Facing up to “the war in Pakistan”

September 14, 2008

Masked pro-Taliban Pakistani militantsThere has been much hesitation in the world’s media about how to label U.S. military action inside Pakistan’s borders, including a reported ground raid and a series of missile strikes. Do you call it an “invasion”? Or use the more innocuous-sounding “intervention”? In an editorial, the Washington Post gives it a name which is rather striking in its directness. It calls it quite simply, The War in Pakistan.

President George W. Bush’s reported decision in July to step up attacks by U.S. forces in Pakistan’s tribal areas, the newspaper says, was both necessary and long overdue. It acknowledges there is a risk the strikes might prompt a breach between the U.S. and Pakistani armies, or destabilize the new civilian government in Pakistan. But, it says, ”no risk to Pakistan’s political system or its U.S. relations is greater than that of a second 9/11 staged from the tribal territories. U.S. missile and commando attacks must be backed by the best intelligence and must minimize civilian casualties. But they must continue.”

Others are lining up to condemn the new U.S. strategy in Pakistan.

Protesting against U.S. strikes“The Americans are probably right in claiming that Al-Qaeda and the Taleban have regrouped and using bases in Pakistan to launch cross-border raids into Afghanistan,” says Saudi-based Arab News. “They are certainly right in thinking that there will be no peace in Afghanistan while that remains the case. But they have to let the Pakistanis deal with this. If they continue the raids, they risk not merely losing what dwindling support they have in Pakistan but, far worse, alienating the country so thoroughly than no government even vaguely sympathetic to the US and the West can survive there.”

Pakistan’s Daily Times takes this argument further by suggesting that if public opinion turns even more against the United States, “the country will become more vulnerable to Al Qaeda and we will face unpredictable odds. According to nuclear theory, Pakistan is a nuclear power and cannot be attacked. If the US attacks Pakistani territory, battles with the Pakistan army, stops military assistance to Pakistan, and thus ends up making Al Qaeda supreme in Pakistan, the nuclear theory might then apply to Al Qaeda.”

In the Huffington Post, Shuja Nawaz writes that “the next time the US physically invades Pakistani territory to take out suspected militants, it may meet the Pakistan army head on. Or it may face a complete cut-off of war supplies and fuel in Afghanistan via Pakistan. With only two weeks supply of fuel available to its forces inside Afghanistan and no alternative route currently available, the war in Afghanistan may come to a screeching halt.”

Nawaz adds that both Pakistan and the United States need to rethink their actions. ”Otherwise, the US will not only lose an ally in Pakistan but ignite a conflagration inside that huge and nuclear-armed country that will make the war in Afghanistan seem like a Sunday hike in the Hindu Kush.”

Scary stuff then, with lots of massive risks being talked about on both sides of the argument, from another 9/11 to al Qaeda taking charge of Pakistan.

So here is a completely different view from Juan Cole in Informed Comment. “The original al Qaeda is defeated,” he says.  Do read his post before leaping to judgment on this assertion, as he makes some interesting points, including arguing that the Taliban are driven more by Pashtun nationalism than by a desire to spread terrorism around the world.

“Although the US is worried about the Arab volunteers who take refuge among the resurgent Taliban, they are a tiny element and cannot easily launch international terrorist operations from FATA (Pakistan’s Federally Administered Tribal Areas),” he writes. Based on an analysis of al Qaeda’s capabilities around the world, including in Iraq, he concludes; “For now, our war is over. Time to come home, and train and fund locals to do the clean-up work.”

Just suppose for a minute that his argument were to turn out to be correct. Then is the United States opening up a third front after Iraq and Afghanistan, but this time on the territory of a nuclear-armed country, for the wrong reasons?

Comments

Waging war against the nuclear armed terrorist state of Pakistan is the duty of every freedom loving man and woman on this earth. Nuking these lowly, lying scoundrels would be a start.

Posted by Neon | Report as abusive
 

If a Pakistani gunship had killed 20+ American civillians on US soil the US and half the world would be up in arms against the “Terrorist” regime who commited such a barbaric act. The fact that its the US that killed the Pakistani Civillians has got people trying to justify further action let alone condemming the attacks that have happened (needless to say there was no apology for the civilians killed)

Like it or not, and know it or not the majority of people in the West believe that American blood is worth more than Muslim/Pakistani blood. Untill this bias in the people and the media is stopped there will never be peace justice in any part of the world..

