Does the salvation of Pakistan’s economy lie in India?

October 8, 2008

President Asif Ali ZardariPakistan’s economy has survived three wars with India and a long history of tension with its much bigger neighbour. But this time its own domestic economic and political problems, combined with tension on the border with Afghanistan, are running smack into a global financial crisis that will make it harder for its traditional allies to bail it out.

So is it time to break the taboos and ask: Does Pakistan’s best hope of economic recovery lie in making peace with India?

President Asif Ali Zardari certainly seemed to think so when he told the Wall Street Journal in an interview last weekend that India was no threat to Pakistan and said that “there is no other economic survival for nations like us. We have to trade with our neighbours first.”

India’s Business Standard says in an editorial that Zardari is right to say India is no threat and that Pakistan needs to focus on reviving its economy. “The question, though, is not what President Zardari thinks about these issues, but whether the larger Pakistani establishment (including, most importantly, the army) shares his perspectives. At the moment, Mr Zardari seems to be running ahead of the pack,” it says.

India too is beginning to worry about the impact on its own economy of the global financial crisis, as these articles in the Hindustan Times and the Economic Times suggest. So it might also welcome the advantages of higher regional trade.

A chance for peace?

Comments

zorkor
You suffer from Indophobia

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Dr.Wahid Baloch
Be rest assured all Indian are committed to the Balochi cause, we owe it to ‘The Frontier Gandhi’
Balkanization of Pakistan is an inevitable reality..
e are aare they have sold Balochistan to communist china.

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i have gr8 respect for baluch people infact i have plenty of frds as well from baluchistan in various social websites very frdly people just feel sick because of the fact that there country has been merged wrongly and by force by this sick pakistani facist army

a day will soon come when the whole world will see baluchistan as a seprate nation suban allah

AMEEN

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And for all those morrons who are saying that india has a trade deficit with pakistan lolzzz

stop watching pee tv and geo tv so much losers

infact it is the other way around
Pakistan’s trade deficit with India at $894 mn- Foreign Trade

go to google and type this statement and find it from urself losers haha

next time get ur facts write and then comment

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Kashmir is the center of controversy…

Free this disturbed aera of indian military occupation and evrything is possible – even the reunification of the sub-continent, the end of borders & brotherhood between Pakistan and Hindustan.

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Dear Indian Brothers ,
Unlike Punjabis we Balochis are secular people , after partition of India, hindus were butchered in Punjab and Sindh , templese were desecrated by Jihadi mobs , women were raped . Whereas in Baluch we have protected Hindus , even today , famous Hinglaj temple still exists there which is one of the saktis . In 2005 36 hindus were killed by pakistani millitary bombing ,(http://baltimore.indymedia.org/mod/com ments/display/13078/index.php) which include women and children, so weired and shocking to see a meek and passive attitude of Indian government to these henious kilings , unlike pakistans proactive interference in your country for Muslim cause .

AFTER 60 YEARS WE GOT THIS UNDER THE NAME OF ISLAM :

Literacy

The Balochistan province has 26.6 percent literacy against the national average of 47 percent and the corresponding figures of female literacy are 15 percent and 33 percent.

Sanitation facilities

The country provides sanitation facilities to 18 percent of the population against only 7 percent in Balochistan.

Infant mortality rate

The infant mortality rate in the country is 100 (per 1,000 live births), whereas Balochistan has 108. The national mother mortality rate is 350 (per 100,000) and the province has a frighteningly high 600.

Electricity

75 percent of the villages of the country are electrified but only 25 percent in Balochistan.

Poverty
According to the Pakistan Integrated Household Survey 2001-02, Balochistan has the highest poor population with 48 percent and the worst in rural areas with 51 percent living below the poverty line. There are only 32 Utility Stores throughout the province whereas Islamabad alone has 34 Utility Stores.
Unemployment

Unemployment rate in Balochistan province is recorded around 33.4 per cent as compared to 26.8 per cent in NWFP, 19.1 per cent in Punjab and 14.4 per cent in Sindh.

Usage of Open ponds for drinking water

According to PSLM 2004-5, 52 per cent in Balochistan as compare of three per cent in Punjab, 13 in Sindh, 35 per cent in NWFP use wells and open ponds for drinking water.

