Comments on: Will Obama’s victory boost democracy in Pakistan? http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2008/11/06/will-obamas-victory-boost-democracy-in-pakistan/ Perspectives on Pakistan Thu, 01 Oct 2015 19:31:05 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: Indian http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2008/11/06/will-obamas-victory-boost-democracy-in-pakistan/comment-page-1/#comment-5479 Tue, 11 Nov 2008 11:20:01 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=716#comment-5479 Mahir Nisar
— mirwais has stated the truth,It doesn’t matters whether you accept it or not or try to cover it with your ‘historical lies’ the facts won’t change…

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By: Indian http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2008/11/06/will-obamas-victory-boost-democracy-in-pakistan/comment-page-1/#comment-5477 Tue, 11 Nov 2008 11:15:34 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=716#comment-5477 Ravi Rikhye
‘i.e., that India was driving the arms race.’
— God only knows what sort of ‘military analyst of 44 years experience’ are you? who isn’t aware of the simple fact that India’s weapon upgradation has all to do with China & nothing to do with Pakistan…
— & your ‘Partition theory’ is all bunk- it is the Punjabi landlords who wanted to save their land holding from the ‘socialit congress’ that threatened for a separate state,(not necessarily wanting one), the UP deobandis were against partition..

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By: Dipak Ghosh http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2008/11/06/will-obamas-victory-boost-democracy-in-pakistan/comment-page-1/#comment-5435 Mon, 10 Nov 2008 03:56:55 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=716#comment-5435 No. Not only Pakistan, whole Islamic world from Maghreb to Malaysia- all are going thro’ massive Islamist movement- and if elections are held free and fair, Islamists will come to power in most of these countried.

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By: wadosy http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2008/11/06/will-obamas-victory-boost-democracy-in-pakistan/comment-page-1/#comment-5413 Sat, 08 Nov 2008 20:13:13 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=716#comment-5413 Ravi Rikhye says: “I can firmly state that India will never go along with any US attempt to break up Pakistan.”

seems to me that it would be to india’s and israel’s advantage to dismantle pakistan and eliminate the threat of pakistani nukes…

…provided, of course, that pakistan doesnt take a page out of israel’s book, and do a pakistani version of israel’s samson option.

google: israel “samson option” http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=isr ael+%22samson+option%22&aq=f&oq=

not to mention the fact that remodeling pakistan would help control china’s access to persian gulf energy… and to the americans, that’s what this exercise is about, seeing as how china is the biggest threat, the most competition, in the global effort to secure energy.

too bad the chinese can buy gas and oil faster than the neocons can steal it, isnt it?

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By: Ravi Rikhye http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2008/11/06/will-obamas-victory-boost-democracy-in-pakistan/comment-page-1/#comment-5412 Sat, 08 Nov 2008 18:45:11 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=716#comment-5412 As a military analyst of 44 years experience, I can firmly state that India will never go along with any US attempt to break up Pakistan. India learned its lesson after 1971, when its help to making Bangladesh created a series of intractable problems getting steadily worse in India’s Northeast. India understands that any break up of Pakistan will absolutely, completely, irrevocably destabilize India. That does not mean India has the least clue of how to deal with Pakistan.

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By: Ravi Rikhye http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2008/11/06/will-obamas-victory-boost-democracy-in-pakistan/comment-page-1/#comment-5411 Sat, 08 Nov 2008 18:40:26 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=716#comment-5411 I have studied US-Pakistan relations since 1954 in great detail and can confirm that if anyone thinks the US is a friend of Pakistan, they are mistaken. US has always had nothing but contempt for Pakistan and has sought to use it whenever possible; and if the Pakistanis refused to cooperate, the US has punished them.

BTW, I am Indian by birth and live in the US; I have no dog in the fight of US-Pakistan, except to be repeatedly accused by my countrypersons during my 20 years in India of being not just pro-Pakistani, but toward the end of my stay, of being a Pakistani spy and agent provocateur. Among my crimes was saying Pakistan did not start the 1971 War, India did, and that in well over 100 instances of purchase of major weapons systems, 90% of the time India introduced a new weapon system and not Pakistan; i.e., that India was driving the arms race.

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By: Ravi Rikhye http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2008/11/06/will-obamas-victory-boost-democracy-in-pakistan/comment-page-1/#comment-5409 Sat, 08 Nov 2008 18:34:02 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=716#comment-5409 I mean absolutely no disrespect to the people of Pakistan, but the problem is that the Indian Muslims who wanted to be free of India could not because of the geographical contiguity issue. earlier the British (1905) split Bengal into two, isolating Bengal Muslims. Kashmir wanted to be independent. Baluchistan and NWFP arrived at the partition negotiations thinking they were discussing independence. When they learned the only issue was joining Pakistan, I am told they walked out. Punjab was a tri-cultural society living in harmony till the 1947 rift. Sindh was much closer to western India in all ways. The first CM of Sindh told Mani Shanker Ayier that had his party not stuffed the ballot boxes, Sind would have voted for India. But the people who really wanted an independent Pakistan, such as Hyderabad, East Bengal, large parts of UP and so on, could not become a part of Pakistan. This is the tragedy of 1947, and subsequent generations continuing paying the price.

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By: wadosy http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2008/11/06/will-obamas-victory-boost-democracy-in-pakistan/comment-page-1/#comment-5398 Sat, 08 Nov 2008 05:03:54 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=716#comment-5398 map PNAC’s plan for pakistan

http://img361.imageshack.us/img361/9498/ pakistanindia7nov08co03hx8.gif

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By: Mahir Nisar http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2008/11/06/will-obamas-victory-boost-democracy-in-pakistan/comment-page-1/#comment-5384 Fri, 07 Nov 2008 10:48:31 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=716#comment-5384 To the first post- mirwais-

That was most ignorant thing an individual could say regarding Pakistan’s birth. A little history lesson would indicate that Pakistan’s creation was through self-determination for a majority-Muslim state, which is an essential aspect of a democratic movement. The legislative constituent assemblies are another highlight of the democratic movement that Pakistan was and currently still is. Our history only spans a few decades. To say that Pakistan was a colony is false, as there was no Pakistan at the time, and secondly, your argument to say that former colonies can’t be a democracy is also a fallacy- I give the example of the United States- a former collection of colonies, not based on the principles of democracy. Or how about UK, a former Monarchy. Democracy isn’t built in a day, nor does a country with a 160 million, with conflicting interested parties help the ordeal. We are fighting for and we are determined to achieve a democratic nation. There is no such democratic movement in the world as there is in Pakistan, eg- movement of lawyers, students, civil society. However, I will not go further in exploiting your ignorance, but it was only to warn the other readers of an individual with little background in the history of a country and people that deserve respect…

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By: siburp http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2008/11/06/will-obamas-victory-boost-democracy-in-pakistan/comment-page-1/#comment-5380 Fri, 07 Nov 2008 09:18:17 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=716#comment-5380 In Pakistan, it will not be easy.

Too many factions who have learn to save through the barrel of the gun.

Too much time waste on arguing which maybe ended by the gun.

Their style of Democracy,YES: – but not the US type of give and take where the loser will congratulate the winner.

It will take a while yet or will never happen.

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