A decisive moment : India, Pakistan on different paths

September 7, 2008

The irony is hard to miss. Just as Pakistan is struggling with the fallout of the first known breach of its territorial sovereignty by U.S. ground troops and all the odium associated with it in a proud nation, India has been welcomed into the nuclear high table, almost entirely at America’s behest.

Two unrelated events but coming days apart seemed to underline the divergent paths the two nations are embarked upon.  One has a gun pointed to it; the other is being wooed.


On Saturday, America railroaded whatever opposition there was from smaller countries in the Nuclear Suppliers Group to civilian nuclear trade with India, despite its refusal to give up nuclear weapons and sign the NPT. As far as New Delhi is concerned the approval is a momentous decision as Prime Minister Manmohan Singh said, because it ends 34 years of sanctions and isolation following the first nuclear test in 1974.

I remember an Indian defence scientist telling me way back that the sanctions were so pervasive that some institutions blacklisted by the United States on suspicion they were involved in the nuclear weapons programme couldn’t even import a toothbrush from there.

In one stroke, and in line with the way in which the Bush administration has gone about remaking the world in its own image, all that has changed. India’s nuclear weapons aren’t a problem any more as America builds a new strategic partnership that many see as aimed at balancing China.

And what of Pakistan ? A seat at the nuclear table is probably the farthest thing on anyone’s mind including perhaps Islamabad’s as it struggles with  more fundamental issues of territorial integrity at this point. The raid this week by U.S. forces may signal an even more intense attacks as this report says.


But the Pakistan government, says Gary Leupp, a history professor at Tufts University, has provided more assistance to the United States than any other as it pursues its goals in southwest Asia. No country has been more dramatically destabilized as the price of its cooperation.
“But not only does the U.S. political class take this disastrous compliance for granted, it wants to further emphasize Islamabad’s irrelevance by attacking the border area at will,” he writes. And ominously it’s not just the Bush crowd; Senator Barack Obama has been saying that the United States must do more to press Pakistan to act against the Islamist militants as an earlier post on this blog pointed out. 


Worry Not Jaydev !! You dont have to leave your country fearing rising muslim population..No doubt they are a burden but they cannot endager your existance in India.Keep faith and believe me you will need them in India to do all shitty jobs.

Posted by Om | Report as abusive

It is obvious that the United States and India, See Pakistan as a threat to thier plans to contain Communist China, Pakistan for 61-years now has defeated the Indians in a whole series of wars, 1948 in which Pakistani forces took Kashmir, In 1965 in which they repulsed an Indian invasion which occured on september 6th 1965, In 1971 India again attacked Pakistan which led to the massacre of 3 million Bengali Hindus that India failed to protect, Not only that it provoked Pakistan with nuclear weapons in 1998 only to see the Pakistani tests nuclear weapons of thier own, Thier actions shortly after the testing led to skirmish which was a huge tactical victory for the Pakistanis in 1999.

India has been defeated by Pakistan and China aswell (1962), How can India be a counter to China which it can not even win a single war against its neighbours China and Pakistan?

The answer is the India is a tool for the American containment of China and American hegemony in Asia, Despite all the tall claims of India and its 1 billion illiterate, naked and hugry people, India is still just a third world sewer surviving on Western Alms.

Besides If Pakistan goes, Entire South Asia goes with it!

Posted by Dr Idris Shah Ebrahimi | Report as abusive

India has won all of the 4 four wars it has fought with Pakistan. Get the facts right first.

If Pakistan was so powerful, how did Bangladesh come into existence??

All of you Muslims who hail from the punjab province treated the Bangladeshi Muslims as subordinates. It was the Hindu friends of India who rescued the Bangladeshis from the tremendous toruturous and filthy rule of Pakistan which lasted for 24 years.

Once again, first get the facts right and then talk on a public forum like this.