Posted by aeb | Report as abusive
 

If Obama becomes the next US president & Advani leads BJP to landslide victory in India…. Then dear Pakistanis your country is gonna Rest in Peace (RIP)…. You the country of all international terrorist outfits is a shame to the whole world… Insallah Yeh Haarami Mulk kho Zabak Dikhaana… Ise Duniya sey Mittaana..

Posted by Waseem | Report as abusive
 

dear americans,
Please use green and clean nuclear weapons while nuking Pakistan.
Coz we peace-loving Indians and Afghans are in the neighborhood. Dont nuke poor Baloch-Sindh ppl..just the punjabi scum..Good luck with the nuke though..use it carefully..I hope u will..

Posted by Angry_Indian | Report as abusive
 

i am sick of hearing that innocent civilians were killed by US in covert strikes in Waziristan. Why the fuk in the name of GOD will highly trained US Seals & Delta go on a dangerous Paki territory full of filthy Al-Queda scum to kill a couple of women and children. If they want to kill women and children hypothetically speaking..they could have given some dollars to Paki troops..they would have dun it themselves. You conspiracy theory addicted Islamic junks wont get it ..will ya..Its true that unplanned close support missions in Afghanistan led to death of 90 or so civilians..that too misguided by malicious informants(probably Taliban or ISI). But the Pak mission is a pre-planned mission, I wouldnt buy the argument that those people are innocent. It is also possible that after the strike for info war purposes..the Al-Queda themselves killed women and children and put them in those targeted houses to enrage Pak public after the strike. Or they could be “n”th local young wife and children of old Haqqani or his son that were killed in the strike. Between Taliban also recruits very young children as fighters(I have seen cute young 12-13 yrs old Taliban fighters in photos), so Seal team 6 might have encountered them in firefight. I hope the pakis got the point instead of painting things black and white.

Posted by Angry_Indian | Report as abusive
 

@aeb,

No one will bother Pakistan if Pakistanis keep terrorists within their own country and spend their energy to develop their nation than sending terrorists in the name of freedom fighting to neighbouring countries. World is worried about Pakistan coz, Pakistan is exporting terrorists to Afghanistan, India and rest of the world. Fix your home first before fixing Afghanistan or Kashmir and clean your country of terrorists. You sow and cultivate terrorists and you reap terrorists. It’s like mosquitoes, mosquitoes bite people and trouble them till it become unbearable when we have to close the gutter from where these mosquitoes originate.

Posted by Sudhir | Report as abusive
 

“Sudhir”

Firstly allow me to mention I am not Pakistani, and my certain red passport is something people in your country (Your Bias and hate shows as India) would kill for.

Allow me to congratulate you on an eloquent and well constructed argument. If you can get over your blinding bias you will realise the Pakistan government arnt sending terrorists to other countries. They became an enemy to terrorists and a target themselves by supporting the US in the “War on Terror”.

As for “keep terrorists in your own country” as anyone with the slightest knowledge on the logistics of international relations would know, managing borders is a JOINT responsibility – something the majority of people on this, and the reuters jounalists seem to have forgotten.

Whichever side on would lean towards in this argument i honestly do hope you (and a lot of others on this) can at the very least rise above the blatent hate you have for each other (leading to inevitble bias). It is exactly this hate that you have been taught, and will no doubt teach to generations after you which create and fuel the extremist (on both sides) attitudes and behaviours we face today

Posted by aeb | Report as abusive
 

Some of the comments here ae really hilarious. some pakistani’s here are just ready for war . these low life’s are talking about statistical data on nuclear power of pak and people killed by US wars. To be frank pak nuclear warheads can hardly reach india(u can confirm this on any encyclopedia eg wikipedia). So dont fantasize about any nuke war. Because of some braindead people pakistan is on the verge of self destruction.

whereas US is taking advantage of this fact. Does anyone think US will go raidin Russia on the lookout for some terrorist operatives???

Pakistan should start taking control of its own country. they should take an example from middle-eastern countries,even they are muslim states. they have unity in themselves.

Right now “pakistan is the enemy of pakistan”

Posted by concerned | Report as abusive
 

oh and “angry Indian” when international news agencies, the pakistani army, those from surrounding villages AND international observers all confirm reports civillians where killed and you out of the blue deny it…….it makes u seem rather like a “conspiracy theory addicted Islamic junk”

This debate seems to have become more of a battleground for you (alongside other indians) and pakistanis to vent your ageold ethnic tensions. Reuters comments are for people to put thier views and arguments foward. Not their hates and prejeducices, many comments i have read should be barred

Posted by aeb | Report as abusive
 

Please spare everyone sob stories about the saintly, peace-loving Hindu nation. You guys have more than your fair share of madmen who in the name of their religion have repeatedly murdered, burnt and looted Christians, Sikhs and Muslims, many times with the cooperation of local authorities – all this despite your much-vaunted oft-spouted secularism.

