR THEIR OPINIONS?

WHO ASKED THE HELPLESS IMMIGRANTS?? IN 1947 PARTITION
WHO LOST THEIR HERITAGE IN PAKISTAN AND WERE FORCED TO
MOVE TO INDIA WHETHER THEY SHOULD BE WITH PAKISTAN/INDIA
OR TOTAL AZADI-INDEPENDENCE

MR MANMOHAN SINGH PRIME MINISTER OF INDIA IS ONE SUCH
CASUALTY OF THOSE HARD TIMES,
HE USED TO STUDY UNDER STREET LIGHTS IN DELHI AT NIGHT
AS A CHILD AS THERE WAS NO ELECTRICITY/WATER IN THE REFUGEE CAMPS WHERE HIS FAMILY WAS STAYING ,
AND THEN GO TO SCHOOL NEXT MORNING WITH HIS NIGHT STUDY
HOMEWORK.

INSTEAD OF CRYING WOLF AND WASTING LIVES,PRECIOUS TIME,
MONEY,HOW MANY ARE IN THE PROCESS OF BECOMING SOMEBODY
LIKE THE INDIAN PRIME MINISTER- WHO IS KNOWN FOR HIS
EDUCATION,HUMILITY, HUMBLENESS AND WORK -ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TO HIS PEOPLE & INDIA.

WHAT DOES THESE PEOPLE AFZAL AND MISS MYRA AND REUTERS?
KNOW ABOUT INDIAN HISTORY, PAIN AND SUFFERINGS OF PEOPLE
OF THIS SUBCONTINENT.

WE IN INDIA WANT KASHMIRI MUSLIMS TO BE HAPPY IN THEIR LIVES AND IF THEY FEEL THEY CAN ACHIEVE THAT AWAY FROM
INDIA ,THEY SHOULD NOT WASTE ANY TIME AND MOVE TO POK/PAKISTAN TO BE WITH THEIR OWN MUSLIM BROTHERS

BUT LAND WILL NOT GO WITH THEM AS HINDU KASHMIRI PUNDITS
,SIKHS ,BUDDHISTS ETC HAVE EQUAL RIGHT TOO!
SO DOES INDIAN DEFENCE FORCES WHO ON ORDERS OF GOVT OF INDIA HAVE LAID DOWN LIVES VOLUNATRILY ,TO PROTECT TERRITORIAL INTEGRITY OF A NATION – WHEN HALF OF THE
KASHMIRI LOCAL POPULATION RUN TO INDIAN SECURITY FORCES
TO PROTECT THEM FROM ARMED INTRUDERS COMING ACROSS THE BORDER FROM PAKISTAN AND GIVING INTELLIGENCE INFORMATION

ARMY/SECURITY OFFICERS WHO ARE ALSO -ONLY SONS OF THEIR
PARENTS,HUSBANDS WHO LEAVE PREGNANT WIVES AT HOME AND DIE
FIGHTING IN KASHMIR,

THEIR LIVES ARE SO EXPENDABLE???

A CALL CENTRE EXECUTIVE OF A UNITED STATES/UK MNC CORPORATE COMPANIES -17/18 YRS OLD IN AGE
EARNS A SALARY MORE THAN AN ARMY OFFICER IN INDIA!
ARE THESE SECURITY OFFICERS VOLUNTARILY ENLISTING THEMSELVES IN ARMY TO DIE IN KASHMIR FOR MONEY?????

EVERY NATION IN THE WORLD HAS ITS ARMY MEANT FOR EXTERNAL
AGGRESSION TO PROTECT ITS TERRITORIAL INTEGRITY
WHETHER IT IS UK/USA/FRANCE/GERMANY/RUSSIA/ISRAEL/AUST RALIA ETC.

WHY IS INDIAN ARMY AND SECURITY FORCES LABLED AS BRUTE FORCE BY NEWS COMPANIES LIKE REUTERS / BBC /WORLD MEDIA
ETC.

Aksai Chin is part of Kashmir which is with
CHINA . China has a habit of forceful acquiring of
other people`s land and property
for eg TIBET?

Well, I dont know much. But always feel that teh Kashmir issue is a issue just to keep teh feelings of being isolated, alive in the muslims.
Muslims were never more than a vote bank in India. Just use them for political gains.
If Kashmiri have brains then they would know the situation of pakistan.
Muslim brothehood would vanish once U sterv.

Posted by Neil | Report as abusive

Vishad,
Point taken on the people of Kargil not showing any inclination to join the Northern Areas of Pakistan, but my understanding was that the Muslims in Ladakh resented the domination of the Buddhist of Leh. In other words, once you start talking about trifurcating J&K down communal lines, don’t you create new problems for the Muslims in Jammu and Ladakh? Or are you suggesting the division could be made down ethnic, rather than religious, lines?

On Wahhabi vs Deobandi, I was using Wahhabi for al Qaeda and Deobandi for the Taliban. And I am willing to stand corrected on this, but wasn’t the Deobandi madrasa set up as a reaction against Sufism post 1857? And while there may have been little connection between the two schools historically, would you still argue that the religious ideologies of al Qaeda and the Taliban are quite different? The Taliban’s destruction of the statues at Bamian certainly looked more to be inspired by Wahhabism.