Percapita GDP raise over 28 years

The Social Policy and Development Centre (SPDC) recently conducted a study that exposed that during the 28 years period, Punjab’s per capita GDP showed a rise of 2.4 per cent a year, followed closely by the NWFP at 2.2 per cent. But Balochistan’s per capita recorded an insignificant growth of 0.2 per cent against Sindh’s per capita growth of 1.7 per cent. The study has found a gradual pauperisation of the two southern provinces —- Sindh and Balochistan -— and a corresponding rise in prosperity in the two northern provinces -— Punjab and the NWFP

We request your moral support to our cause an spread awarness in India and around the globe .

Dr.Wahid Baloch
President
Baloch Society of North America
Email : dr_wahid_baloch@email.com

http://bso-na.org

 

In Pakistan each and every child is taught to hate India. Pakistan will cease to exist the day Pakistanis are taught the true history. Nuclear weapons alone can not save Pakistan. China won’t save Paksitan. Next time a war starts between India and China, it will be a nuclear war for sure. May be India will loose many of her cities, Pakistan will be totally wiped off the map of Earth. China and USA could save Pakistan in 1971. Only option for India and Pakistan is to realise the truth and live like two friendly nations next to each other. Let there be free travel and trade between India, Pakistan and Bangladesh. Saudi horse traders will never support Pakis except paying lip service.

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Lets cut the chase and get to the gist…

Which country in S. Asia

1) Has starvations, where 6000 children die EVERY DAY of starvation?

2) Which country in S. Asia has produced the biggest slums in the universe?

Google would be a good place to start.
Thanks

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Dr. Wahid Baloch,

Lamenting to the Indians wont make things better for you. I agree there are issues that need to be resolved even though so many years have gone by. These issues would be best resolved within Pakistan.

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I have read the blogs. Please whosoever has been talking about mohammad gazni and stuff is not in current reality. Muslims in India are a part of our society and their progress is our progress and we should not in anyway demean them.

I am surprised that so many pakistanis have misconceptions about india. Yes there is poverty in India. Yes there is communal tension in India and we are trying to resolve it. I have seen with my own eyes a hindu doctor in ahmedabad going into the muslim community and helping them with medicines. I have seen a hindu hugging a muslim on Id and preparing sevai at their own place. When the media takes part in forming an opinion, it concentrates more on the negatives than the positives. We as indians have fought amongst ourselves but have compassion for each other.
I am sure that balochistan might have suffered but there is no way balochistan can help itself by asking help from India. Balochistan is a part of pakistan and whatever has happened in the past needs to be forgotten. The heads in balochistan need to work with the pakistani governent to bring forward and solve these problems. I am sure there would be compassionate pakistanis as there are compassionate indians.

Please whosoever is talking of wiping of pakistan needs to take some lessons to control his/her anger. Pakistan is our neighbor and will remain our neighbor. An unstable, illiterate pakistan or a failed democracy in pakistan is going to create problems for both pakistanis and indians.

One more thing that I want to say is that madrassa is not synonymous to places where they instigate jehad. I have seen madrassas which are nothing but schools where they teach Islam. It depends upon the teachers how they impart Islam. There are good things and bad things that can be taught. Jehad or “Holy War” might be a reality in 7th or 8th century but with the current world, it is not. Nobody gains from a war except those who sell the machines.

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keval shah,
You are trying to be nutral which is good for internal peace of country but this is exactly the same issue why we are in this Kashmir mess. If Nehru had taken the position which Patel took then we would have not been in this mess. Dr.Wahid Baloch pointed out why does govt of India plays a passive role when hindu’s are killed in Pakistan. Indian govt should take these events seriously and take up these issues to the UN. The solution to the Pakistan problem is India needs to economically progress so much that Pakistan does not dare to even give one negative comment against India, just like US and Mexico. I think Indian leadership has been working on the same solution. If look at the situation today.
1) Pakistanis want to come to India to get popular and earn bread for their family
2) Pakistan is a verge of getting bankrupt
3) India’s focus is improving economy then getting into border disputes and regional fights
4) Most of Pakistani friends I talk to are sensible non radical and recognize this fact

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Every pakis talking about This thing manytimes .