Terrorists are criminals regardless of the cause/religion/philosophy they exploit to justify their actions. They should be dealt with as the murderers they are. So let the Indian apologists hunt down their own fanatics – instead of voting them into power! Let Pakistan deal with its own extremists.

These extremists are a legacy of the Afghan war, when US dollars recruited, trained and funded local and foreign mercenaries, rallying them under the banner of jihad. Once the war ended, the US conveniently withdrew, leaving behind a mess that has festered into the extremism that is rampant in that region today.

The focus of the Pakistan Army is on cleaning up the spillover of this mess into Pakistan (pls note in addition to militancy, the Afghan war and Pakistan’s role as ally led to a huge influx of refugees, weapons and heroin, with all its consequences).

This time round the US should learn a lesson from the past and cooperate in an effective and timely manner with the Pakistani authorities to implement the kind of ‘hearts and minds’ campaign that is required in addition to military support to defeat extremism in the entire region.

Cheap Hollywood stunts like border invasions and killing civilians is hardly a way to win people over to your side and will only fuel more anti-US reactions, if not actually trigger a full-scale war in the entire region.

Instead of babbling about Muslim terrorists in the hysterical fashion some people affect, let us instead discuss ways of making the war against terrorists more effective – in this particular case, the terrorists who conveniently exploit the banner of Islam to justify their crimes.

Posted by A R Nizami | Report as abusive
 

Ali shows that we can all get along if we have a common ground of respect…i hope that the nation of Pakistan understands that America (USA) does not dislike Pakistan. We do not wish harm to Pakistan, America has to remove the terrorists who celebrate 911 and keep Bin Laden and his followers safe in Pakistan, Yes no mystery as to where AL Queada and Taliban are. Yes Ali shows that he and I can discuss these matters as thinking people and understand one another.
There is no reason the Army of Pakistan (AP)cannot work with NATO and USA unless some in the AP are violently hostile to the USA. If so we must get these battles over with, so the world can live in Peace once again. The world would like to see India and Pakistan live in peace for we all know what happens if India and Pakistan destroy each other with nuclear weapons…We would miss and regret the loss of both these cultures. Please try to get along indian and pakistan.
–Cynara– I bother you no more messengers.

Posted by Cynara Derr | Report as abusive
 

one more thing, this room of messages should be copied and studied by all sides…with some understanding maybe all sides can draw up a peace plan and settle differences at the negotiations table…men of quality want to live and enjoy what they have. there is no reason to fight to the death. we have to live in peace or we all suffer and fear each day we walk in a marketplace. remember the mad bombers kill innocent people…all people should remove the mad bombers from their societies… it is very important. you all have done well to explain your views… you do so in hopes the other side listens to you so that they do not attack you… i understand this well.
-cynara is finished and thanks you all again.

Posted by Cynara Derr | Report as abusive
 

Cynara
I apologize again for my choice of bad words last time. Your recent post is even better. Thanks and i also share your views.

Posted by UMPK | Report as abusive
 

Pakistan is a terrorist state. I am sure everybody knows that deep down. Now about US attacking Pakistan territory. What else would u have them do? On one hand Pakistan asks for F16s to fight terrorists which is quite laughable on the other hand they make dubious peace deals. We all know what those f16s are for (ask Indian pilots). Now about the so called Pakistani effort. Hmm….Its quite simple, they don’t have any control over that territory and at the same time they need to do just about enough to keep everyone calm. So yeah they have a few battles up their sleeves but just not enough to remove Taliban because thats not what they want anyway. Anyone can see through their double game if they really try to understand Pakistan. As for some one calling India a gutter hole…..well at least now we know there is something far worse than a gutter hole. Pakistan is an foreign aid based economy. The least it can do as any self respecting country is not brag about it.

Posted by Indian | Report as abusive
 

i wish to one person from india talks about peace
read all above posted articles from indians all full of hate and suggtions to kill innnocent people what a shame and what shameful nation

Posted by arsh | Report as abusive
 

I notice that most of you have no problem with mass murder in the furtherance of geopolitical objectives–commonly known as war–as long as you don’t have to fight in it. Your ignorance about the real nature of the “war on terror” is almost laughable. And your macho posturing isn’t a substitute for action, however you may define it. Just remember: Threats are useless, facts are facts, and payment is often expensive. Keep pouring gasoline on the fire and watch the world ignite.