Posted by Abdul Ansari | Report as abusive

guys why should we worry about pakistan…..pakista should compare iself with uganda,tajikistan,bangladesh,namibia,ken ya etc etc….moreover im happy for the fact that pakistan became an islamic state and took away many islamic radicals n fundamentalist otherwise india n indians would hav also been branded terrorist by world community….

my msg to pakistan,
stop thinking about india,sheltering terrorist and religion…..pakistan will automatically prosper if u guys try to implement these things ….

how can u guys think of india when u were not able o get eve a kashmir apple during kargil war….

i pity for pakistanis…allah plz save them

Posted by ramesh | Report as abusive

Ha ha Dr Idris Shah Ebrahimi, am confused !! do schools in pakistan teach history ?? well am sucha fool you will first need schools to teach then think of learning history. This is what happens when people learn history by mullas in mosques.Not only pakistan accepted humiliating defeat in all 4 wars with India but hey Do you know about the 5th Indian war with pakistan ?? which was about to wipe out Pakistan permanently when your ISI terrorists attacked Indian parliament in new delhi ?? It was your chicken Musharaff who begged India not to start war but pleaded to resolve issue diplomatically.If pakistan were anytime stong enough to confront atleast a fraction of Indian forces why would your almighty ISI and military equipped with all 2nd hand guns fight a proxy war by creating and sending terrorist to other countries ?? pakistan never had gutts to fight like men.

Posted by Om | Report as abusive

@Dr Idris Shah Ebra

Are you Madrasa educated?. Oh..i see all the leaders of your country mostly military dictators has to prove to the people that their army is superior hence they put people in illusion. Go to Wikipedia and search for 1971 India Pakistan war and there you will find that Pakistani forces surrendered to Indian forces. You can sadly see a photo where your army general signing the surrender of his forces to Indian Army. After the second world war till that day no Army has been humiliated to the extent of surrender that Pakistan was.

Posted by Sudhir | Report as abusive

hey Amir guy, where in the world did prophet muhammad s.a.w said that Pakistan is the chosen country…??? hahahaha your leaders are so damn corrupt and you’re going to make a khalifa out of them. hahahahaha…Well for your kind info, there is already a khalifa guiding Allah’s beloved people, and trust me Allah doesn’t look at Pakistan or India any differently; for Him there is no boundary. His chosen, loving and peaceful people are in all parts of the world, be it India or America. At least, in India, the government provides some protection to its people, and doesn’t try to dictate who is the chosen one and who’s not

Pakistan thinks that its protecting or safeguarding Islam when in reality countries like afghanistan, Pakistan, arab, and Iran have become islam’s biggest enemies. Its sad but true. Pakistan is in bad condition. Its quite disturbing that these two countries, which were at one time one, can let America come between them..they’re stupid not to see that America is no one’s friend.

Posted by A-S | Report as abusive

Ebrahim Birather,
Assalamu Alaikum
Do not pay any serious attention to Kaffir Hindu and Hinduised Muslims. Their destiny alongside Christians and Jews is hot hell where they will be roasted till eternity by Merciful Allah. Pakistanis are the only true followers of Islam and as predicetd by our beloved Prophet (SAWA) the only people to be admitted to Paradise. No Jahil ARAB will be allowed come even close to the gates of Paradise. Pakistan has the atom bomb and Pakistan will use it to spread Islam in the whole world .
Arabs, Turks, Indians, European and American will all beg for mercy once our Ghazis go to war. The whole world will be Islamic in next 20 years and learn Islam from us Pakistanis . Pakistan have never lost any war it started as we are the guardian of Islam in this world and after Quraish Allah has bestowed special favour on us to spread mighty deep philosophy of Pakistani Islam in the whole world. All thsoe critcizing us will beg to become Pakistanis in near future. Wait till new Khalifa sits on the hight seat in Lahore , bringing glad tiding from Heaven and distribute booty among us true faithful.:-)

Allah Hu Akbar!!
Pakistan , the only true Islam. The leader of Ummah and the gatekeeper of Paradise .

Posted by Amir Khan Gubodoer | Report as abusive

@Amir Khan Gubodoer,

Leave this guy alone…

Posted by Sudhir | Report as abusive

@@Amir Khan Gubodoer

Dude – you have watched too many Zaid Hamid (BrassTack) videos.

