Mumbai attack and Obama’s plans for Afghanistan

November 28, 2008

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As if the challenge facing President-elect Barack Obama of stabilising Afghanistan was not difficult enough, it may have just got much, much harder after the Mumbai attacks soured relations between India and Pakistan — undermining hopes of finding a regional solution to the Afghan war.

As discussed in an earlier post, Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh has blamed a group outside India for the attacks which killed at least 121 people. The coordinated attacks bore the hallmarks of Pakistani-based Kashmiri militant groups like the Lashkar-e-Taiba, which India says was set up by Pakistan’s spy agency, the Inter-Services Intelligence, or ISI.

Pakistan has condemned the attacks and an Indian government spokesman said the head of the ISI had agreed to visit India to share information — an extraordinary agreement given that the two countries have fought three wars and came to the brink of a fourth in 2001/2002. But it’s hard to believe that would be enough to appease India after the brazen attack on its commercial capital exposed its vulnerability.

So where does that leave Obama’s plans for Afghanistan, given that a major element of this was to persuade India and Pakistan to make peace over Kashmir?

As discussed in posts here, here and here, the argument is that the cause of instability in Afghanistan is in Pakistan, and that Pakistan in turn will never fully turn against Islamist militants as long as it believes it might need them to counter India.  Since Pakistan is nervous both about the growing power of India on its eastern border, and about rising Indian influence in Afghanistan on its western border, the best way to calm the situation down, so the argument goes, would be to persuade the two rivals to make peace.

It was always an ambitious plan — getting India and Pakistan to put behind them 60 years of bitter struggle over Kashmir as part of a regional solution to many complex problems in Afghanistan.  Have the Mumbai attacks pushed it out of reach? And if so, what is the fall-back plan?

(Reuters photo of smoke and flames billowing out of Taj Mahal hotel/Jayanta Shaw)

Comments

It’s not too late – we[Indians] should learn from this and should prove to the world that we live and die for our country. It’s time to take some hard decissions. Lets send a memo to our government
” Strike back. Strike back so hard, next time even a local terrorist should think twice before attacking india”

 

Please, everyone please understand one thing….American people really have no say so what ever in what our government does anymore. Ever since President Bush and the 911 incident, the government has totally taken over. We “regular” people have no say in what they are using our money for. This whole agenda, with Islam/Muslim is a set up all the way around. As far as hoping for something from Obama….well, we cannot even get him to answer whether or not he is even elegible to be President, and the media just ignores the fact that he was not born in the US, nor is he a citizen, therefore, ineligible to be president. All of the governments are all in line with their elite agenda….which is to rule the world, under their demonic rule. We all need to be praying for our whole world, and the future of the planet. This ethnic cleansing will be taking place, and probably is taking place in places we know nothing about. May God Bless us all, and keep us strong in prayer for the days to come. He is the ONLY one that can save us now.

 

It should be understood that the militants, about ten of them only, wanted maximum time to showcase their cause which lasted about three days which I believe is about what they wanted & given, other wise there would have been much more havoc. It should be analyzsd as to who has gained the maximum out of all this.
Surprisingly(or not)as far as India is concerned, it is the Hindu nationalist party & their allies ( all having fascists agendas) as now they use the word “Terror” as their election card & all the more, the very terror cases against some of them have been sidelined with the killing , actually assasination of that upright investigating officer.
With hawks( on both sides)itching for war, will only
drastically complicate the fight against these forces. Such are the types who do not value lives ,other than to get their Fundamentalist & Fascists ideas moving.
What they fail & will not try to understand,is that the The GOD is watching all this . If these forces can be cunning & ruthless they will find HIM to be even more, for their hearts will HE harden more & eventually they will find themselves “Destroyed”
Nobody knows the actual truth behind all of this, so the best the ordinary man can do, is to forgive & forget (with Time- The best healer) & move forward such that, Generations which are to come, Bless & not Curse you.

Posted by abi | Report as abusive
 

I and every true Indian strongly condemn this acts of regular attacks from PAKISTAN TRAINED TERRORIST. All this are coward people attacking innocent lives.

We should do 2 things immediately,

1) Stop all dialogues, trains, ships, planes, trading, etc with pakistan, until they hand over Dawood. They should stop all terror camps and let India or neutral party and not US( as I dont believe in US) should see that there are no terror camps in Pakistan.

