The irony is hard to miss. Just as Pakistan is struggling with the fallout of the first known breach of its territorial sovereignty by U.S. ground troops and all the odium associated with it in a proud nation, India has been welcomed into the nuclear high table, almost entirely at America’s behest.
Two unrelated events but coming days apart seemed to underline the divergent paths the two nations are embarked upon. One has a gun pointed to it; the other is being wooed.
On Saturday, America railroaded whatever opposition there was from smaller countries in the Nuclear Suppliers Group to civilian nuclear trade with India, despite its refusal to give up nuclear weapons and sign the NPT. As far as New Delhi is concerned the approval is a momentous decision as Prime Minister Manmohan Singh said, because it ends 34 years of sanctions and isolation following the first nuclear test in 1974.
I remember an Indian defence scientist telling me way back that the sanctions were so pervasive that some institutions blacklisted by the United States on suspicion they were involved in the nuclear weapons programme couldn’t even import a toothbrush from there.
In one stroke, and in line with the way in which the Bush administration has gone about remaking the world in its own image, all that has changed. India’s nuclear weapons aren’t a problem any more as America builds a new strategic partnership that many see as aimed at balancing China.
And what of Pakistan ? A seat at the nuclear table is probably the farthest thing on anyone’s mind including perhaps Islamabad’s as it struggles with more fundamental issues of territorial integrity at this point. The raid this week by U.S. forces may signal an even more intense attacks as this report says.
But the Pakistan government, says Gary Leupp, a history professor at Tufts University, has provided more assistance to the United States than any other as it pursues its goals in southwest Asia. No country has been more dramatically destabilized as the price of its cooperation.
“But not only does the U.S. political class take this disastrous compliance for granted, it wants to further emphasize Islamabad’s irrelevance by attacking the border area at will,” he writes. And ominously it’s not just the Bush crowd; Senator Barack Obama has been saying that the United States must do more to press Pakistan to act against the Islamist militants as an earlier post on this blog pointed out.
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@@Amir Khan Gubodoer
Dude - you have watched too many Zaid Hamid (BrassTack) videos.
For those who want to know Amir’s source of information and inspiration, search for “Zaid Hamid” in video.google.com
- Posted by Vicram Singh@Amir Khan Gubodoer,
Leave this guy alone…
- Posted by SudhirEbrahim Birather,
Assalamu Alaikum
Do not pay any serious attention to Kaffir Hindu and Hinduised Muslims. Their destiny alongside Christians and Jews is hot hell where they will be roasted till eternity by Merciful Allah. Pakistanis are the only true followers of Islam and as predicetd by our beloved Prophet (SAWA) the only people to be admitted to Paradise. No Jahil ARAB will be allowed come even close to the gates of Paradise. Pakistan has the atom bomb and Pakistan will use it to spread Islam in the whole world .
Arabs, Turks, Indians, European and American will all beg for mercy once our Ghazis go to war. The whole world will be Islamic in next 20 years and learn Islam from us Pakistanis . Pakistan have never lost any war it started as we are the guardian of Islam in this world and after Quraish Allah has bestowed special favour on us to spread mighty deep philosophy of Pakistani Islam in the whole world. All thsoe critcizing us will beg to become Pakistanis in near future. Wait till new Khalifa sits on the hight seat in Lahore , bringing glad tiding from Heaven and distribute booty among us true faithful.:-)
Allah Hu Akbar!!
- Posted by Amir Khan GubodoerPakistan , the only true Islam. The leader of Ummah and the gatekeeper of Paradise .
hey Amir guy, where in the world did prophet muhammad s.a.w said that Pakistan is the chosen country…??? hahahaha your leaders are so damn corrupt and you’re going to make a khalifa out of them. hahahahaha…Well for your kind info, there is already a khalifa guiding Allah’s beloved people, and trust me Allah doesn’t look at Pakistan or India any differently; for Him there is no boundary. His chosen, loving and peaceful people are in all parts of the world, be it India or America. At least, in India, the government provides some protection to its people, and doesn’t try to dictate who is the chosen one and who’s not
Pakistan thinks that its protecting or safeguarding Islam when in reality countries like afghanistan, Pakistan, arab, and Iran have become islam’s biggest enemies. Its sad but true. Pakistan is in bad condition. Its quite disturbing that these two countries, which were at one time one, can let America come between them..they’re stupid not to see that America is no one’s friend.
