Comments on: Tactics versus strategy in Afghanistan http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2008/10/11/tactics-versus-strategy-in-afghanistan/ Perspectives on Pakistan Thu, 01 Oct 2015 19:31:05 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: Sun Tzu http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2008/10/11/tactics-versus-strategy-in-afghanistan/comment-page-1/#comment-4675 Wed, 22 Oct 2008 14:12:29 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2008/10/11/tactics-versus-strategy-in-afghanistan/#comment-4675 Are there really viable strategic options in Afghanistan for the West? One strategist lays out two options: Strategic Options: The West and Afghanistan

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By: OK Jack http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2008/10/11/tactics-versus-strategy-in-afghanistan/comment-page-1/#comment-4557 Tue, 14 Oct 2008 19:57:59 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2008/10/11/tactics-versus-strategy-in-afghanistan/#comment-4557 Hello Ms. MacDonald…

Thank you for your response…very kind of you, I must say.

Before making my remarks this morning, I went to my usual source to see just what exactly a “boffin” might be. Until that moment, I was not familiar with the term…it not being one used in the (U.S.) army field elements in which I served and commanded over the period of a quarter century.

Of course, it could be that the overabundant strategists residing at the Pentagon (and at MacDill) refer to themselves as scientific experts and technological researchers. I don’t know.

Incidentally, generals T. Franks and R. Myers are the 4-star military strategists whom I referred to as having been pressured by (and as having caved to) the political strategists (a.k.a. would-be military strategists) at the Pentagon and at the White House prior to the invasions of both Afghanistan & Iraq, i.e., Messrs. Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz et al.

There is only one 4-star strategist coming out of the planning for the Iraq invasion that I have any real personal and professional respect for. He is General Eric Shinseki…a fellow soldier who I would accompany into battle should he ask me to do so.

As for (U.S.) military operations in Afghanistan (your article’s counterinsurgency of focus), ma’am…said operations should have been concluded by the summer of 2002. Said operations should have never been allowed to reach the counterinsurgency stage [the reason for which was the then (and still ongoing) diversion of finite resources to Iraq].

Osama bin Laden and Ayman al-Zawahiri shouldn’t even still be walking around. That’s what happens though, when there is a total strategic failure at the top of the political and military pyramids in Washington, D.C. (and at MacDill).

My Very Best Regards,
OK Jack

boffin ba-fen noun [origin unknown] (1945)
chiefly Brit : a scientific expert; esp : one involved in technological research
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By: Myra MacDonald http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2008/10/11/tactics-versus-strategy-in-afghanistan/comment-page-1/#comment-4550 Tue, 14 Oct 2008 18:01:36 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2008/10/11/tactics-versus-strategy-in-afghanistan/#comment-4550 OK Jack –

My Oxford English Dictionary defines boffin as “a person engaged in scientific (esp military) research”. It also says it’s a British usage, so maybe it doesn’t mean the same outside of Britain?

Otherwise thanks for your very interesting comments, particularly in making the distinction between political and military strategy — it’s one where perhaps we should pay more attention.

Myra

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By: OK Jack http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2008/10/11/tactics-versus-strategy-in-afghanistan/comment-page-1/#comment-4548 Tue, 14 Oct 2008 16:47:51 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2008/10/11/tactics-versus-strategy-in-afghanistan/#comment-4548 Ms. MacDonald of Reuters: “Military boffins argue about the exact meaning of those two words, but for the purposes of argument, let’s say that tactics are a means to an end, while strategy contains within it an understanding of the end to be attained.”

As a retired military officer, former noncommissioned officer and 3-time commander of army ground units…I’m at a loss as to how the term “boffin” relates to the term “military”.

That forgiven, however, Ms. MacDonald is reasonably accurate in her interpretation of military strategy v. military tactics. If I was asked to describe the difference between the two, I would simply say that strategy is the plan and tactic(s) is the execution. Between S&T is sandwiched operations. Applying these brief definitions to levels of command–army, corps and division commanders (i.e., general officers) and their staffs are on the planning end. Maneuver commanders (brigades & battalions/task forces, i.e., full colonels & light colonels) and their staffs are at the top of the tactical pyramid.

Battalions are made up of companies. Therefore, taken to its logical conclusion, tactical maneuver is the province of companies, platoons, squads and fire teams, i.e., the captains, lieutenants, sergeants/corporals and privates that make up the foundation of the tactical pyramid. Tactics are carried out down where the rubber hits the road. Tactical battles, firefights and skirmishes are where strategies (plans) are proven successful or unsuccessful. Said another way, Our Best & Finest sacrifice their lives or limbs, sight, hearing and mental & physical health to carry out the plans of strategists who are themselves not present on the field of honor when the bullets start flying.