2) On home front: All our ruling ministers Should resign and never even think of becoming Indias leaders.India needs dynamic leader or right now is India needs “HITLER”. Who should make us feel that safety of common people is of prime importance than safety of his own self.

If both the things are not done now we and our next generations would be facing severe problems in years to come ahead. We need to sacrifice today for safety of our next generations or all this things will continue. Now is the time to say ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. We will not keep quiet by any pressure and we will go to any limits to keep our people safe and fearless.

If none of this things happens then what I strongly feel is stop giving votes, stop paying taxes, we have the power and it is time we should use it now.

I feel very sad, angry and helpless that we are unable to do anything.

True Indian,

Avinash

Posted by Avinash | Report as abusive
 

where was Raj Thackeray and his “brave” sena??… tell him that 400 NSG commandos are from delhi (no marathi manoos, all south and north indian) have been sent to mumbai to fight the terrorists so that he can sleep peacefully tonight at shivaji park.

WE ALL ARE INDIAN i request politicians Please donot diffrentiate us.

GOD BLESS INDIA
HINDUSTAN ZINDABAD

Posted by AN INDIAN | Report as abusive
 

attentions are being shifted to politicians resignations.
now it seems like mubai attack will be forgotten …which must not be happened.
…..root of the cause is our political system….which must be reformed.
…..they are inapt …we need skillful person life company’s CEO who can handle the country in a manner that is required.

Posted by jay | Report as abusive
 

Well Bhartiya, as you mentioned so many privilliges granted to the Indian Muslims, thanks for all these. but you forgot some very very important feasts given to these unfortunate pplz by the majority population of your great country. I, therefore, try to mention some of these highly needed to substantiate your socalled democratic rhetoric.
- Where were you when your hindu fanatics stormed to destroy the Babri Mosque?
- What did you feel when the innocent childs and women of Gujraat were burnt alive?
- Where your soul goes when you come to know the ever-increasing the death toll of the beautiful pplz of Kashmir.
- Don’t you feel pitty for knowing that your barbaric soldiers have turned the the peace of Paradise into hell like place.
Enouhg or need I say more?
Shayan

Posted by Shayan | Report as abusive
 

Shayan

-what of Kashmiri hindus?

Posted by Indian | Report as abusive
 

Before pointing fingers to pakistan let us introspect ourself and find all indians / particularly politicans / who support some form of terrorism / separatist movements within India and put them in jail forever. Raj thackery (Maharashtra), (Telengana Separatist leaders) now of late some Tamil leaders voicing for a separate Pure Tamil state out of Tamilnadu. Once the local support and corruption is completely withdrawn no terrorist can enter our country.

Posted by SS | Report as abusive
 

http://awaz.tv/playvideo.asp?pageId=1511

see this and answer these questions and stop blaming to PAKISTAN.
Blam us with facts…At last it will going to prove that this has been done by u people by urself as u accpeted for Samjhota train case,in gujrat u hindus have killed around 2500 innocent child and womens and u arrested ur army men for this case…….please find ur enemy within you and not blame us…..
we have enough power to fight with u if u r willing then come…..

Posted by Muhammad Naveed | Report as abusive
 

Hi
Jingoism is not the answer to a terror strike. That will only cost more lives and not solve the problem. There is a elected govt. in Pakistan and democracy there should have everyones backing. There are elements in Pakistan who do not want peace and friendship between india and Pakistan. India should show the world satelite photos of terror camps in Pakistan and insist the Pakistan army destroy these camps. ISI is only a wing of the Pakistan armed forces and should fall in line. Majority of the pak populace want peace and carry on with their daily lives. Their army is being paid by the people and should fall in line with popular will.This is where US influence should come into play. The armed forces are almost fully dependent on american hardware.
This time there is overwhelming evidence pointing to the involvement of the LeT in the Mumbai carnage.Pakistan should not go into denial mode and take out the terrorists camps before something drastic happens.
No one can control these rogue elements. Pakistani citizens should take the threat issued by the Taliban commander seriously.