Posted by Myra MacDonald | Report as abusive

Dear Indians & Jai
Let me introduce you myself I am common Kashmiri who is alinated by your Indian illegal rule & by Indian people who don’t have courage to face the facts. I am born & bought up in Kashmir I feel each & every moment of Kashmir, I know much more then you what is happening in Kahmir. Just check this http://www.iht.com/articles/reuters/2008  /09/04/asia/OUKWD-UK-KASHMIR-PROTESTS-P OLITICAL-FEATURE-PIX-GR.php?page=1 to know the world opinon about Kashmir you people are too much ignorant if you are really curious enough about Kashmir check Daily Local paper on net http://www.greaterkashmir.com; also check http://www.iht.com; washington post etc. but you people are so busy to look dance which are broadcasted in news channels of India media who don’t have concept of Journalism. If you really want to know, even what is happening in India how poor people are suffring just have look on Arundati Roy interview in OUTLOOK but you people just want to close your eyes & like to see what Indian media is showing you come to real India where people don’t have enough money to buy a single meal.
About Kashmir I think past month you have not watched Indian media which gave little coverage to Kashmir. If you have watched news channels you might have seen how 1 million Kashmiris mached in favour of azadi to IddGah. You Indians didn’t find why Indian Govt imposed curfew for 9 days without any relaxation; for your knowledge it was call from Sepratist to march towards Lal Chowk for sit on protest but as usual Indians feel ashamed & embraced by their illegal rule to respect the people wishes so they imposed curfew. Just check todays greater kashmir you will see how Indian brutal army is aiming at a Young Chap who was martayed by the same guy. His fault was he want end of Illegal Indian rule.

Posted by zubairulamin | Report as abusive

“we want freedom from india” this is the voice of every kashmiri.
indians might put ear plugs on keep their eyes shut but it will not change the reality.
come on india support the truth.let peace prevail.
exert some pressure on indian government to stop atrocities in kashmir.

Posted by anas | Report as abusive

Dear Indians please answer mourners cries
Courtesy Raising Kashmir local daily
Srinagar, Sep 06: Asiya has dagger in heart. Not just for her elder brother fell to Police bullets outside his home, but also for his last wish – Javed Iqbal requested his sister to make custard (Firni) for Iftaar (to break holy fast) .
Myane Bayo…yita wael wael, firni ha chai tayar (O my brother…come soon the custard is ready) Asiya cried mournfully appearing to believe that Javed will come to taste the recipe she had lovingly prepared for him.
Javed was eldest of the 46-year-old Mehmooda’s two sons and a daughter.

While Asiya regrets for not offering her brother his favorite recipe, Mehmooda too is broken and her cries suggest she was waiting with dates and milk to offer a wholesome breakfast (in the evening during Ramadan) to her beloved son.
Javaid, a Taxi driver by profession, is known among his friends for his liking toward snooker.
Javed had only this morning returned from a Jammu trip.
Relatives said Javaid used to help his father Abdul Majeed, a fruit seller. Majid is unable to speak. .“The biggest tragedy in a father’s life is to attend the funeral of his young son, sighed a neighbor who was trying to console Majeed.
But Javed’s mother displays belief in the life hereafter: His sacrifice will not go waste and said, His blood will fetch results for the nation.
Riyaz younger brother of Javaid was unable to speak and was just gazing at the bullet-ridden body of his elder brother.
He was just answering the slogans raised during the funeral. Shaheed Ki Jo Moot Hai – Woh Qoum Ki Hayat Hai (Death of a martyr ensures life of a nation).

Posted by zubairulamin | Report as abusive

Myra,

I’m not calling for the trifurcation of the state. Just a bifurcation. Let “Jammu and Ladakh” remain one state.
Also, it will be neither a religious division nor an ethnic one. I’m just saying that the Kashmir Valley should be separated and granted more autonomy as that is the only part of the state where there is a separatist tendency.

I agree that the philosophy of the Deobandis and Wahhabis might be similar but in fact they are two independant schools of thought. One originated in Deoband, Uttar Pradesh, the other in Saudi Arabia. Both are Islamic revivalist movements.
Deobandi did not start as an opposition to Sufism (Wahhabism did). It started as an opposition to British rule as they believed that Islam was falling behind as a result of Westernization. The Deobandis are followers of Sufism:
http://www.ahya.org/tjonline/eng/01/06ch p1.html

Posted by Vishad | Report as abusive

Dear Sir,

It is sad that such biased articles ever get into prominence. Myra and Pankaj make no mention of half million Kashmiri Hindus who were ethnically cleansed and living in sub-human homes for 18 years. Have they ever visited those camps and knew what it is like living there, driven out of your home and raising generations of children in sub-human conditions.

This is not journalism, it is propaganda? I wonder if the same journalists can walk freely in Pakistan making such statements about Islam? It is better the sooner the world get rid of such journalistic trash.