The political strategist has to be extremely careful that he doesn’t place the military strategist in an untenable situation. Unless purposely withdrawn very soon, American military forces could conceivably remain in Iraq and in Afghanistan in perpetuity. Why? Because history shows that the last man standing is an insurgent. Therefore, tactical forces can win battles, firefights and skirmishes indefinitely (and at great long-term human and financial costs)…but strategic victory in the conventional sense will always be a series of illusions just over the next hill.

The members of the U.S. congress who presently don’t understand the disconnect between political and military strategy are now in the minority. But the president will never admit that he was wrong to embroil our most precious resource, i.e., Our Best & Finest, in conflicts of attrition…counterinsurgencies that will never result in strategic victory like that achieved by America and her allies at the conclusion of World War II.

OK Jack

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By: Alan Reeve http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2008/10/11/tactics-versus-strategy-in-afghanistan/comment-page-1/#comment-4478 Sun, 12 Oct 2008 15:57:19 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2008/10/11/tactics-versus-strategy-in-afghanistan/#comment-4478 Al Quaeda and the Taliban goverment in Afghanistan had a contingent relationship, i.e. a shared commitment to what we in the West call Islamic fundamentalism, a hatred of perceived American imperialism, especially in the Islamic Holy Places, a commitment to the values of the Uma, the Islamic community, and a determination not to bow to brute force. Since the invasion of Afghanistan, both the Taliban and Al Quaeda have transformed themselves, but the fact remains that the former are an ousted government force and the latter no more than a non-governmental organisation.
The military actions in Afghanistan have transformed a contingent relationship into something far more coherent: the expressed values of Al Quaeda have been articulated by a much greater community of fighters, and the Taliban’s image has become more nuanced among an greater community.
What American wants, either tactically or strategically, is today of little import; their behaviour has strengthened their enemies and made the world a far more dangerous place for all those who do not worship according to Islamic lights.

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By: Terry.Tucker http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2008/10/11/tactics-versus-strategy-in-afghanistan/comment-page-1/#comment-4469 Sun, 12 Oct 2008 04:50:10 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2008/10/11/tactics-versus-strategy-in-afghanistan/#comment-4469 Clausewitz certainly has a place in the conduct of counterinsurgency, as do strategy and tactics. However, your explanation appears to lead one towards a more conventional approach and also infers an approach of decisive military action. In counterinsurgecny this is the paradox that, we, in the US military have forgotten.
The strategy and tactics for a counterinsurgency are not the same and a political arrangement of some kind is required for a counterinsurgency to come to an end. Certianly, the type of arrangement may help predict how long that arrangement remians in place. It has neve been really clear who decided that a single unitary centralized government would work for Afghanistan. The history of Afghanistan seems to dictate the opposite approach. The entire failure in this whole thing is a matter of timing and a lack of precision in wording and approach on behalf of the US and the military.
Tha Taliban will probaly view this as weakness becasue of the timing of the recent news events you described; and, additionally, the distinction bewtween militants and ideology should have been understood and articulated before the bombs started flying.
I fear this is too little to late in terms of the timing and the recent global financial crisis. Any arrangement will be much more transitory because it will be seemed to have been made under duress and in a fit of weakness.

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By: Indian http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2008/10/11/tactics-versus-strategy-in-afghanistan/comment-page-1/#comment-4467 Sat, 11 Oct 2008 20:19:08 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2008/10/11/tactics-versus-strategy-in-afghanistan/#comment-4467 Myra,
to put it in simple words – strategy is to work out a plan & tactics are merely it’s implementation tools to put it into practice, your failure in understanding lies in your attempt to differentiate them or tell apart, whereas tactics are contained in strategy as butter in milk, waiting to be churned,
Yet your argument & insight into the strategy is a Bulls eye,
The essence of your article, – the tactics of Gates exit strategy for the western troops is-
“The United States is considering arming & training up Afghanistan’s tribal militias to fight the Taliban, the United States wants to leave behind a decentralised Afghanistan in which tribal militias hold the power as it concludes that Afghanistan is in a “downward spiral” and casts serious doubt on the ability of the Afghan government to stem the rise in the Taliban.”

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By: wadosy http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2008/10/11/tactics-versus-strategy-in-afghanistan/comment-page-1/#comment-4464 Sat, 11 Oct 2008 19:10:48 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2008/10/11/tactics-versus-strategy-in-afghanistan/#comment-4464 the main objective of the PNAC project is to control energy.

according to neocon dogma, control of oil will lead to “benevolent global hegemony”, and nevermind that this supposed “benevolence” has already led to the deaths of maybe a million people.

according to neocon hubris, they are an empire now, and when they act, they create their own reality.

according to neocon theory, “creative destruction” is the basic tactic…

…a prime example of “creative destruction” being, the 9/11 operaton.

too bad it looks like the project is failing, and “absent another catastrophic and catalyzing event —like a new pearl harbor”— the neocons and their fellow travelers wont have the wherewithal to rebuild the things they’ve destroyed…

…which leaves them in their default mode: looting.

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