 

Bofore blaming pakistan, I think the Indian Army deserved what the terrorist has done to mumbai, dont forget what the Indian Army has done to Gujrat, but I am sure these are gujrati people who themself want to destroy indian army.
India has a plan to finish Pakistani because there a Muslim Nuclear power,if not than why Indian Government is helping Balochistan, india is supporting Balochistan giving them weapon to fight with Pakistan Army.

Posted by Ahmed | Report as abusive
 

What I dont trully understand is who the hell could these terrorists escape the so called intellegence and navy and get into bombay.My second question india also claimed that the terrorists were on suicide mission so please explain who would be so stupid to carry the ID to be identified. people of india this is an inside JOB just like 9-11

Posted by fcuk politicians | Report as abusive
 

US, China and Gulf Countries – Please stop funding Pakistan who is sending terrorists to India to kill innocent people and children, Dont get your hands stained with blood of peace loving Indians, lest curses of dead people and their kins befall on you and even in hell there wont be a place for you. Your bad deeds shall soon reflect on your countries. China you will be shaken to death this winter by eart quake, Gulf countries will be stormed by katrina loke wind storm and strange disease will start killing them, US is already shaking with economy down slide.
And finally Pakistan, My dear Pakistanis, Allah will will only take care of you people now. You have to reply to Allah during Qayamat. You have been sent on this eatrh by Allah to spread Peace, Harmony and Love. And today you have become devils forgetting your origin. Pakistan means Land of Purity. You are born out of purity, love and peace of Allah Himself. Even Allah has tears of bllod in his eyes after looking to what you have done to Indians. I am only remaining witness and hung my head infront of Allah in shame what my breathern are upto and what is waiting for them during Qayamat!!!

Posted by Prophet Mohammad | Report as abusive
 

The kind of military training the terrorists were having is not possible to get in India. Moreover how could they get those modern weapons to launch the attacks. It was definitely provided by a foreign country none other than Pakistan.

Pakistan is a failed nation ( http://www.indohistory.com/history_of_pa kistan.html ) and India has got all rights to protect its soverignity by launching a counter attack on Pakistan. It is very clear from Zardari´s statement that Pakistan is not going to take any actions on the home grown terrorists. All my sympathies for Zardari and the civilian governement in Pakistan. I understand the whip is not in their hands. Its the military of Pakistan which determines the policies and so it leaves India with no choice but to launch a counter attack and clear the Pakistani soil with anti-India activities.
Its time to act. India needs to attack Pakistan.

Posted by saumya saxena | Report as abusive
 

War is not the solution my Pakistanis and Indian brothers. These terrorists just want to have bad relations between India and Pakistan. This is the time to use our brain except using emotions.

After War everything will be worst more than present situation and we will loose our brave people.
So please don’t create a bad mentality for each other. In India we have more Muslims than Pakistan and they are also angry and sad because of this attack on Mumbai were killed in this Mumbai attack. They all are standing together with Hindus for fighting against terrorism. Firstly we are humans rather than Hindu and Muslims. So Think wisely.

Jai Hind

Posted by ashutosh sharma | Report as abusive
 

before acting against terrorism please solve interior political issues.is there any need for separate states? why r the politicians creating such unnecessary plans of separate states? its purely for their advantage…. wake up politicians in India stop interior political riots and start fight terrorism which is a global issue. time to attack Pakistan.

Posted by reddy | Report as abusive
 

I want my words to reach 3 organizations.

1) Media:-
a) Stop calling these attackers “Jihadis” You are falicitating them by calling them Jihadis. Call them “Terrorists” Jehad Means “Struggle” and by no means they are struggling. I can say i am on Jihad to save my country from these cowards who take human shields.

b) Secondly i would like to request the media to keep this campaign on until we get the culprits punished. No matter how long it takes. On every news paper and every news channel there should be small space dedicated that conveys to the government that we have still remember. For instance when IPL is about to start after 1 month the channels start reverse countings. Similarly on newspaper there should be small space dedicated.

2) Government:
Its time for action and no words with “Na-Pakistan”
40% of my tax goes towards defence and securities to corrupt netas like you. Why not once and for all attack these Na-pakis and show them India is no peace of cake.
Instead of playing politics try to solve injustice spread in the society so that the terrorist schools dont get any topic to induce the new recruits.