Posted by Arch Stanton | Report as abusive
 

I know the solution to this series of unwinnable wars: another unwinnable war! It’s genius. Or stupid. But so stupid it just might work!

How is there anybody in the world today that is not tired of all the fighting over bones in the sand? I swear the leaders of all our nations simply do not get laid enough. I cannot think of any other reason they are so endlessly filled with vitriol over anything and everything. We agree that terrorism is the most soulless act; yet we punish it by “shock and awe” shows of force? We agree that terrorism presents threats to our global institutions, so we rip those institutions apart for the sake of fighting wars to oppose those threats? Of course we have to fight Pakistan, we say–they threaten global stability, even if that itself means threatening global stability. It really gets to be tiring.

I believe we are only as strong as our belief in strong global institutions. This makes me a starry-eyed idealist, somehow. Yet who is more delusional? Every time in which global institutions have been strong (like immediately after the Napoleonic Wars, or after World War II) despite strong incentives for war, there has been peace. Every time they are weak (like after World War I and, well, right now) wars spring up faster than we have names for them.

Do nations sometimes have no recourse but to go to war with other nations? Doesn’t that question contain within it an assumed rationale for war? What war has had this little thing, a proper basis, in the past century–or ever? If we stop making bombs, our enemies won’t. That’s the argument. But every time two nations sit at the negotiating table, they find it surprisingly easy to decide to stop making bombs; the one thing leaders can always agree on is the terrible burden placed on them by war. But how do you get these nations to sit down in the first place? Oh yeah, that’s right, strong global institutions!

Bellicose despots like my country’s president, G.W., are so few and far between. That’s why when he looked around for countries to attack all he could find was a desert nation which, after ten years of sanction-inspired neglect was already in ruins. (And we creamed them! Go America!) Which brings us around to the central question: what do you do with a bully? Do you ignore him? Do you stand up to him? I don’t know the answer to this question, but the worst fate of all is to become a bully for being bullied. Don’t you think?

Posted by Ben | Report as abusive
 

Mr Arsh,
Those days gone when Indian spoke and practice about non-violence and Gandhian cowardice thought.Our enemies has taken enough advantage of our peaceful policies.their cruelty has no match in the history of world(what they have done to hindus).They (muslim invader) destroyed india’s culture ,relegion and social integrity by bloody wars.They converted innocent weaponless hindus to Muslims by bloodshed.Its all becoz of too much non-violence practice.
We Indian want the peace ,we worship it and practiced it for centuaries but cruel invaders never respected us.Their hunger for peaceful hindus blood hasn’t yet satisfied.They are still bombings India.
Muslim terrorists and Invaders forced us to change our policy.Cruel muslims terrorists can only be defeated by Superviolence.We can’t forgive them anymore.Time is changing and this is messege to Muslim terrorists,we’ll not only gonna destroy you but your entire wellwisher and producers are also going to hell.
Your Celebration time is over.your journey to hell would bigin very soon evils.

Posted by Kumar | Report as abusive
 

The US is not going to solve the terrorist problem with a military solution. The more people the US kills in central Asia, the more terrorists are made. The solution, if there is any, is going to have to be political.
First, we Americans need to listen to what are enemies are saying, and then, we need to begin dialoque with them, and stop calling them terrorists for that only dehumanizes them. We don’t want them to dehumanize us, we better not dehumanize them. Dennis

Posted by Dennis | Report as abusive
 

@Dennis,

Are you mad?. Terrorists know no negotiations and don’t know humanity. They are not human beings as humans have the most developed brain than the other living beings and that differentitates them from animals. These terrorists are not born with the brain and radicals, no matter what religion they belongs to, they are always under illusion. You have to call people who plant bombs and kills innocents as animals. Calling them humans is a disgrace to humanity. The only solution i feel is to nuke terrorists training centers. Remember the second world war ended when US nuked Japan and there was peace in the world for larger part of time after that.

Posted by Sudhir | Report as abusive
 

So now it’s Pakistan.

Hell, what can I say? I had nothing to do with it — voted for the other guy (lotta good that did), marched around some (and got a parking ticket for my trouble) and generally bad-mouthed the regime to anyone even vaguely interested in listening.
So what do I get for my trouble? Sara Palin.

So let me apologise for my fellow Americans up front before things get any worse. Believe me, there are many of us who agree and feel deep shame at the actions of our “government”. As for the rest of our “countrymen”… well, Maybe Gen. Jack D. Ripper had it right the first time — It’s something in the water.