For those who want to know Amir’s source of information and inspiration, search for “Zaid Hamid” in video.google.com

Posted by Vicram Singh | Report as abusive

@Vikram Singh
Video watching by Faithfuls is haaraam. Please do not post
guidance to haaraam happenstance.

Posted by Abdul Salim Gadhan Khan | Report as abusive

Its really funny, how most bloggers / commentators from Pakistan, only have rhetoric and little or no fact, forget about intellect to compare the situation. I guess, its the sheer burden of shame, that after having made a strong case of an Islamic country, they have produced a country that’s worldwide known for producing terrorists. Its a shame, that is displayed, all over the world, any airport, any immigration desk, Pakistani’s get treated like criminals, and Indians in comparison, get awe and admiration from the western world. They FEAR India’s competitive spirit, and its growing clout. Current US debate for the election is, who helped conclude the Indo-US deal. And accross the whole democratic world, Pakistan is treated as a problem, an ill concieved idea, that it truely is. Well wake up , Pakistan has sold itself, its image, its stolen technology, its present and its future to US and the western institutions like World Bank and IMF. Wake up, and realise , your country is in DEBT, your institutions don’t function, your reputation is tarnished, your country has already been through a partition, home of alquida, best known for export of terrorism…. and you still want to compare favourably to India? Shocking

Posted by SK | Report as abusive

Pakistan is there to live forever
Written By: Amjad Malik

As long as India keeps dreaming the disintegration of Pakistan, it will survive as a viable state as the very negativity serves the purpose of knitting this crowd of 170 million people into a nation, whenever it is confronted by its arch rival. Editor of Indian Defence Review, Mr. Bharat Verma writes that ‘new Delhi is its own enemy, when it permitted the creation of a pure Islamic state on its borders,” I for one disagree as this state emerged as a result of a successful struggle for independence by millions of Muslims of India who felt that two nation theory is the only viable option to preserve and protect each other’s identity and core values. Indian Hindus too got liberated after remaining under Moghuls for over 6 centuries and then British Raj through the same process due to Gandhi’s vision. Independence was neither granted through diplomacy, nor as a charity. It was snatched on the basis of fundamentals of the modern day democracy, one man one vote’ principle and majority of muslim populated areas vowed to join the newly established idea of ‘Pakistan’ where they saw security, identity and a peaceful enjoyment of civil and political rights, and a freedom of religion, culture and values.

Looking at secular India’s state and its treatment to its minorities, the wisdom of Mr. Jinnah’s decision is obvious seeing the situation of Muslims of India. Demolition attempts on Babari mosque, and Hindu fundamentalists attempts to erect Ayodhia Mandar satirically smile on the claims of Indian democracy, equality & secularism. Kashmiri Muslims are at war with the state since its occupation, and are demanding for an implementation on UN Security Council Resolution 47 (1948) where India agreed with the World that question of the accession of Jammu and Kashmir should be decided through a free and impartial plebiscite. Kashmiris, instead, are facing bullets and worst genocide, than to have an opportunity to vote in a referendum. Riots in Gujrat exposes the treatment of Indian majority to its minority where thousands were burnt alive. Above all, latest October 2008 episode in Hyderabad where Hindu rioters killed six members of a Muslim family by setting fire to their home in the village Vatoli, amongst was a 2-year-old child. Muslim leaders called for better protection for minorities, and Asaduddin Owaisi, who sits in the lower house of the Parliament said that “Despite our repeated pleas and appeals, the government has failed to provide protection to the Muslims who live in remote areas and who have a very small population in those places.” This small episode exposes the state of those unprivileged in India and depicts the mind set of Hindu majority and answers all the critics of two nation theory as to why Pakistan came into being. I confess that it was as a result of a failure of Mr. Jinnah to secure equality & respect for the Muslims of India from congress.