3) Na-Pakistan:-

Look at your pockets, there is harly anything left in there. The foreign deficit is taking a big dip. There is no security in your state itself. Instead of spending your bacha kucha paisa on terrorist activities, better spend on welfare of your people. We have more Muslims in India than in Your Na-Pakistan.

Finally few words to my fellow dying Indians.
Dont let our job or occupation take over us in forgetting this horrifying episode. Lets keep the candle of condolence buring unless the culprits are brought to book. Lets not just see what they want us to see.

Posted by Abdul Majid | Report as abusive
 

For those who are asking Indian gov. to attack Pakistan…Remember, US has always wanted to attack either Syria or Pakistan after invading Iraq. For all we know, in few years we will find out that this too was a set up to give India a reason to attack Pakistan FOR America…because American economy is too weak to wage another war on terrorism itself.
Don’t fight America’s war. Stand united against American Neo-Imperialism.

Posted by War Scholar | Report as abusive
 

Hi,
Firstly my condolences with all the families and the martyr who has lost their life in this horrifying attack.
These attacks are now becoming part of our daily life. After the attacks, we protest on the street (Playing our favourite game “BLAME GAME”) We blame the government, they blame neighbouring country, this is what we are being doing from past 20 years. Don’t you feel we need a change. Here I don’t mean change of our leaders, but a little change in ourselves.
My second question comes for our Media, I thank them to give us the update about the happening, but at the same time, why don’t they follow any issue till the end? e.g Our leaders taking bribes in the parliament house. What has happened to these leaders, where are they? what is the elected comission doing? how far has the investigation has reached?
As a common man’s perspective, I understand that we have our responsibilities towards our loved ones, but at the same time why do we keep forgetting the responsibility towards our nation.
Instead of blaming the system, think that we all the part of this system. Before playing that GAME, research yourself and ask or promise yourself that I’ll not promote bribe, I’ll help the helpless.
Here I would like to draw your attention towards the most common thing we face in our day to day life. Imagine yourself into a situation where you are driving for your office and you forget to carry your wallet and a traffic policeman catches you and ask you for licence. What do you do? We all know what do we do in this situation. We bargain with the policeman over the fine money. Instead of following up the rules, we try to escape them. We don’t have right to blame the police person, cuz its completely our fault, or mistake. I can keep on writing on such situations but the point I want to make here is Lets clean the house. Lets be responsible, rather being irrational.
I am writing this because I am playing my part, and request you to play yours. Let make our nation a better place to live, breathe.
I love my INDIA. And ll my Fellows.
Please open your eyes and ears of your soul.
Yes. The answer lies within US.

Vinod

Posted by Common Man | Report as abusive
 

The problem with us Indians is – we think more from our heart than brain. We are an emotional lot. The way we talk is the same as ostrich hiding its head in sand when there is a sandstorm. All the solutions we talk and discuss about are just like pruning the branches of this monster man-eating tree. We should understand and look for the roots of this disease called – ‘Terrorism’ like doctors do to treat cancer. Waging war against any group or country is not a solution. If it was a solution there should have not been any terrorism after America’s attack on Iraq and Afghanistan. There is a parallel futile war against terrorism ever since its birth. It is in fact only growing in reach and magnitude.

So, what is the root cause? It’s all about money honey! There is a huge arms and ammunition business associated with this monster, as well as other side businesses like drugs trafficking. As we know that to run the cycle of any business the consumption of associated product is a must, so it is with this business as well. To run the arms and ammunition business(not to mention that most of this business is in hands of billionaires from USA and China) consumption of these arms and ammunition is a must. Now, where can these products be consumed?

The possible consumption areas are – war between countries which has huge consumption capacity and the control of other internal crimes. War between countries is not something easy to trigger due to various international pressures and the consumption for control of internal crimes is extremely low.

But this business needs something which has a good consumption capacity and is continuous in nature – and this is where this monster called terrorism comes in the picture.

So if we want a permanent cure for this disease should we not pressurise our government to take steps by which this business can be killed instead of pressurising the government for an attack on a group or country and killing thousands of lives and giving some more bloody money to the cycle of this monsterous business. Think!!!