Regards,
Hindu Human Rights Watch

Bismillah-E-Rehman-E-Rahim, Sab Hindu bhaiyo ko bhi Ram-Ram,

Terrorists O Terrorists,

WHY DONT YOU LEAVE WE MOSLEMS PEACEFULLY WITH HINDUS TOGETHER. IF YOU HAVE PROBLEMS IN KASHMIR. SETTLE IT THERE. DONT COME HERE. YOUR BOMB BLASTS CREATE PANIC AND FEAR IN DELHI MOSLEMS.

HOW LONG HINDUS WILL BE PATIENT ? THEY ARE ALSO HUMANBEING. IF WE KILL A BUFFALO, EVEN HE TRIES TO ESCAPE AND FIGHT. IF HINDUS STARTED FIGHTING ALONGWITH POLICE AND ARMY THEN ?

FOR ALLAH’S SAKE, LEAVE US.

YOU EYE ABOUT HINDUSTAN, WE WILL LIKE TO SAY –

PAKISTAN TUMHARI MA*UT AAY*E..
HINDUSTAN KE DUSHMANO TUMHARI MA*UT AAY*E..
ANTAKWADIYO TUMHARI MA*UT AAY*E..
PYAR, BHAICHARA, SHANTI AUR ALLAH KE DUSHMANO TUMHARI MAU*T AAY*E..

insallah humari fatah aur hindustan ke dushmano ki shikast hogi !!!

Allah hafij

Julfikar Ali on behalf of all Delhi Muslims
Muzlis-E-Islam
New Delhi

Dear Indians,

If Kashmir is an integral part of India, how come only 45% of J&K State is under India. What has Govt of India done to rgain the other 55% of J&K? Nothing..Cause if they start doing anything, it will have to leave this 45% as well. It is like if you find two notes of Rs500
on the road and you pick up one note.When you were about to pikc up the other note, someone already picked up. Now you are happy with the one note cause you got it illegaly.Similarly,India did not do anything to regain the other half. That is because it knows if it tries any action,either polotical or millatry,there will be question mark on its claim over Kashmir. How many people in India know that United Nations Military Observers have a big office in the heart of Srinagar.They are not in Mumbai,bangalore, Delhi, Bihar. You have educate your country men that Kashmir is a disputed territory. I am not opposing any Kashmiri or Dogra be hold the opinion that Kashmir SHOULD be a part of India. But let us excercise this right of choice. If India has taken right measure to win the hearts and minds of Kashmiris for the last 60 yrs, probably the chances are that India will get full control of 100% Kashmir as opposed to current 45%.(Keep in mind,arrest of Sheikh Abdullah in 1953,installation of puppet Govt in Kashmir, replacement of Prime Ministership to chief Ministership in 1964,Unilateral decission of dilution of Article 370,military rule, more than 100 thousands innocents deaths by Indian forces (My three cousins included),rapes,custodial deaths,economic degradation,infrastructure, NO POWER, Indus water treaty, only to name a few)… Ajaz Kahsmiri… ajaztam@hotmail.com

Posted by Ajaz Ahmed Kashmiri | Report as abusive

Kashmir is an integral part of India. We will have kashmir with or without kashmiri men. Kashmiris need to decide if they want to live then they live like good citizens of india or die and go to jannat. What are butchers of thousands of kashmiri pandits, killers of pandit children seeking sympathy for? You will now get paid in your own bucket of violence.

Posted by Alibabaaurchaalischor | Report as abusive

Dear friend, can you give me the names of thousands of pundits killed. Only 250 pundits got killed being informers of India and on the contrary thousands of Muslims have been masacared.

Posted by Ajaz Ahmed Kashmiri | Report as abusive

Dear Friend, who told u that thousands of pudits got killed in kashmir. This is a misinformation.In all only 250 pundits got killed and thousands of Muslims were masacared. Those punidts were mainly spies and informers working for India forces……Imagine if Bhagat sigh found a man helping Birtishers. He would not have spared him……it is the same case here……Kashmiris are fighing for freedom from India and Pakistan……peacefuly

Posted by Ajaz Ahmed Kashmiri | Report as abusive

you are a bunch of freaks commenting here..don u see the world view..people outside india call us insurgents ..rebels ..not terrorists…to tell u all that this place? is not india. it is kashmir …half administrated by pakistan and half occupied by india..i belong to the srinagar city..kashmir is occupied by 700 thousand strong indian armed terrorists who hv unleashed a reign of terror in our homeland .this attack is a reaction..since india is not ready to leave our land..indian armed agression in this heavy militarised zone has murdered more than 100 thousand civilians , equal number of people are languishing in infamous indian jails , equal number are displaced and left homeless. rape and humiliation is everywhere..indian armed terrorists have torched and looted billions worth of property…so if we react we are terrorists ? even united nation recognizes that kashmir is a disputed territory occupied? by india. we had a prime minister of our own till 1952….china libya united states and european union have already accepted the fact that jammu kashmir is a dispute ..go to google earth and open your blind eyes..you will find jammu kashmir as a seperate entity…even statement of world bank recently humiliated india by forcefully accepting the reality that kashmir is not the baap ki jageer of india…indian armed terrorists must vacate our homeland….

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