“Pakistan has survived three wars against India ” ,Come on Folks it is very funny .
Pakistan has not survived three wars against India , pakistan has lost three wars with india and we libarated Bangaldesis and even ocupied 15000 kilometers of pakis land in 2 nd war . but indira gandhi , thum logonko Bhik me dediay. Now u pakis have N weapons that means u cannot threat us, if we strike back , ur pakistan will
be wiped out in half a day. Just remember if we Hindus really hate muslims in india then cannot survive in india for one day.
Do u know how many pakis in North america says that they are from India .
90 % hindus india think that Muslims should have left india while partition .

why they did not leave india?

U guys are asking independent Kashmir yes we will give it on one conditions , all muslims should leave india after independent kashmir , it that ok.
What diffrence it made after we gave independent pakistan, you guys still hate us . Muslims india we call them GADDARS , they live india and eat inidia support pakis because u r muslims .

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Ooh! lots of discussion.
One thing is remaining. We Muslims of Pakistan Love every Muslim living in India and it is not because of money or economy we damn care about eating or luxury. It is a true fact that the past leaders of Pakistan was someway responsible for the current position of pakistan but still if we have to give our lives to support the Muslims of the world I think nobody will hesitate and is the sole reason why the rest of the world is scared of Muslims.
Last but not the least in the past every time we offered to make you friend but Indians ever compared us with money and power.
We do not believe on Man’s Power we believe on Allah Power. And sooner or later you will understand this fact.

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I see some paki sympathetic statements from Indians on this forum , probably they seem to be cousines of punjabis . You indians have to deal with Punjabis with or without balkanisation . One thing Indians should keep in mind is that all energy pipelines should pass through Balochistan , whether they are from central asia or Iran , and they will be allowed ONLY at the good will of baluch people . Therefore try to build good will with baluch rather being sympathetic to punjabi cousines.

Sameera Baluch

 

what a sad, pathetic, angry bunch of people. there is no class in the things said here by either ‘side’. is there a point to an education or to exposure, if all you can do is fling some pretty rotten insults? YUK.

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Mr Ray… sorry to tell you..muslims never had any respect for me to strip them of respect..

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INDIA–THE LARGEST DEMOCRACY IN THE WORLD.
These hindus must realize that restricting their media in not convering gujarat massacre, christian massacre in ossam, and muslim massacre i kashmir is not DEMOCRATIC.
INDIA IS RIGHT NOW CALLED THE RICH MAN CITY SURROUNDED BY SLUMS.
Indian wealthy members are right now living in luxurious flats, while more than 75 PERCENT of its people is living in poverty.
india hosts some of the biggest slums.
MAOISTS REGIMES ARE RISING IN INDIA.
they know the way india is going, india will be in poverty for so long.

SO INDIANS, REALIZE SOMETHING.
PAKISTAN, despite its wars, is still alive.

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Muhammad Suhaib Qaiser:
Reality check 1. The only reason Pakistan shows allegiance to Indian Muslims is for the disruption in India. Otherwise Indian Muslims are considered Mojahirs are they not? So much for laying down your lives and other rhetoric crap in your post.
Reality Check 2: Pakistan’s continued sponsoring terrorist activities in India using Indian Muslims is having the exact opposite effect. Every bombing, every subversive activity conducted within India by the failed state of Pakistan further isolates the minority Muslims. Even moderate Indians are reconsidering their views. What is happening in fact is Hindu Fundamentalism is rising every day and this shift can only make Muslims in India more vulnerable than they already are. Still think Indians are “scared” of Muslims? Or is it the other way around?
Your comments clearly show what in essence has become a trademark of Pakistan: Raising Madarassa educated simpletons who are not in touch with the real world. To paraphrase your own words: “And sooner or later YOU will understand this fact”.

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also, to these hindu extremists, who call muslims alienated parts of india, DONT THINK THAT DOING SO WILL MAKE YOU ACCEPTED IN THE “WHITE SUPREMACY” GROUP. after every attack is mainly indians who are targeted in the west racially for their looks.

FIRST WORRY ABOUT YOURR CASTE SYSTEM AND THEN MAKE BIASED COMMENTS ABOUT MADRASSAS.