PS: By the way where are the missing terrorists? As 40 were repoted at the time of Mumbai attack and of which 9 killed and one arrested. One ATS personnale Mr. Sajan Kapoor who was a captive of the terrorists in hotel Taj mentioned in an interview with the news channel ‘Aaj Tak’ that he counted 17 terrorists in Taj alone. Kuchh to hai jiski pardadari hai…

Posted by Rasheed Ahmad Usmani | Report as abusive
 

Lets see what the attackers wanted:
1.Indian disorder and chaos:
REsult:failure.Indians are united like never before Raj Thackrey and gang are nowhere to be seen,I was surprised to see sooo many muslims chant’Pakistan murdabad’ i.e they do not identify with FAILED PUNJABISTAN!

2.Economic problems:
REsult:failure.NOT ONE company has said it won’t continue to invest in India.Economic growth 7%+ this year inflation rapidly coming under control.

3.Communal backlash:
Result:failure.Not one riot(and I pray to god it stays that way!),no communal killing/roughing up of even one muslim.This has further emboldened a large section of muslims to come out and hit out at Pakistan.That’s the spirit guys!

What should we do:

1.Balochi+Pashtoon+economic war don’t do a grand sort of thing that unites the nation finish them slowly and patiently from within.Jai Hind!

Posted by Shantanu Chatterjee | Report as abusive
 

Hi

First of all, a day after a day of terror you have a wedding going on???? wots up with you indians??? Your fellow country people have ust been killed and you want to continue the net day by celebrating, you guys are worse than the USA. Also I do not agree with the mumbai attacks, but when you got indian security forces killing innocent kasmiris everyday & raping their women then i think india should get everything they deserve.

Pir

Posted by pir badshah | Report as abusive
 

These are sad days. War between nations are not uncommon. But whats unknown is how guerilla warfare targets unarmed innocent civilians. But are to remain as sitting ducks to these animals?
India is militarily strong enough to defend itself. The need of the hour is offensive defense. Pakistan wants to inflict regular wounds on India so that we bleed to death. Why are we giving them the courage to do so? ONE attack on US and afghanistan and Iraq have been raised to the ground. What offensive defence are we demonstrating? What response is India going to show to the world now? Can we afford to remain silent? Enough of Gandhigiri. US have killed scores of terrorists across the pakistan border and we havent bombed a single training camp in POK? WHY? WHo will answer my questions? WHo will answer India’s questions?

Posted by Pramod | Report as abusive
 

I am a Muslim but love my motherland India more than anything else. I squarely blame Pakistan for the terror unleashed in Mumbai. Well, Pakis are jealous about progress, India has made in every sphere. Look at Pakistan…at any time you will see their leaders with begging bowl in front of U.S., World bank, IMF etc., whereas India has progressed on its own and is referred as developed nation.

Look at the acquisitions made overseas by Indian companies……these bloody Pakis would never be able to match our prowess. We, Indian Muslims in India are much happier than even Muslims in Saudi. At least we can get to cast our votes. Check with any resident in Pak Occupies Kashmir, they will vouch that they want to be governed by India than bloody Pakis. I have experienced this when I visited Pak in 2004.

Pakistan has become too trivial state for India now, as India is ready to dictate to other bigger countries.

Lastly, long live India, my dear motherland.

Posted by Omar Mir | Report as abusive
 

The mumbai attack was the henious crime aganist humanity as well as indain democracy.The very objective behind it is to destabilize indias development strategy.
And the mastermind plus enforcement is it is now clear from evidence that pakistanis.May be the pakistan goverment is or not aware of this plot.But the plot originated from pakistan.And there is only one remedy and only solution to this cime is retalliation .
bring our army ,navy and airforce int attack…
once our general was just 16 km from one of major pakisatni city way back in 1970s.And again we have intervend to cut that country into piece.Still that country want to play with us.
only remedy is to conquer pakistan .And of course indian muslims are behind india .they also choose first time to attack the country.only frustruation is y the delay