Posted by Ashamed American | Report as abusive
 

Reading through many comments posted by our american friends who think terrorists and pakistanis should be delt in some other way other than war a dialouge perhaps only shows your inexperience and immaturity in understanding who what pakistan is and who terrorists are. Learn from Indian decades of experience contain pakistan and its terrorists. Every other method has been tried only to fail. You should feel fortunate to have a administrator like Bush who can make hard decisions regarding war to protect US and its allies. You can imagine the frustration being in India lead by coward politicians who nly fear vote banks and cannot make a hard decision once but ready to leave Indian voters to suffer with terrorist strikes.

Posted by Om | Report as abusive
 

You know, I think I got something figured out.
I saw a poll from India per Indian citizens opinions about Obama.
It was like 9% Pro.
Which says to me the Indians would just love the US to trash out Pakistan for them… and then collect all the largesse from our “relief” efforts while having a trad enemy permanently erased.
Reminds me of another American relationship — the Israeli one.

Posted by Ashamed American | Report as abusive
 

Why are people bringing India into a fight between Pakistan and USA??
The Americans crossed into the border and killed a few Pakistanis. Where does India come into the picture?
Also, no one is Mr. clean.
The US and Pakistan jointly created the mujaheddin and the Taliban to oust the soviets. And now are reaping the fruits of the tree they sowed.

@ Ashamed American, which report are you talking about? Broaden your horizons my dear. Read some local Indian news too. Most of the Indians wouldn’t even know who Obama or Mcain is. As for Indians not favoring Obama, the people who actually know about Obama and Mcain in the country favor Obama and wish we had a leader like him. i dont have any research done but i have talked to people in my circle. Also you should be knowing that even Obama thinks that US should be strict with Pakistan.
And we still remember that US actually aided Pakistan in its wars against India, probably with the exception of Kargil.

@aeb, I have a certain blue passport and I am proud of it. Wouldn’t exchange for anything red.. makes me see red actually. :)
As far as managing borders is concerned, I wish you had Pakistan as a neighbor, probably then you would have understood our problems. Anyways, yes its a joint responsibility but both the parties should act responsible too. What do you do if one side doesn’t behave in an appropriate manner?
I agree with you that there are extreme views on both the sides. But can you tell me when has India behaved in an irresponsible manner with Pakistan? Also, you haven’t faced the problem of terrorism as much as the Indians have had to face and are facing even now.
Unfortunately, terrorist strikes in India do not get the kind of world media attention, which your red passport country will get. Do you have any idea how many bombs have gone off in India in this year alone?

@ Angry_Indian, there is no weapon or army created in the world which can differentiate between terrorists and civilians.
Also to some of the fellow Indians, you will do much better to write some sense rather than nuke Pakistan, won’t solve the problem dear. Perceptions will have to change.

@ Cynara, US is not the good guy anyways. US will do well not get itself involved in other countries affairs.
In the name of spreading democracy US is taking away the right of other people to decide the kind of government they want. If they want democracy, they will struggle for it and eventually get it. Don’t involve yourself and also its all double standards. When it suits the US it will support the worst of the dictators. And Iraq was all for oil not for Al-qaida.

Now back to the topic, in any war in these times when the war fought in cities and villages (urban warfare) there will be collateral damage. I am not saying this is correct but it is inevitable.
These wars are called asymmetrical warfare. The technologically weaker party takes shelter in civilian areas and hope the enemy to cause collateral damage. So that they can use those damages as a propaganda tool to affect the world view.
Also, Pakistan anyways takes military aid from US. So it will be better for them to have joint operations, an attack on the terrorists hide-out from both sides. One by the Pakistan army moving in from Punjab and the other from NATO army moving in from Afghanistan.
As for the propaganda problem, a quick decisive victory solves everything. Endure the pain as long as you dont win. After all history is written by the victorious.

Posted by Aman | Report as abusive
 

“Aman”

Firstly let me congratulate you on being pround of your passport, good for you ;)

The reasons i bring India into the debate is for the purposes of highlighting many people on this blogs blatent Bias. India has a very little – if that – role to play in the pakistan/US/Afganistan issue. It is the blatent bias of the people making the comments that infuriates me though, “Nuking these lowly, lying scoundrels would be a start” “mosquitoes” “dogs” etc, this blatent indian Bias against Pakistanis as a whole rather than terrorists does nothing but belittle themselves, embarras their nation and reduce this debating platform into an area encumbant with petty jibes and racist, frankly disgusting behaviour.