- Posted by A-S@Dr Idris Shah Ebra
Are you Madrasa educated?. Oh..i see all the leaders of your country mostly military dictators has to prove to the people that their army is superior hence they put people in illusion. Go to Wikipedia and search for 1971 India Pakistan war and there you will find that Pakistani forces surrendered to Indian forces. You can sadly see a photo where your army general signing the surrender of his forces to Indian Army. After the second world war till that day no Army has been humiliated to the extent of surrender that Pakistan was.
- Posted by SudhirHa ha Dr Idris Shah Ebrahimi, am confused !! do schools in pakistan teach history ?? well am sucha fool you will first need schools to teach then think of learning history. This is what happens when people learn history by mullas in mosques.Not only pakistan accepted humiliating defeat in all 4 wars with India but hey Do you know about the 5th Indian war with pakistan ?? which was about to wipe out Pakistan permanently when your ISI terrorists attacked Indian parliament in new delhi ?? It was your chicken Musharaff who begged India not to start war but pleaded to resolve issue diplomatically.If pakistan were anytime stong enough to confront atleast a fraction of Indian forces why would your almighty ISI and military equipped with all 2nd hand guns fight a proxy war by creating and sending terrorist to other countries ?? pakistan never had gutts to fight like men.
- Posted by Omguys why should we worry about pakistan…..pakista should compare iself with uganda,tajikistan,bangladesh,namibia,ken ya etc etc….moreover im happy for the fact that pakistan became an islamic state and took away many islamic radicals n fundamentalist otherwise india n indians would hav also been branded terrorist by world community….
my msg to pakistan,
stop thinking about india,sheltering terrorist and religion…..pakistan will automatically prosper if u guys try to implement these things ….
how can u guys think of india when u were not able o get eve a kashmir apple during kargil war….
i pity for pakistanis…allah plz save them
- Posted by rameshIndia has won all of the 4 four wars it has fought with Pakistan. Get the facts right first.
If Pakistan was so powerful, how did Bangladesh come into existence??
All of you Muslims who hail from the punjab province treated the Bangladeshi Muslims as subordinates. It was the Hindu friends of India who rescued the Bangladeshis from the tremendous toruturous and filthy rule of Pakistan which lasted for 24 years.
Once again, first get the facts right and then talk on a public forum like this.
- Posted by Abdul AnsariIt is obvious that the United States and India, See Pakistan as a threat to thier plans to contain Communist China, Pakistan for 61-years now has defeated the Indians in a whole series of wars, 1948 in which Pakistani forces took Kashmir, In 1965 in which they repulsed an Indian invasion which occured on september 6th 1965, In 1971 India again attacked Pakistan which led to the massacre of 3 million Bengali Hindus that India failed to protect, Not only that it provoked Pakistan with nuclear weapons in 1998 only to see the Pakistani tests nuclear weapons of thier own, Thier actions shortly after the testing led to skirmish which was a huge tactical victory for the Pakistanis in 1999.
India has been defeated by Pakistan and China aswell (1962), How can India be a counter to China which it can not even win a single war against its neighbours China and Pakistan?
The answer is the India is a tool for the American containment of China and American hegemony in Asia, Despite all the tall claims of India and its 1 billion illiterate, naked and hugry people, India is still just a third world sewer surviving on Western Alms.
Besides If Pakistan goes, Entire South Asia goes with it!
- Posted by Dr Idris Shah EbrahimiWorry Not Jaydev !! You dont have to leave your country fearing rising muslim population..No doubt they are a burden but they cannot endager your existance in India.Keep faith and believe me you will need them in India to do all shitty jobs.