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India the new darling of America is nothing more then a forward base of US to contain China. That being said a lot about India is not reported in the westen media for obvious reasons… But a quick search on Human Rights Web site will reveal volumes on the subject. Like HRW there are many other orgs that can fill a library.

India by no stretch of imagination is in a position to point fingers at its neighbbors be it terrorism or home grown violence, e.g. killings of Sikhs, Muslims, Christians, the subhuamn treatment of low caste dalits, etc…. Look what Indian terrorism has done to Sri Lanka and now its fingerprints are seen in western Pakistan.

It would be advisabe that Indians worry about India where millions starve each day and let its neighbors mind their own business.

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Amir, India is trying to be accepted in white supremacy group..it is infact pakistan..pakistan is killing muslims in tribal area to please the white supremacy group. You cannot deny pakistan is killing more muslims than India or any other country as a fact.why ?? beacuse they are terrorists, anti social groups. India is doing the same in Gujurat and orissa.. Only difference is Pakistan has cover to kill muslims because they are labelled as terrorists by white supremacy group.India is also doing the same with out that label..because the Indian cause is to make India free from terrorists and do not long for cover..but pakistan wants it to please whites and suck out more $$$$..understand ???

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Dr.Wahid Baloch,

Thank you for the awareness..I suggest you personally visit Indian embassy in US and ask for help..when India can help Afganistan and Palestain..am sure Baluchistan will be viewed in the same lines to extend an helping hand to liberate Baluchistan from pakistan.

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amir , here is one thing muslims in india living way better life than they get in pakistan. Yes there are bigger slums but these slums they have a job to work and they feed thems selvs . but in your pakistan case, you are begging money , you have been depending on USA ‘s
money and by bluffing them that you are using this money to fight againest terrorism . but you are using this money to buy new aircarfts , when your people of hungry why do u need weapons , can you eat nuclear weapon or aircraft. Pakistan is going for bankrupt or
it is going ahead to slefdistruction . pakis used terrorists to destabilize india but these terrorist are destabilizing your own country .

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indian raw afghanistan and israel mosaid is helping out baluch people in there freedom strugle against the facist pokistani army a day will come when my baluch frds will gain independence that day is not far away guys there are predicitions that india and pokistan will fight a war in few years to come if a war does happen then this time i am sure one of the main points in the indian agenda will be to free baluchistan from pokistan and along with bla and bra indian forces will kick punjabis back side

baluchistan for freedom
suban allah ameen

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himalove, what benefit is it for India to even consider a reunification of the sub-continent? Reunification only benefits Pakistan; moreover it was Muslims who wanted a separate nation if memory serves me correctly. You got a nation, now try to manage it at least.

Kashmir is the center of controversy and you think cowing down to Pakistan’s pressure tactics, subversive activities is beneficial to India? Dream on!

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Why not man, I dont know a lot about Balouchistan.
It is better to getout og pakistan. for your futur. because pak does not have futur .

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Collapse of Pakistan is inevitable and an independent Balochistan flush with resources and becomming energy hub of South Asia is a reality. Therefore people in punjab must think twice , for now baloch are surviving , they have to think about their future after collapse . I doubt India will accept jihan brainwashed Punjabis for a generation .

 

Its a miracle India has survived that long..

http://satp.org/satporgtp/countries/indi a/terroristoutfits/index.html

That reminds me of..

“India” is as much a country as the Equator: Sir Winston Churchill

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Mr/Ms K
Please read future of Pakistan http://www.armedforcesjournal.com/2006/0 6/1833899

“What Afghanistan would lose to Persia in the west, it would gain in the east, as Pakistan’s Northwest Frontier tribes would be reunited with their Afghan brethren (the point of this exercise is not to draw maps as we would like them but as local populations would prefer them). Pakistan, another unnatural state, would also lose its Baluch territory to Free Baluchistan.”

 

UNCALLED FOR FURORE ON KASHMIR MISQUOTE
By Wajid Shamsul Hasan
London: As Pakistan’s High Commissioner in a country where—if not majority—substantively large number of Pakistani origin Diaspora—nearly a million strong—hail from Azad Kashmir—I can understand their concerns and over blown reactions on any misconstrued utterance received by them through foreign media regarding the core issue that has bedevilled peace and co-operation between India and Pakistan.