Why should US not interfere? Because it is there very tactics of careless bombing and large civilian casualties that put civillians in the same boat as the terrorists. Let alone their presence on the land igniting local tensions. The ethnic tribespeople are not terrorists (yes believe it or not some of the people on here) but independant (yes somewhat traditional)proud people. The more the Pakistani Army launches attacks and the moment a foreign force enters the land you go from fighting some terrorists to having the whole tribal areas turn against them. And in a situation where they know the mountains for generation upon generation, this is not the best of ideas by far. Pretty much the ONLY way to REMOVE the terrorists from these lands is to turn the loacals against them, much like the iraqi ‘Awakening Councils’ (Cut violence by at least 90%). As for preventing/reducing the amount of attacks from the lands the best course of action is for stringent border control, NEVER a US presence/Raid in the tribal areas – worse than shaking a Hornets Nest.
I agree it is a joint responsibility but the (reported) lack of effort on one side is never an excuse to enter anothers territory. Its harder but POSSIBLE to control the border from one side (with the use of extensive buffer zones etc).

And il agree, sadly due to the higher level of attacks, and the Bias of the media in my country i have very little appriciation for the number of terrorist attcks committed against indians. (Some also committed by indians you cannot deny). And as for India wronging Pakistan you and I both know that debate alone can last for pages and pages. But at the end of the day every civillian killed by a US airstrike are in their own way also a victim of terrorism, and as a lot of people here will not agree each victim is equal. Essentially this conflict needs to be dealt whith subtly by politicians and police not the indiscriminate missiles of the USA

Posted by aeb | Report as abusive
 

why people lecturing for terrorists now? becoz US has turned their missiles towards pakistan to destroy safe heaven of brutal Muslim terrorists.It seems like some people are desperate to raise their voices in support of muslim terrorists.where were these people when kashmir was burning for decades,Hindus were killed and tortured to leave kasmir,Muslim terrorists were bombing India targetting temples and innocent hindus.No wonder these so called humanitarian brigade or secular gentlemen sealed their lips.They didn’t bother to ask pakistan when Pakistani military and ISI conspiracy unmasked infront of world?No one is daring to say a single word to pakistan when they blasted Indian embassy in afghan killing indian officials working for afghan development.In every above mentioned events and countless terror attacks on India ,Pakistan army,Isi and Muslim terrorists were directly involved.
You people might certainly get an offer from Muslim terrorists to Join them and advocate for them.
Once again ,Pakistan is proven terrorist country.Indian is under threat from this terrorist country and we(India) must make a lead in war agaist terror to destroy terror factories and organisations producing Muslim terrorists.That would bring peace in the world including Kashmir and afghan.
US recent missile attack on Pak soil is confirmation of Indian long chatterd charge that Pakistan is behing every single Terro attack in India .Now world is saying the same becoz even they are suffering from this explosive nation.
Debate should begin on whether Pakistan should be detroyed completely or It should be ruled by International (led by Indian) forces to eradicate Militants and their factories(Mosques and Madrasas).
War On this Terrorist Nation by world is inescapable.

Posted by Kumar | Report as abusive
 

In the interim, the US loses habeaus corpus due to a war based on fraud.

Posted by Anonymous | Report as abusive
 

well America you are creating hatred within the hearts of Pakistanis for your self..this is the beginning of a new war,these Pakistani tribal people are are never gonna let you go so easily, and trust me you don’t know much of these people.

 

The fact that the Pakistanki military is now taking action against the so called inaccessible areas demonstrates that the Pakistani military establishment, including the ISI, never really wanted to take action against the militants based in Pakistan. All the wanted was the American military to be engaged and hunkered down in Afghanistan so that they can milk American tax payers of monetary subsidies. Pakistan is a failed state, with its government having no control over its military establishment and islamist insurgents running amok. No one should forget that the ISI created the Taleban in the 90s to overthrow the ruling Afghan government. Their support is very open and transperant.

Posted by Jerry | Report as abusive
 

To add to my comment above: “Pakistan is probably finding it difficult to kill the baby that it has created!”

Posted by Jerry | Report as abusive
 

This is the time to root out the real epicenter of international terrorism:INDIA. India is a hindu terrorist fanatic country, where christians are currently being slaughtered. Muslims were masacred in Gujrat, the Sikh Golden temple was destroyed, the Hindu fundamentalist terrorist do not spare anyone in this dictator India. Pakistan should gather a coalition and attack India and seek a regime change, terrorism has already taken roots in India. Hindu fundamentalists are trained and they conduct murders in the name of Hinduism.