- Posted by OmIts not just about time to write off Pak and hail India. By looks of growth of organisations like SIMI(1 lakh members) and Bangladeshi infiltration in places like assam,orissa,bihar,bengal.(12 lakh migrants unaccounted for) altering demographic balance and top of it christian conversion and slandering propaganda by them….may be India will be screwed up and perhaps Pakistan after invasion of US and changing education system and all..may be they will become place like Germany or Japan.
- Posted by JaydevBy 2050 and all..half of our population will be muslims..so we are screwed anyway..before these guys slaughter us..we should migrate to places like Japan or Canada or somewhere who needs skilled people. India is doomed with rising muslim population.
@Amir Khan Gubodoer
- Posted by SudhirCoz of people like you that Muslims(even the good ones) are hated everywhere and branded as terrorists. Get a brain and think about developing your nation mate.
I wonder why people get so worked up on national level. It must be the indoctrination of what they learn while growing up and recent past history.
Islam was spread to India, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Persia, Caucus mountain region by invaders who were not Muslim but adopted the religion and spread it with sword and by tax.
I look at Pakistan as three set of groups like Punjab, Sind, and Pushton tribes. They have different agenda and different heritage and customs. I am from Punjab and so are some of the kinsman. We speak same language, have similar customs and taboos but have different religion. Somewhere along the way their ancestors decided to change to Islam and made us different to the extent that they do not know each other and I would like to say hate each other in collective thinking. It boggles my mind how two group of people could hate each other so much at national level. Do I hate them No but I am always curious that what made them convert into Islam. I presume they did not have choice and were also some of them were forced into conversion. That is ancient past.
Islam did not convert Hindus into Islam but they converted lot of Buddhist which was the predominant religion in Afghanistan before Islamic invaders invaded this part of the world.
Alexander invaded India but chose not to convert locals into Greek religion. Babar came from Fergana in Kuzbikstan and always wanted to go back there some day but never did. Himayu did not know his fathers country and stayed in India and His son Akbar was only son who tolerated everybody’s religion and was considered great King even by British historians. His descendants were more into power and they killed their siblings to acquire the empire. I do not blame them for that. It was a dog eat dog world. Then there was A sikh king Ranjit singh who had similar ideas of employing Hindus, Sikhs and Moslems in his court because he believed that they should all live in harmony and it did work.
British ruled for 250 years and did spread Christianity but their goal was to plunder the wealth and drain the resources till there were none.
Now question is why they do not like each other or hate each other and will go to end of the earth to destroy each other for what. They can not feed, educate and protect their population at the level of rest of world and more over bad mouth each other knowing well this is not going to go anywhere and will only produce more hatred and distrust which has been building up for the last 60 years and I wonder how long will it continue at the pace this is happening.
Every time somebody dies in a conflict they forget to remember that person who dies is somebody’s son, brother, member of community and they are slowly killing the society in the process.
I could say more but I can not because ignorance and intolerance has not gotten us anywhere since the first invaders came and society will not improve and will either stay at status-qua or it will cause the society to disintegrate and there will be nothing left.
Oh yes when chinese premier Chou in Lai came to India and professed that India and China were brothers and neighbors and then they attacked India.
You all should wise up and learn from history and not spread hatred which does more harm and we should learn from history and apply to our lives so that future is secure for the next generations.
- Posted by VKASaddaam paid the ultimate price in the recent history by befriending the USA. I am not saying that USA is a bad country at all, it just has too big of an appitite. If you are not part of this machine or even if you being a part of this machine squeek, you are going to meet the fate of Saddaam Hussain. USA deep at heart beleives that it is the saviour of Human Rights and is the most benevelent nation on this planet. Pakistan luckily has strategic partner China for common reasons which has helped it face challanges so far. The fact that a lot of expectations about its breakup or such may be possible but with a Capital B But remember there may be the beleivers who beleive that they learned to expolode the bomb with the capital B Bomb to explode in case need be and not fot the others to take control of the inventory once Pakistan disintegrates. So, I beleive that there is always a limit to how far one should go to corner a cat and still expect not to be attacked back. I have seen some Vices craking by their own grip. We already know that for suicide bomber it doesnt make any difference what type of bomb it is which kill him, or how many lay dead besides him. The question is talking about nationalities and religions how vicious we can become and why we forget to tolerate and share love.