While not undermining their capacity to over react what pains me as a Pakistani who has remained a devout champion of the right of self-determination for the Kashmiri people in a journalistic career spread over a period of 45 years to see caution and wisdom being thrown to winds just for the asking. What grieves me more is the knee-jerk reaction of some of the senior Kashmiri leaders who jump to their guns without even trying to ascertain the veracity of an alleged and attributed utterance.

I can write volumes on PPP, its past, present government and leadership’s commitment to the Kashmiri cause. I still remember the briefing that I had received from the then Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto (Shaheed) when she sent me to represent Pakistan at the Court of St James. On top of her agenda assigned to me was to mobilise support for the Kashmiri struggle for freedom from foreign yoke. I followed her advise to the best of my ability with religious devotion and set myself on the task of achieving what my friend George Galloway—a leading Labourite than—had described as “snatching victory out of the jaws of defeat”.

Pakistan High Commission as never before conducted such a hectic lobbying in 1994-96 with the unstinted support of the Kashmiri/Pakistani community and Labour members of Parliament– under the direct instructions from Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto who was herself hourly monitoring the activities on phone at the Camp office set up in Brighton. That enormous amount of lobbying culminated in what is known as 1995 Brighton Resolution adopted by the Labour Party annual Conference, moved by Shadow Foreign Secretary Robin Cook and drafted by Sir Gerald Kaufman—upholding categorically the UN sanctioned right of self-determination for the people of Kashmir. The Labour Party had also acknowledged unequivocally that the solution of the Kashmir problem was its moral obligation since it was the legacy of the partition of the Indian sub-continent in 1947 under a Labour government. This landmark development—first ever since the UN passed the plebiscite resolution—was bannered as “Pakistan’s diplomatic victory” by even the India media.

I regret to say that those who make most of an out of context quote are sections of the western media and of course few of those pen pushers who dance on the tunes played by invisible hands. And the propaganda is so well-orchestrated that innocent Kashmiris fall for it although for a short while only. Surrendering to misperceptions– even though for a little while— amounts to colossal disservice to the unimpeachable commitment of PPP, Bhuttos and now President Asif Ali Zardari to the Kashmiri cause.

It is high time that the Kashmiris at large do not lend their ears to defeatist elements and puppets on the chains of their enemies who style themselves as their leaders. Such elements are past masters at biting the hands that had been feeding them for a long time. They must also remember that in this age of electronic media explosion with competition having become cut-throat—any bad or distorted news is good news—especially when its victim is Asif Ali Zardari. Any quote that can be twisted and turned to their own story requirement is a great ball game for them.

While denying firmly the remarks misquoted in an interview of President Zardari in the WSJ I can say on authority that Pakistan has not deviated from its traditional stand of unqualified support to the people of the state of Jammu and Kashmir struggling for the right of self-determination sanctioned to them by the United Nations. It extends moral and political support to their just struggle and acknowledges in grief tremendous sacrifices by them to the extent that over the years over 100,000 people have lost their lives as proved by frequent discovery of mass graves.

I reiterate in further clarifying a report in a section of the media attributed to Pakistan’s President Asif Ali Zardari that the President at no point in his interview undermined the indigenous struggle by the Kashmiri people for the right of self-determination. He had reasserted that Pakistan has and will continue to support wholeheartedly Kashmiri struggle for the solution of the dispute according to UN resolution. He, however, repeated that as in the past Pakistan is opposed to external militants indulging in cross-border terrorism and subverting a genuine and glorious indigenous freedom movement nurtured with the innocent blood of Kashmiri people who have been sacrificing generation after generation so that their children could breathe in free air in future.

I would like to mention here that though prior to 9/11 the then President General Pervez Musharraf did describe such assortment of foreign elements—veterans of Afghan Jihad– as “freedom fighters” but soon after he imposed a ban on their organisations, nipped their nefarious activities, tried to squeeze their funding sources and assured the international community that Pakistan would not be allowed by him, as a base to be used by such foreign elements for cross-border terrorism into India. I would like to add further that such foreign militants as a matter of fact have damaged the Kashmiri cause more rather than helping their just struggle for freedom.