Posted by sanju | Report as abusive
 

People wake up, haven’t u wondered why never do the terrorist attack the politicians houses, or big business men who have earned money by wrong ways. There was the parliament attack on Dec 13,2001 and notice that no politician was killed, instead six defense personnel including a gardener were killed. Why does this happen why is it that no matter what happens and where the attack takes place no terrorist attack on the politicians? If all the terrorist need is attention towards their motive of handing over Kashmir to Pakistan, wouldn’t it be easier if they caught hold of any politician and kill them and send their message. But no this is not what happens it is always common people dying. Does not this make you think there is always hands of the insiders and only blaming Pakistan for whatever happened in Mumbai is wrong.
So people wake up, it is time to find out the real cause and people behind it. It is not the time to play BLAME GAME but instead it is the time to figure out what all can we do from our end to stop this in the first place.
Try stopping bribe to get your work done which would at least stop the black money going into the politician’s pockets and they will have to work to get their salaries and then will know how people live their lives only with salaries and no extra money coming in from any where and then they would realize how hard common man works to earn it.
Another thing we can do is don’t vote at all, and encourage anyone and everyone around you to do it because it is one of the power we have and that is how we will be able to make a difference.
we do not have responsibilities only towards our closed ones but have a major role to play as Indians because that is what we are first and the rest follows.
Do not forget about people who have died in the attacks and always remind the government in some way or the other about it and force them to punish the culprits, find out the root cause and force behind it.

Posted by Sadhana | Report as abusive
 

In the modern world no body will win the war. Unvaluable life and porperty damages occur. During Sadam era 95% people live was safe During ban on his country after kwait invation. He never beg any food and medicine from other countries. After US take over there is no safe guard against citizen of Iraq & US citizens everyday people killed in landmine & women,girls raped. Most of the women refugees become prostitutes. Im not support the culprit Sadam. Now the Mumbai attack is aim on India’s econmic attack because India is booming now. If they create war between India & Pakistan the country’s economy will down when the coutries spend on the war. O people of the world please think and analyse the truth. You can find the answer who is the Culprit?

 

Pakistan has a very little time to act. Now.
Its now or never .
Let’s hope we learn from Mumbai experience. Even ordinary Pakistanis would have felt sad on Mumbai terror attacks

please visit

http://www.yousob.wordpress.com

 

Omar Mir, sorry to read your crap. You may be an Indian muslim but the kind of those who regard no reluctance and shame in giving their sisters and daughters in nikah to hindus. The way you have painted a rosy picture of your country and the so-called status of muslims in India, leave the readers in no doubt as to the hight of the degree of soul searching you need to be a called a true muslim and a true human being as well.What would you say abt the miseries of thousands innocent Kashmiris whose blood is on the bloodiest indian troops. where your conscience goes when you hear thounsand of our kashmiri sisters and mothers whose honour and izzat became a victim to the beghairat sina of your socalled secular country. How the hell you could compare yourself with honoured saudis when you are not allowed by hindu fanatics to follow SUNNAE IBRAHIMI. you are considered as a second class citizen and still you are dancing to the indian tunes is in vain. the history shows that hindus tradittionally are not trustworthy. they have been and will continue to be betraying you and yuor religion compelled by their particualt nature.Gujraat maasacre isn’t a forgotten story. By the way you indians claim of being an emerging power. The world is well informed and feel reluctant to subscribe to your selfprocalimation especially when the number of childs in your contries are dying of hunger and this death toll for your info is many times greater than those of any poverty striken african nations. plz get to senses and dont get out of propprtions. live and let others with peace. your inclination to follow the footsteps of your lords in the west will lead you to nowhere but to further destruction and desparation that is very dangerous to not only this region but to the whole world.

Posted by Advisor On Sanity | Report as abusive
 

America take aggresive not a defensive steps or not to give any further comment only see what India do.

 

Mumbai attack was a sad incident as we all know and if i talk about the president Barack Obama then he is a genius person so his plan about terrorism will effective, we hope he will take care of all these matters.

Posted by Angela Christopher | Report as abusive
 

I think we people only blaiming each other.The recent terror attack a very sad and shock incident. we need to do something collaborately for resist the any future attack.it was said that behind the attack there was the hand of Lashker-e-taiba which was set up by spy agency or ISI. Let’s something learn from the terror experience.

Posted by Prabha Mohanty | Report as abusive
 

Start analysing the root cause. The issue is Kashmir. All the terrorism that happens in India starts from there. So our poiticians should think about how to solve that issue peacefully.

Posted by rajan | Report as abusive
 

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