- Posted by N. JunaidAll these Hindoos and other kaffirs are afraid of mighty powerful nuclear Pakistan . Pakistan was predicted by Porphet Muhamamd (SAWA) himself as the leader of Ummah who will guide the whole world in pure islam as examplified in our dear leaders like Jinnha and General Musharraf. Arabs and Presians are Jahil and We Pakistani are pure Islam, we will make Khilafa and rule over whole Muslim world . The Amir of Momins will sit in Lahore and Peshabar will be new Medina. The Muslims certified by Emirate of Pakistan will be the only one guranateed to earn the mercy of Allah and win the reward of Paradise
. Kaffirs will burn in hell while Pakistani will enjoy the Hours till eternity. Eat your heart out, We are Allah’s favourite creation.
- Posted by Amir Khan GubodoerI like to tell my Indian friends that Pakistan is not going to disappear, Pak has suffered through worst times than this and we will come through this too, we always do we are PAKISTANIS. I do admire India for their economic growth I hope you guys do well in the future too, I also hope that Pak will soon get back on it’s feet and continue with the growth it saw for the past 6-7 years.
- Posted by HRI think it’s in India’s best interest to help and guide Pak through these tough times instead of gloating, cause if you are a student of history you would know that nothing stays the same. Pakistan Zindabad
People like Sadia truly represents the mindset of Pakistanis. Having lost any faith in their country, now they are praying that India break up. Look at what Sadia has written, “INDIA HAS 20 INSURGENCIES” Ha ha ha ha and even Tamil Nadu is included!!!!!. At least Pakistanis have got something to dream when they go to bed hungry.
- Posted by ManuHey Guys, why are we talking about pakistan, we should be talking on lines with US, UK, France, Russia and atleast China, stop wasting our precious time bad mouthing about pakistan.
- Posted by Tom Alter@ the likes of sarrosh and sadia
PLEASE join a course in History…..you people seem to be awfully weak at it. To get a few basic facts right
1. India is one of oldest surviving civilizations in the world, Hinduism one of the oldest surviving religions (along with Judaism and Confucianism, perhaps some more). Indian civilization and culture certainly predates the arrival of the Muslim invaders, and even the arrival of the Aryans way back around the 15th century BC).
2. The Muslim rule in India was not 1000 years long, but around 600 years (12th to 18th century AD). Although they produced some outstanding leaders like Akbar and some outstanding monuments like the Taj Mahal, most of them were intolerant tyrants. Aurangzeb is an ideal example. He killed his brothers and imprisoned his father to ascend to the throne. Then he introduced draconian penalties on non-Muslims, including a tax for not being Muslim! Thus enforcing conversion (which can be called ‘forced’ today).
3. If they had got time from womanizing and wine-drinking (like Jahangir) and focused on governance, maybe we would have had the technology to repel the British when they came in the 16th and 17th centuries.
Having said this, I would say that I bear no ill towards any nation or people on this planet. But you guys should respect facts for what they are, and stop creating history of your own.
- Posted by NVDLearn to call a spade a spade!
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Indian bomb is indigenous, thus the world recognized it.
Pakistan’s bomb is actually chinese bomb, with probably green paint to make it look paki.
Indian scientists are world class.
Pakistani scientists are actually thiefs, who steal nuclear technology.
Pakistan cannot expect to be rewarded for spreading militancy in Afghanistan.
India is united nation and all religions have equal rights.
I am a muslim and have never been discriminated in India.
All religions should be respected.
Any state that tried to stay togather by hatred will never survive.
INDIA IS GREAT.
- Posted by Salim