Mr Zardari’s remarks regarding India too have been misinterpreted. Mr Zardari–without any prejudice to the UN resolutions on Kashmir–believes that the process of normalisation between India and Pakistan need to be continued and composite dialogue with India has to be sustained. As regards India’s nuclear deal with US is concerned he did say Pakistan had no objection to it as long as Pakistan was treated at par. He further added that Pakistan is not scared of India’s economic growth in any way and can stand up to it.

Notwithstanding the strategic national interests of Pakistan-what is good for its survival and honourable existence–from its inception PPP has sustained all through history a Kashmir policy that seeks the solution to the core issue on the basis of right of self-determination. Without prejudice to the UN resolutions for plebiscite the PPP has sought to settle the dispute through bilateral negotiations. And at no stage-while discussing various options- it indulged in about turns on the matter as a tactical methodology adopted by many rulers in the past including General (Retired) Musharraf.

Last but not the least—shocking indeed was a discussion on a newly mushroomed private TV channel (allegedly associated with the Kashmiris) in which Mr Zardari’s speech at the UN and his mention of Kashmir as a core issue was target of ill-founded ridicule. The two musketeers in the box were rightly responded by a caller who asked as to what else did they want Mr Zardari to say in support of Kashmir issue if not call it a core issue—did they want him to declare war on India from the UN platform? And then caller’s conclusion was more pertinent and his wise advice for the clown-turned-TV commentators was also appropriate. He observed that President Zardari was caught in a very difficult situation—running what now is described—as the most dangerous place in the world, the caller was absolutely right in putting it across—that first and foremost responsibility of Mr Zardari is to save Pakistan from sinking in an economic swamp compounded by Pakistan’s war on terror and to protect the country from being conquered by foreign terrorists and their indigenous supporters.

Posted by wajid shamsul hasan | Report as abusive
 

A little effort by China or Pak and India will repeat 1947..

http://www.achrweb.org/reports/india/nax al0107.pdf

On August 15, 2006 addressing the nation Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh unequivocally said that the Naxalism is the single biggest internal security threat ever faced by India.

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Mo, Islam forbids alcohol and you should refrain from any indulgence in the spirits. Might be a good idea for Pakistan to focus on keeping its Western territories intact!

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Ajay, I will pass your message to Manmohan

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Suicide bomb attacks have spiked in Pakistan, from two in 2002 to a record 56 in 2007, according to the Institute for Conflict Management, based in New Delhi. As of August of this year, the country had seen 25 suicide-bomb attacks, ICM reports.

In a grim indicator of the rise in attacks, according to Pakistan’s intelligence agency, this year Pakistan has overtaken Iraq in suicide-bomb deaths.

It counted 28 suicide bombings in Pakistan that killed more than 471 people in the first eight months of this year. By comparison Iraq saw 42 such attacks and 463 deaths; Afghanistan, 36 incidents and 436 casualties.

 

Indian state sponsored terrorism testimony to US Congress

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vs19qdr4b hU

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Dear Mo Akthar ,
These testimonies,speeches , statements of congressmen , and HR reports doesn’t deny naked day to day reality of Pakistan facing. The man who gave you a nation was humilated by killing his won great grand son , his family is living dirt poor. You people are NOT IN A POSITION TO TALK TO A INDIAN after 60 years of independence , take a hard look at facts without stooping to rhetoric . Problems are part and parcel of any nation, neverthles it’s the pathetic to see a nation whihc is founded on Islam is at the beck and call of outsiders.

THANK GOD FOUNDING FATHERS OF INDIA DID’NT DECLARED INDIA AS HINDU NATON . Even so called “rabid hindutva” leaders say “India was born Secular adn will be secular”.

 

Dr. Wahid Baluch and Sameera
Baluchistan is a province of Pakistan and belongs to Pakistanis. Anyone calling himself a Baluchi or Sindhi or Punjabi or Pathan or Kashmiri have no claim over any territory. The cake is big enough for all of us to have it. Yes Baluchis have natural resources, but the human capital and skills exist more abundantly in maybe Punjab or elsewhere in Pakistan. Baluchistan is a part and parcel of Pakistan. I personally think any group demanding independence from Pakistan must first be negotiated with, if the greviences are settled by Government well and good. Otherwise Pakistan armed forces must fight tooth and nail for every single inch of Baluchistan and any millitant attempt to sever Baluchistan must be met with extreme force and crushed by pakistan government. Both of you either be Pakistanis and work for your rights or remeber Pakistanis will never tolerate trouble in our Baluchistan prrovince. If you like India, get the F*uck out of Pakistan and apply for Indian citizenship.
PAKISTAN ZINDABAD !
BALUCHISTAN PAINDABAD !