Mr Verma further wrote in his thesis that, “many conveniently propose the myth that a stable Pakistan is in India’s favour. This is a false proposition. The truth is that Pakistan is a bad news for the Indian union since 1947-stable or otherwise. ” I agree with Mr. Verma that stable Pakistan may not suit India but stress that it is conducive to the region and the world in general which takes precedence. Nuclear armed & secure Pakistan is a guarantee of stability and a bridge between right thinking powers and ancient civilizations. When President of Pakistan in his interview with Wall Street Journal says That, “ India has never been a threat to Pakistan,” or that “I, for one, and our democratic government is not scared of Indian influence abroad,” it transpires an individual thinking, but may not b a majority view. This view is quite identical to that of new US policy which is being imported into Pakistani mind set. In my 8 October meeting with US diplomats at London, I heard the same voices that USA insists that Al- Qaeda, Taliban and rising insurgents are a real danger to Pakistan’s internal stability and the World, and Pakistan should perceive that threat as real other than that of India. USA is hopeful that unlike Pakistan army, civilian leadership will cooperate and will share US sponsored view. In response to unilateral Presidential desire of peace, India has answered by blocking ten thousands cusecs water at Chenab river in violation of Indus Water treaty which may act as a set back for an agricultural country and will affect its crops production capacity. India is also heavily interested to play dirty at the rear border of Pakistan, and it is sending thousands of troops in Afghan Pak border and already has a settled presence, interfering capacity and intention which has a potential of escalation to a small skirmishes in near future. In any event India has responded its lovers in a befitting manner.

Pakistan rightly quests for peace and stability in the region. It has played twice a major role in the region once to stop Russian invasion against Afghanisatn which resulted in Russian disintegration and secondly, as a non NATO ally against Al-Qaeda, an unfaced menace to the world. Its liberal & conservative mixture is its beauty which has a capacity to house many languages and cultures within an interesting heritage. Disintegration of one state, will be followed by others as it will set a principle that no components can survive in a Federation in the region, in return in the world. The world saw Russian disintegration as a result of an unlawful invasion, which is a lesson for all. Economic stability is not the only key to survive in a statehood, as trust, treatment and neighbors guarantee the future sovereignty of any state. Both India and Pakistan are at a crossroad, they must learn to live with each other, if not friends, as past enemies. They should live fairly keeping their own strategic positions intact on ‘live and let live principle’ as a little shift in equilibrium, will guarantee the disintegration of both. Sometimes, warming one’s hands in enemy’s fire can cost a lot and India is just doing that by meddling in Pakistani areas in difficult times and by sending its troops in Afghanistan. Pakistan is there to survive and is ready for its enemies at their waterloo.

Amjad Malik is a Solicitor-Advocate of the Supreme Court of England & Wales

15 October 2008


Our forefathers were same, influx of foreign religoious philosophies in India/South Asia and political boundaries separated the once common genetic pool, Spirits of our ancestors will feel bad if we keep figting. India/Pak/mankind/Earth may perish, but only the Truth shall remain.

Posted by R Arora | Report as abusive

Ask yourself. India and you became independent at the same time. While India decided to bite the bullet and remain independent, you decided to be a beggar for ever and a cronie of the Brits and the USA. When I say “you” , I mean you, the power mongers of Pakistan who continually screwed your own people in a million ways: destroying any semblance of democracy; killing your own in the hundreds of thousand as you did in Bangladesh; becoming and remaining a beggar for over 60 years living off the alms thrown at you by the US for being a mercenary; becoming a terrorist state with no control over your own military and covert groups.

So, rather than crying at being treated differently by the world, be happy you are being treated the way you should. In fact, you need to be ostracized by the entire International community and thrown to the stone ages as is Burma. May be that will wake you up as a nation.

You want to be treated as others. Then emulate them. Become responsible to your own people and to the rest of the world. Live by norms that responsible sovereigns are expected to live by. Put your poor citizenry before your unscrupulous, dishonest power elite. Learn some self respect and a well deserved sense of shame at the shameful plight you guys are in due to your own making.
Change !!!!!!

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