Posted by Umair | Report as abusive
 

KUMAR
In response to your comment:”Debate should begin on whether Pakistan should be detroyed completely or It should be ruled by International (led by Indian) forces to eradicate Militants ”
PLEASE READ THE FOLLOWING:
No country on earth can destroy Pakistan, InshAllah. And if INDIA ever thinks of destroying Pakistan, well then just keep in mind one thing:
PAKISTAN IS CAPABLE OF DESTROYING INDIA WITH NUCLEAR BOMBS, PAKISTANI BOMB WAS INVENTED FOR INDIA AND INDIA ALONE. DO YOU GET IT OR NOT?????????
Pakistan Zindabad!

Posted by Umair | Report as abusive
 

A WORLD WAR III is inevitable between a Muslim Pakistan and Hindu India. PAKI POWER CRUSH INDIA.

Posted by Umair | Report as abusive
 

i agree with u UMAIR…..Pakistan is a nuclear state and we have the ability of doing much better than Indians could ever think,we are just waiting for out time. . . hey Indian don’t call the WORLD WAR-3 …this world already had enough of these wars

Posted by talha | Report as abusive
 

talha and umair, your country can’t even manufacture a screw without outside help. Please don’t make us all laugh by from one side of your mouth begging the US for more F16s, and then from the other side of your mouth threatening to use them against US troops. It’s vexing arguing with idiots, because even if you totally demolish their arguments, they still won’t realize when they’ve lost the argument. They’ll just keep blindly whining away, like the Black Knight from Monty Python.

Posted by Sanjay | Report as abusive
 

Mr.Umair,
Come out of fools paradise. No one even cares of Pakistan when it comes to international matters. When the word Pakistan comes to mind the whole world thinks about Terrorists and Jihad and nothing more. Yes, Attacks on Christians currently happening in India is to be condemned. I don’t support fanatic Hindus. Hindus are not creating terror in any other part of the world like Pakistan is doing. That happenend inside India and Indians were troubled coz of that. You Pakis were involved in London bombings and you can’t deny that. You Pakis had a hand in 9/11 and you can’t deny that either. If you keep terrorists in your country without sending them to either India, Afghanistan and the west no one will worry about Pakistan. Just imagine can Pakistan defeat India on a warfield?. It already has lost 3 wars and has its army already surrendered to Indian forces in 1971 war and lost Bangladesh(East Pakistan). It can’t fight India face to face hence indulging in terrorism and proxy war. Pakistan doesn’t want any progress and it is full of people with hatred and religious fanatics like you. By the way i would like to know about history syllabus in your schools coz Pakistan has only 60 years of history and that to all bad history.

Posted by Sudhir | Report as abusive
 

My goodness. I think this thread of answers shows what is wrong with humanity these days: Everybody is shouting, howling, and nobody tries to analyze. As a Norwegian citizen with pakistani, indian and afghani friends, I find it sad to see how the region is being exploited and the peoples of it set at each others throats. Who profits? The drug runners, the weapon merchants and the US military complex.

Unless Pakistan and India manage to grow up, they will continue to be like puppies in a game of big dogs. Pakistan has the power to kick the US out of Afghanistan by closing the supplylines. I do not understand why you stand for the americans to invade your country.

Posted by fnord | Report as abusive
 

Fnord u make some very good points

Posted by aeb | Report as abusive
 

sighs– so much for the war on terror….or to put in other words, some people do not want to eat in their kitchens but prefer war that gets them blown up in their kitchens. war is not a very good way to do international peaceful relations of people.
no more comments from me…i do not live in the areas affected by the latest violence.
i will let you all work it out.

Posted by Cynara Derr | Report as abusive
 

@aeb
Guessing from your passport, I am sure that your country doesn’t have the same problem with terrorism that India has. I am not denying that some of the terrorists are from India itself (misguided youth) the same can be said about your country also albeit at a much lower number.
By your comment I am sure you have no clue as to the number of terrorist attacks we have had this year alone.

As for blatant bias that most of the Indians have against Pakistan and vice-versa, it is sad but it is true. And the reason is frequent wars that these two have been involved in. Including one major war as recent as 1999. And few major skirmishes in this year.

Also do you even know the terrain of the boundary you are asking the two countries to manage? It is extremely porous and no army (including yours) can completely stop infiltration.

As for the debate on being a responsible citizen of this world. India has been very generous, please read about the initiatives taken by the previous and current government of India to resolve the issues. Available on Wikipedia, which I hope you wouldn’t call biased. Search for Kargil War and Indo-Pakistani relations. I am suggesting this because before commenting on anything, one should have sufficient knowledge, especially since you come across as a reasonable person.
I should say unlike the most on this forum, including many Indians.