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Pakistan is a islamo facist state with the punjabi sunnis the dominant race,the balochis,pashtuns,mohajirs,shias all feel this way.WE have restrained ourselves cause we don’t want a basket case on our border but sorry u have crossed the line so you will get your kashmir on 80% OF your territory.you reap what you sow!oh and you evonomy 26% INFLATIOn and rising,4% GROWTH FORECASt and fx reserves that will last only 20 days.good god keep it up.

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Umair
Dr. Wahid Baluch and Sameera shall live to see their beloved Balochistan a free Nation & the Balochi’s as a free society, No power on earth can stop this from happening,
InshaAllah

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Indian, I have a brooklyn Bridge for sale.. LMAO….

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i think both nations should now see the hidden policy of western countries ( UK , china , US ) . first UK has done it to cripple both countries in 1947 by partition . then US has done same & now china . will people of these 2 countries will only fighting & fullfiling motives of these countries .

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India in the past has shown the will to create democracy by liberating bangladesh from pakistani dictators..its time for pakistanis to realise its not baluchs who have to get out of baluchistan..but pakistanis to get out of baluchistan..pakistanis would never dare to frisk with India again..they still remember 1971 and kargil war..at the most they will convert all pakistani army in to terrorists.

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India once crossed the international border at Lahore for a tea party at Gymkhana and we all know what happened… India ever make that mistake again and it will be converted into a huge lake all the way from Banglore to the Chinese border that will glow GREEN in the dark…

Paki nukes have successfully destroyed Indian terrorism at its eastern border just like China successfully destroyed Indian terrorism at its southern border…

Time for Bangladesh and Sri Lanka to join the party. Bangladesh spanked Indian terrorist in 2001 that was enough to cut indian terrorism at their borders but more needs to be done.

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I am a Sikh living in Vancover BC, Our struggle is to liberate Indian Punjab from the tyrany of Brahmins who are responsible for the 1984 genocide of Sikh nation and rape of our women.

I apeal to Pakistanis to help us with our freedom struggle. Sant Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale is our hero and we will pervail eventually.

http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Sant_ Jarnail_Singh_Bhindranwale

IOK is almost as good as gone with half of the state with Pakistan called Azad Kashmir, A huge chunk as big as Switzerland is with China and the rest is in a freedom struggle. The libration of Indian Punjab is not far off.

waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh

 

I couldn’t help adding my two bit after reading about what amir from pakistan had to something about Pakistani products ‘ flooding’ the indian markets. OUCH!!!! That hurts…

Amir, you know why Pakistan is in all sorts of trouble today. Because the vast majority of Pakistanis live in a state of self delusion and jingosim is your middle name. You guys have absolutely no idea of what reality checks are and just becuase you have nuclear weapons you think you are invincible. knock this off your head. there are other ways to get stronger.

 

Living with pakistan is like reluctantly carrying a label — JIHADI citizens , that Baluchis do not want . Our people are living in dirt poor on resource rich land, outsiders are exploiting in front of our eyes , after all we are also humans . Gas pipelines go all the way to kashmir , but people in balochistan use firewood to cook food. Our people are been kidnapped, tourchered , killed when they ask for their rights and controle over resources .

PROBLEM IS PUNJABIS and PAKISTAN OF JINHA SHOULD COME TO AND END .

 

What is the solution for Muslim problem in india.
we should thought way before 1947 after partition.who let all muslims to stay in India after partition. why they did not leave india . if they would have left india we should not having this problem anymore . they will be living peacefuly and we as well.

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‘i think both nations ‘ – Indian who?

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Kulbir Singh Brar
Sade Guruana da naom badam na kar, Mussalmaan banja aur jaake Pakistani Punjab wicho aapna Khali-stan da hissa lele- Gaddar

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