I still stand by my previous comment, Pakistan and US should jointly fight this war. Indo-Pak relations can be improved later, it will happen sometime in future, but unfortunately that future looks quite far.

Anyways, defeating the terrorists is of prime importance now. I would say united we win, divided we lose.

Posted by Aman | Report as abusive
 

Cynara Derr.
KEEP IT UP,you have all the rights, these pakistani terrorists have lived for long like leeches,parasites & fed fat on hard-earned billions of dollars of american taxpayers money & see how these ungrateful,saditic morons dance on 9/11, kill brave american soldiers gleefully,let’s declare pakistan a terrorist state, be rest assured they all the same, pakistan is a born terrorist state.
pakistan murdabad!

Posted by Indian | Report as abusive
 

India is a hindu fundamentalist terrorist state, fanatics are killing christians, muslim Kashmiris have risen up against hindu fundamentalist rule, Sikhs hate hindu fanatics, the war mongerers kill in Gujarat, Dalit low caste hindus are persecuted, HIV-AIDS on the rise, the country of slums and heap of garbage INDIA needs to be destroyed by PAKISTAN. Lets declare war on the epicenter of terrorism :INDIA. We need to liberate the oppressed people of India from terrorist hindus.

Posted by Umair | Report as abusive
 

the snake pit called pakistan is suffering from a host of Psychiatric,sadistic & Delusional Disorders-
Paranoid Schizophrenia,Dyspareunia,IndianAgorapho bia,
KashmirParaphilias,Hindumania,Americanop hobia…..
they are begging for American Missile Bomb pills & thankfully atlast the Americans are taking pity & obliging them,with booooommmmmmm Islamabad.

Posted by Indian | Report as abusive
 

Well ,there is no wonder why Pakistani Muslim Terrorists are getting mad.They have done too much killings of innocent people in their cowardice terrorist attcks.But time is over for their cruelty and brutal terror game,They are about to start their journey to hell.Bu don’t worry Bloody Muslim Terrorists we are putting every effort to ensure your smooth transportaion to hell.
Some of these has gone psyche and some might commit suicide before we will kick them to hell.But there is one good NEWS for you BLOODY MUSLIM TERRORISTS.WE GONNA ERASE THE NAME OF HELLBOY (The name for whom you Bloody Muslim Trrorist commit Jihad) from this planet and we’ll make sure you find him in the right place(HELL) with you Coward Muslim Terrorists.
Oh, I forgot,We all know “EVILS (MUSLIM TERRORISTS) HAVE GOT NUKES AND MISSILES”.Thats why we’ll make sure ur departure to hell would be accompnished by your own smuggled nukes and begged missiles.
And about Indian Hindu my boy ,wait until we departure you all to hell then ask your HELLBOY .He would certainly explain why Indians (Hindus)are Great.

Posted by Kumar | Report as abusive
 

The US is wrong, the US is doomed. Eight years of Bush administration have led to a chaos. Terrorism is such an lame excuse for not addressing the real problems : economic problems, the banking system on the verge of exploding. Who are the terrorists ? Isn’t the American banking system full of white-collar terrorists ? Wars are being waged in Irak, in Afghanistan, and maybe elsewhere in a near future to make you forget what has become of America. And the American people still hopes to be praised for it ! just don’t be blind !

Posted by toto | Report as abusive
 

you people have got to calm down and talk to your governments more about how to have meetings with different cultures…if you only shout and scream at each other of course there will be rock throwing and then bomb throwing. America does not seek war. the USA has some growing up to do in some areas of the world and how to be a neutral 3rd party to international rivalries but there are certain situations when the usa has to go to war. it is not fair to say the usa is wrong in such cases…review your information and always try to get many sources of info for your views…may god help you all in your quest for peace…good bye. live in peace please. – - cynara

Posted by Cynara Derr | Report as abusive
 

pakistan is a valid situation where the usa has to go to war, it’s in a desparate need of some bomb throwing- Americans boooommmmm pak boooommmmm.

Posted by Indian | Report as abusive
 

lol

Posted by Indian | Report as abusive
 

nice comments

Posted by Aamir | Report as abusive
 

Something that I don’t understand is that last I checked borders are a two way road. So why can’t the supposed best military in the world stop the incursions INTO Afghanistan by the Taliban and expect Pakistan to prevent incursions from their side.

The only conclusion that I can reach is that the terrain is highly treachorous and not even the US can stop incursions. Hell they can’t even stop the illegal immigrants coming in with no guns.

Posted by Mr. T | Report as abusive
 

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